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2009: NYT exposed shooter's hippie collectivist "Zeitgeist Movement"
NYT ^ | 3/16/2009 | Alan Feuer

Posted on 01/12/2011 10:09:19 AM PST by Notwithstanding

"Two hours into Z-Day, the educational forum associated with the online movie “Zeitgeist,” Peter Joseph, the film’s director and the evening’s M.C., stepped out from behind his lectern and walked forward earnestly on the stage... The evening, which began at 7 with a two-hour critique of monetary economics, became by midnight a utopian presentation of a money-free and computer-driven vision of the future, a wholesale reimagination of civilization, as if Karl Marx and Carl Sagan had hired John Lennon from his “Imagine” days to do no less than redesign the underlying structures of planetary life..."

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Breaking News; Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: documentary; hollywood; loughner; troofer; truther; zeitgeist
In the buried ABC News interview of shooter's friend:

"I really think that this 'Zeitgeist' documentary had a profound impact on Jared's mindset and how he viewed that world that he lives in," Osler said. Osler also said that Loughner's favorite quote was "Out of chaos breathes creation."

http://abcnews.go.com/US/tucson-shooting-friend-jared-loughner-speaks-motive-alleged/story?id=12597092&page=2

1 posted on 01/12/2011 10:09:22 AM PST by Notwithstanding
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To: Admin Moderator

Please fix main link:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/17/nyregion/17zeitgeist.html?_r=1


2 posted on 01/12/2011 10:11:43 AM PST by Notwithstanding
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To: Notwithstanding

Companion ABC link:

http://abcnews.go.com/US/tucson-shooting-friend-jared-loughner-speaks-motive-alleged/story?id=12597092&page=2


3 posted on 01/12/2011 10:13:06 AM PST by Notwithstanding
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To: Notwithstanding

Wonder what influence Rush Limbaugh and Sarah Palin had on the Zeitgeist documentary........


4 posted on 01/12/2011 10:22:21 AM PST by ohioWfan (Proud Mom of a Bronze Star winner!)
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To: Notwithstanding

“...as if Karl Marx and Carl Sagan had hired John Lennon from his “Imagine” days to do no less than redesign the underlying structures of planetary life...”

IMHO, if John Lennon were alive today, he’d be more socially conservative than most people would like to believe. He might even be listening to and enjoying the EIB and Rush Limbaugh.


5 posted on 01/12/2011 10:27:01 AM PST by equaviator ("There's a (datum) plane on the horizon coming in...see it?")
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To: Notwithstanding; STARWISE; maggief; onyx; SE Mom; hoosiermama; Liz; Nachum

Good find!

PING!


6 posted on 01/12/2011 10:28:24 AM PST by penelopesire (Let The Congressional Hearings Begin!)
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To: Notwithstanding

Loughner had a messed-up mind looking for an obsession.

Had it not been this, it would have been something else.


7 posted on 01/12/2011 10:28:57 AM PST by Jedidah
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To: Notwithstanding

At the Zeitgeist website it mentions The Venus Project, a project about “sustainable communities.” Isn’t that Van Jones and the Progressives shtick? Why yes it is. No wonder the Progs were blowing smoke and fire.


8 posted on 01/12/2011 10:29:35 AM PST by aphid (Only dead fish go with the flow)
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To: ohioWfan

judging by everything we heard so far this guy is a neocon, tea-party member, conspiracy theorist, who reads communist manifesto and burns american flags.
makes sense to me /s


9 posted on 01/12/2011 10:33:15 AM PST by alexbg
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To: alexbg

All he is now is a murderer. No more, no less....maybe more but certainly nothing less than a murderer.


10 posted on 01/12/2011 10:37:04 AM PST by equaviator ("There's a (datum) plane on the horizon coming in...see it?")
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To: Notwithstanding

Rush was reporting he was a big fan of Donnie Darko and a A Scanner Darkly which are both very trippy movies and to someone a little nutty could be easily taken out of context....

Is it Hollywoods fault????


11 posted on 01/12/2011 10:41:50 AM PST by GSP.FAN (Some days, it's not even worth chewing through the restraints.)
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To: Notwithstanding
Zeitgeist: The Movie was a softener. Zeitgeist: Addendum is where the meat is. It depicts the obvious failure and corruption of the Federal Reserve in the first half, and its inevitable collapse, and leads it in to the second half as a reason and opportunity to bring about Agenda 21 and the New World Religion.



