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Liberal groups worry president will cut deal on 'crown jewel' Social Security
The Hill ^ | 1/13/11 | Alexander Bolton

Posted on 01/14/2011 5:20:58 AM PST by markomalley

A broad coalition of labor unions and liberal groups has launched an intense lobbying campaign directed at the White House in advance of President Obama’s State of the Union address.

These groups are concerned about Obama’s taciturn response to the proposal by his fiscal commission to gradually increase the retirement age and use a different calculation for cost-of-living adjustments.

Coalition partners held a conference call with liberal bloggers on Thursday afternoon to expand the public-relations campaign directed at the White House and Congress.

The Strengthen Social Security Campaign includes more than 200 member groups such as the AFL-CIO, AFSCME, SEIU, Campaign for America’s Future, National Women’s Law Center, USAction and MoveOn.org.

Many of the groups were members of the Health Care for America Now campaign that worked alongside Obama to push healthcare reform through Congress.

Now that Republicans control the House and Obama is facing reelection, the political dynamic is different and liberal groups fear the president might be willing to cut a deal on Social Security. Labor unions and liberal groups worry Obama could endorse a boost in the retirement age or a change in cost-of-living adjustments when he discusses strategies for reducing the federal deficit later this month.


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TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bhosotu; entitlements; socialsecurity; unions

1 posted on 01/14/2011 5:21:00 AM PST by markomalley
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To: markomalley

Why would the unions care? Their member have big fat pensions...........that are going broke?................


2 posted on 01/14/2011 5:22:45 AM PST by Red Badger (Whenever these vermin call you an 'idiot', you can be sure that you are doing something right.)
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To: markomalley

The left should not fear about President Obama doing anything to Social Security.

Ponzi schemes collapse on their own.


3 posted on 01/14/2011 5:23:38 AM PST by Le Chien Rouge
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To: markomalley

They SHOULD worry.

It’s pretty clear to me that he hates useless old white people who are still around and collecting benefits.

I’d worry if I were them, too.


4 posted on 01/14/2011 5:25:11 AM PST by Daisyjane69 (Michael Reagan: "Welcome back, Dad, even if you're wearing a dress and bearing children this time)
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To: markomalley
use a different calculation for cost-of-living adjustments.

No cost of living increase yet under the zero administration's 2 years. How do you go downward from that?

Don't tell me, I already know.

5 posted on 01/14/2011 5:25:11 AM PST by Graybeard58 (Don't tell Obama what comes after a trillion)
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To: Le Chien Rouge

I’ve come to the conclusion that (sheeperal) libs must believe in perpetual motion machines - things that provide their own energy and funding perpetually without input,

because only such a belief could explain their vehement defense of not doing anything to plan for the eventuality of the machine coming to a halt.


6 posted on 01/14/2011 5:26:26 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a (de)humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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To: markomalley

I would be willing to opt out of collecting Social Security and they can keep everythig I put into it- if I can stop making payments into it right now.

Medicare and Medicaid too. There is not going to be any health care when I reach that age (at this rate) anyway... so screw it. I am going to prepare a hole in the ground and just tell my family to shovel me into it when I am too old to take care of myself.

I DO NOT want to be in a hospital room connected to IV’s at several thousand dollars per day until I die anyway


7 posted on 01/14/2011 5:26:55 AM PST by Mr. K
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To: Red Badger

The Unions believe the government should control every aspect of people’s lives. Social Security is a big piece of the totalitarian puzzle. Obamacare and CapnTrade are the other two big pieces. Once the Government is all-powerful, it can mandate that ALL JOBS IN THE US ARE UNIONIZED!!! Victory for the communists. End of America.


8 posted on 01/14/2011 5:28:41 AM PST by SC_Pete
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To: markomalley

Why is the left REALLY concerned about Social Security? Are they really concerned about Republicans cutting off benefits to the elderly (which isn’t going to happen), OR are they worried about losing their control over individuals? After all, if We the People seize our right back to save for our own retirement, then we won’t be beholden to Medicare and Social Security in our golden years.

My FRiends, it’s all about control.


9 posted on 01/14/2011 5:29:46 AM PST by CitizenUSA (Coming soon! DADT...for Christians.)
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To: Mr. K

***I DO NOT want to be in a hospital room connected to IV’s at several thousand dollars per day until I die anyway***

Tell us about it when you get to old age.


