Posted on 01/13/2011 2:23:49 PM PST by bushpilot1
I just called the court. There is no report yet of what came out of today’s confrences. I am told to call back after 10am on Tuesday as Monday is a holiday. Very nice lady on the phone by the way.
Likely so. SCOTUS has their heads in the sand. Now the line of defense against the usurper is to get states to enact ballot eligibility laws for presidential candidates to prove they are natural born citizens for 2012.
There's no question that Vattel work MAINLY involved international law ... but in his work, he also mentioned specific nations, such as acknowledging that England naturalizes aliens born in its dominions as so-called natural born subjects. The context of the SCOTUS quote was in reference to the application of the Laws of Nations on U.S. laws and SCOTUS decisions. That's why what you quoted said Vattel's writings were "deeply influential in terms of U.S. law." Your quote supported what bushpilot originally wrote.
It was according to the Supreme Court. Justice Waite quoted Vattel's definition almost verbatim in Minor v. Happersett, which was then quoted and AFFIRMED in U.S. v Wong Kim Ark.
Blackstone's interpretation of that phrase was different and most likely more common at the time. Put Vattel's book and Blackstone's before a court and Blackstone would almost surely convince the judges.
I'm pretty sure Blackstone addressed the definition of 'natural born subjects' not natural born citizens, unlike Vattel.
Yes, I expect the list by Tuesday.
No Obot, like this.
You are dumb even after more than 2 years of trolling.
Any birth certificate from 1961 that the Dunhams generated as witnesses to OBama's birth outside of official channels would state it. There would be no Hawaiian hospital and no delivery doctor on the birth certificate. Witnesses of a birth can make a statement in accordance with Hawaiian law for the baby to receive a Hawaiian birth certificate.
It would not be much more different than one below. And as far as I know, the Obama birth certificate seen below is real and is certainly just as good as your propagandist Roberta Gibb's Obama COLB that he gave to the DailyKOS-KooKs.com that was put on the Internet.
Brilliant. Just ignore a your own verbatim quote and rewrite it to fit your misunderstanding of it.
You are dumb even after more than 2 years of trolling.
Any birth certificate from 1961 that the Dunhams generated as witnesses to OBama’s birth outside of official channels would state it. There would be no Hawaiian hospital and no delivery doctor on the birth certificate. Witnesses of a birth can make a statement in accordance with Hawaiian law for the baby to receive a Hawaiian birth certificate.
It would not be much more different than one below. And as far as I know, the Obama birth certificate seen below is real and is certainly just as good as your propagandist Roberta Gibb’s Obama COLB that he gave to the DailyKOS-KooKs.com that was put on the Internet.
Madelyn Dunham was a Vice President of the Bank of Hawaii, a simple exchange of a loan for a birth certificate would not be that difficult to arrange and it would explain why for three years now, officials of the state have continued to attest to a valid birth record being on file for Obama at the Department of Health.
Take a deep breath, Birtherbot, let it out and consider for a second that perhaps the Republican officials in Hawaii weren’t lying or covering up, they were accurately reporting something that might have been done 50 years ago.
Now all State legislatures need to learn this and follow it.
Oh come now. That's even far-out even for a clown like you. A fake birth certificate inserted via bribe by the Dunhams into systems back in 1961. It is more credible that Obama's BC UnfactChecked.com registration number was stolen from another Hawaiian birth document to reflect the out of sequence births and I have no doubt the Nordyke twins have legit BCs. Even if your supposition was correct, Obama better hope that it is ironclad or your precious Obama presidential kingdom would end up on the trash heap of history.
Take a deep breath, Birtherbot, let it out and consider for a second that perhaps the Republican officials in Hawaii weren’t lying or covering up, they were accurately reporting something that might have been done 50 years ago.
I have no trouble breathing Obot. My heart beats slow at rest since I'm in excellent shape. As I said before in the last post to you, A witness to a non-hospital birth is a very good explanation and/or a late and incomplete Obama birth certificate (possibly a combination thereof ) are the likely explanations....and not what you are purporting.
Oh come now. That’s even far-out even for a clown like you. A fake birth certificate inserted via bribe by the Dunhams into systems back in 1961. It is more credible that Obama’s BC UnfactChecked.com registration number was stolen from another Hawaiian birth document to reflect the out of sequence births and I have no doubt the Nordyke twins have legit BCs. Even if your supposition was correct, Obama better hope that it is ironclad or your precious Obama presidential kingdom would end up on the trash heap of history.
You like your theory, I like mine.
Then why did you bring it up Obot? Likely perhaps not since your delusional AberCommie shut his fat trap and is now refusing to answer questions about Obama's birth certificate, and after he said it was such a high priority for his administration. LoL. The dingbat Crummy Commie likely has his good old Obama past reflections shattered by reality. He was likely told Hawaii cannot prove Obama was born there.
Thanks for sharing what shape you’re in but unfortunately, I don’t swing that way so your braggadocio is lost on me.
Earth to Obot, it was you who brought it up. You said "take a deep breath." And I said there was no need and gave you the reason. No bragging - just a factual answer. As for your comment about "swinging that way." You should keep that a secret to yourself on FR or your future to be zotted may come faster than you think.
You like your theory, I like mine.
Yours is a Moonbat theory. You have a body of evidence to support that theory of yours...or any credible evidence for that matter?
Placemark.
“In arguing for ratification, John Jay subsequently characterized it as “of high importance to the peace of America that she observe the law of nations.” The Federalist No. 3, at 13 (P. Ford ed. 1898).”
“Accord Dickinson, The Law of Nations as Part of the National Law of the United States, 101 U.Pa.L.Rev. 26, 55-56 (1952) (”the Constitution was framed in firm reliance upon the premise, frequently articulated, that ... the Law of Nations in all its aspects familiar to men of learning in the eighteenth century was accepted by the framers, expressly or implicitly, as a constituent part of the national law of the United States”).” Judge Bork
http://scholar.google.com/scholar_case?case=343802476106303895&q=Vattel&hl=en&num=100&as_sdt=2006
In the course of their rebellion, the American colonies were quick to assure the world that the “law of nations [would be] strictly observed.” 14 J. Cont.Cong. 635 (1779). Judge Bork
We think it clear beyond quibble that since the founding of our nation adherence to the law of nations, and most particularly that branch of the law that demands security for the persons and respect for the dignity and peace of foreign emissaries, has been regarded as a fundamental and compelling national interest.
It is also clear that the founders, who explicitly gave Congress the power to enforce adherence to the standards of the law of nations, which they understood well, saw no incompatibility between this national interest and any guaranteed individual freedom. Judge Bork
Finzer v. Barry, 798 F. 2d 1450 - Court of Appeals, Dist. of Columbia Circuit 1986
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