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12 posted on 01/12/2011 10:41:54 AM PST by wheresmyusa (FTUN)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER; Domestic Church; rightly_dividing; combat_boots; bronxville; cripplecreek; Gipper08; ..

i already posted too many graphics A21 ping (#12)


13 posted on 01/12/2011 10:47:02 AM PST by wheresmyusa (FTUN)
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To: alexbg
LOL In reality he's nothing more than a typical “nut” case, that society has turned lose on unsuspecting citizens.

Visit a homeless shelter, they're a dime a dozen...Hospital, jails, family don't have the tools to deal with them. SO they are turned loose literally on the streets. Being passed around the above like a hot potato, they self medicate with drugs and alcohol making their illness worse.

If the social worker does go through the mountain of paper work, the judge, family, leo, hospital etc are not required to “help” the individual....after all the legislature says they are an adult and their rights must not be infringed upon.

Speaking as the mother of a PAST social worker who worked with the homeless mentally ill and was targeted by a paranoid/schizophrenic....At least the police warned him to get out of town, the guy had an automatic gun and was hunting for him and probably saved his life....This entire episode is a symptom of the breakdown of our mental health system....The government's agency is not functioning

14 posted on 01/12/2011 10:48:31 AM PST by hoosiermama (ONLY DEAD FISH GO WITH THE FLOW.......I am swimming with Sarahcudah! Sarah has read the tealeaves.)
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To: GSP.FAN

“Is it Hollywoods fault????”

I think the future will reflect that it’s his environment from birth to now that is at fault. His parents provided, and still provide that environment, and all they have done is attempt to cover up the results of that environment.

Sheriff Dupnik may have been involved as part of the environment, but apparently is somehow involved in the attempt to cover up of the results of that environment.

Time will tell as this story unfolds.


15 posted on 01/12/2011 10:58:30 AM PST by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists, call 'em what you will, they ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: hoosiermama
You mean Like this guy?

Or a crazy street bum Like Johnathan Archer

16 posted on 01/12/2011 11:31:22 AM PST by KC_Lion (Lord help our Armed Service members that they not become pawns in Hussein's quest to destroy America)
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To: aphid

“No wonder the Progs were blowing smoke and fire.”


Yepper. They needed to get out front in a hurry on this one. He is, after all, one of their own. Solution? Get the MSM on board fast, to blame his sickeness, on conservative rhetoric. These people are pure evil.


17 posted on 01/12/2011 11:35:00 AM PST by takenoprisoner (Repeal the 16th amendment . Send Islam packing to their homeland.)
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To: Notwithstanding; wheresmyusa

Many of the ideas he had were right on target and all too real. (the Fed, the UN, police states, etc.) Trouble is, he was too mentally deranged to deal with his emotions on these subjects.

IMO, too much info sent him over the edge and will likely cause others to do the same.


18 posted on 01/12/2011 11:38:42 AM PST by wolfcreek (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lsd7DGqVSIc)
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To: wolfcreek
"he was too mentally deranged to deal with his emotions on these subjects"

Indeed. Ironically, Representative Giffords was a major proponent of sustainable development. Loughner knew so little about her that he didn't know she was an advocate for the very utopian concepts he so "dreamed" of. Odds are, Rep. Giffords doesn't understand what exactly she's advocating either.
19 posted on 01/12/2011 12:16:11 PM PST by wheresmyusa (FTUN)
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To: wheresmyusa
"Ironically, Representative Giffords was IS a major proponent of sustainable development."
20 posted on 01/12/2011 12:20:12 PM PST by wheresmyusa (FTUN)
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To: wheresmyusa
It more and more seems that Loughner acted against Giffords for personal reasons and politics were not the driver.

Based on his behavior since Saturday, it seems reasonable to assume that he did this for attention and status. The whole world is talking about this guy and he loves it.

21 posted on 01/12/2011 12:22:43 PM PST by rdcbn
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To: Jedidah
Loughner had a messed-up mind looking for an obsession.

Had it not been this, it would have been something else.

Absolutely agree. This nutbar is an unmedicated paranoid schizophrenic. His fragmented mind could have seized upon anything from which to construct his delusions, from crows to electrical power plants and anything between. Hollywood is no more to blame than talk radio is to blame. Trying to make it so will make "our" side as ridiculous as its accusers.