10 posted on 01/14/2011 5:36:33 AM PST by kitkat ( Obama: Hype and Chains.)
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To: markomalley

My worry in this is that the president and democrats will try to goad Republicans into taking the lead on “cutting SS & Medicare”. And then when Republicans do take the lead, dems will villify them for it. I hope the Republicans recognize it as a trap. The Republicans should take their clue from the presidents State of the Union speech and his budget. If he encorages SS & Medicare cuts then they can get involved. If not, then they should work to reduce discretionary spending.

Remember, the democrats and public unions get a lot of power from discretionary spending of our tax dollars. If Republicans work to cut entitlements and lose their majority doing so, it will just give the democrats the opportunity to spend more money on the discretionary spending that entrenches them in power.

Avoid the trap, Republicans...let 0bama take the lead on entitlment cuts. Let him tour the country (like Bush did with his SS proposal) trying to encourage everyone to agree to “his proposal” before you jump on the bandwagon.


11 posted on 01/14/2011 5:38:02 AM PST by NRG1973
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To: markomalley

In the meantime unions are killing jobs and state budgets with their overgenerous benefits and perks.


12 posted on 01/14/2011 5:43:29 AM PST by windsorknot
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To: CitizenUSA

Yes it’s control. The more you depend on SS money, the more you will be held in check.

Here’s a specific example - Obamacare.

Suppose you don’t like the individual mandate. Currently, even though you’d be fined, they will not open a collections case on you (though this will likely change in the future).

In this case they plan to capture your funds by taking it out of your refund.

So let’s say you set your withholdings such that you owe at the end of the year instead of getting a refund.

Well, the organization that would take it out of your refund, the Financial Management Service, ALSO can take money out of your Social Security checks.

Take that you individual mandate scofflaws!


13 posted on 01/14/2011 5:46:17 AM PST by fruser1
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To: MrB
their vehement defense of not doing anything

Where SocSec and Medicare are concerned there are plenty of Freepers who feel pretty much the same way.

They have a sense of entitlement that would do any welfare queen proud.

I have locked horns with so many of them here over the last year, I'm convinced that we will run these programs right into the ground before we cut one penny of the benefits to the "IT'S MY MONEY AND THE GOVERNMENT PROMISED IT TO ME!!!" crowd.

14 posted on 01/14/2011 5:52:59 AM PST by Notary Sojac ("Goldman Sachs" is to "US economy" as "lamprey" is to "lake trout")
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To: Notary Sojac

Yeah, like when they were paying it in, they didn’t know it was a Ponzi scheme destined for collapse and that the promises made were of no value.

They just want to get “their” part of it out before it collapses.


15 posted on 01/14/2011 5:59:16 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a (de)humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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To: Red Badger

Don’t non-government unions people get a pension and SSI? they want their pocket change too!


16 posted on 01/14/2011 6:00:53 AM PST by King Moonracer (Bad lighting and cheap fabric, that's how you sell clothing.....)
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To: King Moonracer

Correcto mundo...........


17 posted on 01/14/2011 6:01:57 AM PST by Red Badger (Whenever these vermin call you an 'idiot', you can be sure that you are doing something right.)
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To: Notary Sojac

Notary: “They have a sense of entitlement that would do any welfare queen proud.”

That’s not really a fair comparison, because a welfare queen has not paid into the system for decades. I’m not saying you’re entirely wrong about Social Security, but let’s not make unfair comparisons between welfare recipients and retirees on Social Security.


18 posted on 01/14/2011 6:18:59 AM PST by CitizenUSA (Coming soon! DADT...for Christians.)
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To: markomalley; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; stephenjohnbanker; DoughtyOne; calcowgirl; Gilbo_3; ...
RE :”Now that Republicans control the House and Obama is facing reelection, the political dynamic is different and liberal groups fear the president might be willing to cut a deal on Social Security. Labor unions and liberal groups worry Obama could endorse a boost in the retirement age or a change in cost-of-living adjustments when he discusses strategies for reducing the federal deficit later this month.

And what would Republicans get out of this ‘deal’? Or worse yet, what (else) would they have to give in on to get it?