22 posted on 01/12/2011 12:33:23 PM PST by lonevoice (Where the Welfare State is on the march, the Police State is not far behind)
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To: rockinqsranch

Actually Rush asked in his sarcastic tone how come nobody is blaming Hollywood....
The Sheriff is hiding something and this deflection thing blaming Rush will backfire....
This time next week the media will be doing a lot of back pedaling,notice how the tea partier meme has been dropped after his fav books and movies surfaced...


23 posted on 01/12/2011 12:36:20 PM PST by GSP.FAN (Some days, it's not even worth chewing through the restraints.)
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To: rdcbn; wolfcreek
"It more and more seems that Loughner acted against Giffords for personal reasons and politics were not the driver.

Based on his behavior since Saturday, it seems reasonable to assume that he did this for attention and status. The whole world is talking about this guy and he loves it."


I'm in total agreement with you. I have to say though, i think there's an eco-freak component to this that might be getting overlooked. I've been wrong before but....



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24 posted on 01/12/2011 12:39:47 PM PST by wheresmyusa (FTUN)
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To: Notwithstanding

One of my in-laws, a guy who espouses to be conservative, gave me a free copy of Zeitgeist, the movie.

It started off with some inane gibberish philosophy which sounded profound, but it was almost impossible to tell what they were trying to communicate.

Then it veered into an anti-religion diatribe complete with voice from George Carlin, the militant atheist. For example, the movie claimed that many religions equate the Sun and the Son of God. As if the words “son” and “sun” sounded the same in ancient Egyptian! The level of stupidity and ignorance that backed such a claim left me LMAO!

Then they launched into 9/11 Truther BS.

In summary, I began to question the intelligence of the guy who gave me the movie. I watched it to the end just to make a list of the nonsensical claims and themes.

Only the mentally ill could take such a movie seriously.


25 posted on 01/12/2011 1:14:31 PM PST by darth
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To: darth

loughner was a 9/11 truther.

DU hosts a 9/11 forum.

FR does not.

There’s your sign.


26 posted on 01/12/2011 2:09:19 PM PST by Crim (The Obama Doctrine : A doctrine based on complete ignorance,applied with extreme incompetence..)
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To: equaviator

“IMHO, if John Lennon were alive today, he’d be more socially conservative than most people would like to believe. He might even be listening to and enjoying the EIB and Rush Limbaugh”

One of the last public acts Lennon did before his murder was to provide his personal money to the NYPD in order to buy bulletproof vests. Fom Lindsay to the election of Giuliani NYC had become a sewer with crime mimicking the fictional Gotham City of Batman.His generosity was greatly appreciated by the men and women of the NYPD


27 posted on 01/12/2011 2:27:50 PM PST by xkaydet65
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To: alexbg
Hey.......I know a lot of my fellow Tea Partiers who live by the Communist Manifesto.

Don't you?? ;)

28 posted on 01/12/2011 2:55:27 PM PST by ohioWfan (Proud Mom of a Bronze Star winner!)
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To: equaviator

John Lennon was a lousy father to Julian and was controlled by Yoko.


29 posted on 01/12/2011 3:22:16 PM PST by Frantzie (Slaves do not have freedom only the illusion of freedom & their cable TV to drool at)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Arthur Wildfire! March; Berosus; bigheadfred; ColdOne; ...
In the buried ABC News interview of shooter's friend: "I really think that this 'Zeitgeist' documentary had a profound impact on Jared's mindset and how he viewed that world that he lives in," Osler said. Osler also said that Loughner's favorite quote was "Out of chaos breathes creation."
Thanks Notwithstanding.


30 posted on 01/12/2011 3:26:34 PM PST by SunkenCiv (The 2nd Amendment follows right behind the 1st because some people are hard of hearing.)
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To: Notwithstanding

I’ve seen portions of this documentary, and “Zeitgeis” is definately for conspiracy nuts, as well as anti-God/Anti-Christian left/right radical libertarians.


31 posted on 01/12/2011 4:36:06 PM PST by JSDude1 (December 18, 2010 the Day the radical homosexual left declared WAR on the US Military.)
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To: equaviator

Some say that Jesus even changed his heart before he died, I hope so!~


32 posted on 01/12/2011 4:37:17 PM PST by JSDude1 (December 18, 2010 the Day the radical homosexual left declared WAR on the US Military.)
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To: darth

A yep!