Republicans walking the plank on SS right now sounds like a bad idea. As with tax cuts ‘for the rich’ Obama would claim that Republicans forced him to cut Social Security.

19 posted on 01/14/2011 6:22:13 AM PST by sickoflibs ("It's not the taxes, the redistribution is the federal spending=tax delayed")
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To: CitizenUSA

That is a valid point.


20 posted on 01/14/2011 6:24:06 AM PST by rlmorel ("If this doesn't light your fire, Men, the pilot light's out!"...Coach Ed Bolin)
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To: King Moonracer

SSI is where you’ll see the majority of the fraud going on.

Parents with “crazy children”.
Libs living in their mom’s basement collecting “disability”, etc.


21 posted on 01/14/2011 6:24:35 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a (de)humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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To: MrB

That parents with crazy children thing is the new welfare. Put your kids on ritalin and get $900 a month... 3 or 4 kids, and why bother getting off the couch.


22 posted on 01/14/2011 6:30:38 AM PST by King Moonracer (Bad lighting and cheap fabric, that's how you sell clothing.....)
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To: MrB

That parents with crazy children thing is the new welfare. Put your kids on ritalin and get $900 a month... 3 or 4 kids, and why bother getting off the couch.


23 posted on 01/14/2011 6:30:43 AM PST by King Moonracer (Bad lighting and cheap fabric, that's how you sell clothing.....)
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To: markomalley; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; stephenjohnbanker; DoughtyOne; calcowgirl; Gilbo_3; ...

And how can Obama support these measures to ‘cut the deficit’ anyway when Democrats are all claiming that SS is fully funded the next 10 years using the SS trust fund money ?

Jim DeMint recently made a similar claim but said that that money was borrowed but still owed by the govmnt (future taxpayer???) to the future SS retirees (??)

NEWS ALERT! THERE IS NO TRUST FUND! FICA TAXES WERE ALL SPENT UPON RECEIPT. THAT IS WHAT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT DOES AND THAT THE VOTERS DEMAND, EVERY DIME SPEND AND MORE!


24 posted on 01/14/2011 6:30:58 AM PST by sickoflibs ("It's not the taxes, the redistribution is the federal spending=tax delayed")
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To: sickoflibs

25 posted on 01/14/2011 6:33:15 AM PST by Liz (There's a new definition of bipartisanship in Washington -- it's called "former member.")
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To: markomalley

They need to do something about the system or it will collapse.

Nevertheless, the GOP had better be VERY CAREFUL about how they deal with that viper in the Oval Office. He’s a REAL political animal. Don’t put it past him to shift the blame for any adverse fall-out to the GOP and then say he was forced by them to do it, later on in a political campaing.

Any changes to SS need to have the fingerprints of BOTH political parties all over it so any public resentment is equally distributed.


26 posted on 01/14/2011 6:34:40 AM PST by ZULU (No nation which tried to tolerate Islam escaped Islamization.)
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To: CitizenUSA
Well said. A sense of entitlement is not an apt description of people wanting their own money back. I think social security should be scrapped as it's a socialistic ponzi scheme, but there would have to be some effort to return peoples money.
27 posted on 01/14/2011 6:34:41 AM PST by Durus (The distance between us has grown, and I struggle to quantify it. Windage adjustments are done.)
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28 posted on 01/14/2011 6:37:30 AM PST by Liz (There's a new definition of bipartisanship in Washington -- it's called "former member.")
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To: MrB

Yep. There are now states where people can now receive a far larger income through welfare, unemployment, SSI, food cards and rent subsidies than they could ever possibly make by working for a living, especially after taxes.


29 posted on 01/14/2011 6:44:15 AM PST by andy58-in-nh (America does not need to be organized: it needs to be liberated.)
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To: Notary Sojac
I'm convinced that we will run these programs right into the ground
What do you mean "we?" The gov't wastes trillions of dollars on NASA, Medicaid, Depts of Energy & Education, foreign aid, etc., but it's SS and old people draining the treasury?

They have a sense of entitlement that would do any welfare queen proud.
So, people get forced by law to pay into SS and you don't think they've earned it? You sir, are an @ss.
30 posted on 01/14/2011 6:49:34 AM PST by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: oh8eleven
The gov't wastes trillions of dollars on NASA, Medicaid, Depts of Energy & Education, foreign aid, etc., but it's SS and old people draining the treasury?