33 posted on 01/12/2011 4:40:42 PM PST by JSDude1 (December 18, 2010 the Day the radical homosexual left declared WAR on the US Military.)
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To: Notwithstanding

Thanks for this link. To hear the leftist media report, one would think the Zeitgeist movement is some paleoconservative, bring back the gold standard, anti Federal Reserve, Ron Paul supporting movement. In reality it is just repackaged Marxism.


34 posted on 01/12/2011 6:17:58 PM PST by magellan
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To: magellan

Yes, all the more reason to emphasize that the lamestream lib media are the sources:

1. ABC says he was obsessed with Zeitgeist.

2. NYT says Zeitgeist is psychadelic atheistic Marxism.


35 posted on 01/12/2011 7:06:33 PM PST by Notwithstanding
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To: magellan

Yes, all the more reason to emphasize that the lamestream lib media are the sources:

1. ABC says he was obsessed with Zeitgeist.

2. NYT says Zeitgeist is psychadelic atheistic Marxism.


36 posted on 01/12/2011 7:08:55 PM PST by Notwithstanding
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To: wheresmyusa

I still really wonder about the parents. They also had this evil alter in their backyard. Fox mentioned the police had been called to their house several times apparently because of something to do with them. The neighbors have also said some strange things about the family. The only thing released about them is the written statement. Most of the time the family of a killer who truly feels bad makes a public statement to the cameras. Who knows that the written statement was really made by them and not just put out by the lawyers as positive PR. They may be just fine but nothing so far has convinced me and there are questions.


37 posted on 01/13/2011 1:16:14 AM PST by Bellflower (All meaning is in The LORD.)
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To: darth

“Only the mentally ill could take such a movie seriously.”

It must be a big hit with the communists at Daily KOS and the Huff post.


38 posted on 01/13/2011 3:10:23 AM PST by PA-RIVER
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To: Notwithstanding
So much for the "we can't know his motive" motif. It's all too similar to the responses of the 9-11 attacks when every talking head or pundit claimed that nobody could have predicted that aircraft would have been flown into the Twin Towers. Yet as many of us later learned there were enough red flags (Arabic men learning to fly) and previous incidents (the Algerians who wanted to crash into the Eiffel Tower...1994 and WTC/I happened in 1993) to raise concerns. Besides, there was no need to "predict" what might happen as the possibility had existed for over a decade...
(Between Early 1984 and October 1985): Office of Special Planning Studies Vulnerability of WTC to Terrorist Attack
However, O’Sullivan consults “one of the trade center’s original structural engineers, Les Robertson, on whether the towers would collapse because of a bomb or a collision with a slow-moving airplane.”
The plane was moving fast so nobody could have predicted that. /sarcasm

And now history seems to be repeating itself all over again with a very similar drumbeat. And as more information is discovered it seems that the drums are once again beating out some familiar tunes..."More of the Same" and "Believe Us, He's Crazy".
We can know his reasons and motivations and unless he is killed before he goes to trial all we, the American public, have to do is wait for the trial testimony to come out. (of course, that is based on getting a prosecuting attorney who is willing to get to the bottom of it all and not just brush it under the rug)

The media, pundits and government mouthpieces ought to remember that Americans know the difference between urine and rainfall running down their backs.

39 posted on 01/13/2011 5:59:01 AM PST by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Notwithstanding
evidence to support my position...

Prepared text of Obama's speech
For the truth is that none of us can know exactly what triggered this vicious attack.


The Beat Goes On

40 posted on 01/13/2011 7:32:40 AM PST by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: wheresmyusa

Miracle Grow drove him to kill !


41 posted on 01/13/2011 8:01:41 AM PST by WOBBLY BOB ( "I don't want the majority if we don't stand for something"- Jim Demint)
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To: Notwithstanding
Just one more reply and I'll leave your thread alone...

Obama's Fort Hood memorial speech
This is the fact that makes the tragedy even more painful, even more incomprehensible.

Nidal Hasan insane
Where was the insistence and adamant affirmation from the MSM that Hasan was insane or crazy? Hmmmmmm...

42 posted on 01/13/2011 8:05:06 AM PST by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: WOBBLY BOB

Which resulted in an immediate weed killer RoundUp.


43 posted on 01/13/2011 3:04:39 PM PST by wheresmyusa (FTUN)
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