In a word:

yes.

Except for Medicaid (which needs major cuts too), you could take all the others you mentioned down to zero, and the savings would cover SS and Medicare for maybe a few weeks.

31 posted on 01/14/2011 6:58:07 AM PST by Notary Sojac ("Goldman Sachs" is to "US economy" as "lamprey" is to "lake trout")
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To: markomalley
“These groups are concerned about Obama’s taciturn response to the proposal by his fiscal commission to gradually increase the retirement age and use a different calculation for cost-of-living adjustments.”

The bastard already did that! There hasn't been a COL raise since the Commie bastard was elected.

32 posted on 01/14/2011 7:04:00 AM PST by Beagle8U (Free Republic -- One stop shopping ....... It's the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: Durus
I know that the money I have paid into SS/Medicare is gone, as gone as if I had dropped it at the blackjack table. And I'm in my mid fifties.

I have structured my future plans accordingly.

33 posted on 01/14/2011 7:06:05 AM PST by Notary Sojac ("Goldman Sachs" is to "US economy" as "lamprey" is to "lake trout")
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To: CitizenUSA; oh8eleven; Durus; MrB
I believe that this will be the bipartisan plan to solve the shortfalls in the Medicare and Soc Sec trust funds


34 posted on 01/14/2011 7:13:07 AM PST by Notary Sojac ("Goldman Sachs" is to "US economy" as "lamprey" is to "lake trout")
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To: Notary Sojac
And?

Social Security is among the biggest mistakes government has ever made, as well as being unconstitutional. That doesn't mean that people should just be screwed out of their money even if you are willing to give it all up.

35 posted on 01/14/2011 7:15:49 AM PST by Durus (The distance between us has grown, and I struggle to quantify it. Windage adjustments are done.)
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To: markomalley

Liberals know that Social Security and other entitlement programs are IOUs. If they are not reformed, every single dollar will go to them... think of it as climate change for Big Government.

That ought to concentrate their minds.


36 posted on 01/14/2011 7:23:10 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: Durus
We could cut benefits today 25% across the board. That would bring the actuarial numbers back into balance. And the vast majority of recipients would still get more than they paid in.

As far as Medicare goes, the most anyone could have paid in over their lifetime, with 4% compound interest, is less than $120,000.

If I were President, I would gladly buy back Medicare cards for $120,000, with the understanding that everyone taking that offer is responsible for their own medical care for the rest of their life. It would be a great deal for the US Treasury.

37 posted on 01/14/2011 7:41:23 AM PST by Notary Sojac (We’ve Had 3 Central Banks In The History Of America, 2 Of Them Failed And This Will One Will Too!)
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To: Notary Sojac
It is very unlikely that anyone who is retiring today will ever get back what they paid into social security, ignoring the simple compound interest they could have earned had they been able to put their own money in a savings account.

I won't comment on medicare as I don't know enough about it.

38 posted on 01/14/2011 7:59:10 AM PST by Durus (The distance between us has grown, and I struggle to quantify it. Windage adjustments are done.)
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To: markomalley

A lot of unions don’t even pay into social security.

Why would they care?


39 posted on 01/14/2011 8:23:28 AM PST by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: Durus; Notary Sojac
ive often said they could just let me opt out in the future and i'll call it even...

the burden on my kids shouldnt be multiplied, or even continued as is, on their backs...

that said, the gubmint could simply give back the 'contribution' with or without simple interest and eliminate the system...everybody would win, except the pigs at the trough...

i realized 20 plus yrs ago that i'll never see a dime of it, unless i die *soon* [before the house of cards collapses], then the kids would get something in survivor 'benefits'...besides that, the gilbo clan is responsible for itself, as it should be...

40 posted on 01/14/2011 8:36:13 AM PST by Gilbo_3 (Gov is not reason; not eloquent; its force.Like fire,a dangerous servant & master. George Washington)
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To: Durus
I won't comment on medicare as I don't know enough about it.
I'm not on it, but my understanding is that despite decades of withdrawals from your paycheck, you still pay when you go on it.After all that, Medicare still only covers 80% of your costs plus there are a lot of co-pays, deductibles, etc.
My parents and in-laws were on it and they hated it.
41 posted on 01/14/2011 9:05:37 AM PST by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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