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Examining Loughner's Possible "Motive" (Vanity)
Vanity | 1/15/2011 | RightFighter

Posted on 01/15/2011 9:45:09 AM PST by RightFighter

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To: IMR 4350

I’m an electrician...finding seemingly isolated incidences and corellating twords causality is part of my job...

I see patterns long before the pattern is obvious...

I predicted these people would start going off years ago...

Check it out my old blog (blog pimping...LOL)

Been on to these freaks for years...I’ve done my homework and then some...I could probably write a thesis on it..

http://antitruther.blogspot.com/

“The Zeitgeist” was my late fathers pen name....

And it’s no small bit of irony that a truther anti-god movie is also called “Zeitgeist”

But I was here first....*snicker*


21 posted on 01/15/2011 11:34:39 AM PST by Crim (The Obama Doctrine : A doctrine based on complete ignorance,applied with extreme incompetence..)
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To: RightFighter
The “guilt by association” argument is wrong whether it cuts to the left or right. Of course, it's absurd to blame Palin or any other rightwinger for Loughner’s acts. It's equally absurd to blame a leftwinger. Don't fight a fallacious argument by offering a fallacious counter-argument. Rather, deconstruct the original fallacious argument to reveal its invalidity.
22 posted on 01/15/2011 11:37:40 AM PST by matt1234 (0bama's bunker phase: Nov. 2010 - Jan. 2013)
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To: matt1234

This isnt guilt by association...this is exposing a community of insane freaks who think 9/11 was an inside job...many of which are main stream...

This is also shown to bust the myth that since a democrat was shot...the shooter must be some kind of conservative..

And as I have documented...this isnt just one shooting tied to the 9/11 truth movement....it’s at least 4....possibly more...


23 posted on 01/15/2011 11:40:53 AM PST by Crim (The Obama Doctrine : A doctrine based on complete ignorance,applied with extreme incompetence..)
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To: RightFighter

When government advocates the idea that we live in a world in which some people can create rights for other people, they are confirming to the sociopath that he is morally free to kill other people as he chooses.


24 posted on 01/15/2011 11:49:58 AM PST by reasonisfaith (Rules will never work for radicals (liberals) because they seek chaos. And don't even know it.)
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To: Crim
You and me both.

The way the left orchestrated the news in advance and the coordinated attack by the news media against Palin, if the left didn't know about this in advance then they had something else planned, something else very similar.

The fact al Quada made threats against Zippo several weeks ago, I'd say that is more than likely it.

The fact the left orchestrated news stories of hate radio fueling violence has been done twice before when there was attempted assassination by al Quada, Bill Clinton in 1995 and Hillary in 2009, and the fact Al Sharptons campaign against hate speech/hate radio is part of Hillary's dirty tricks campaign from 2007, yea I'd say they knew something was coming down the pike.

Once might be a coincidence, twice it's suspect, but three time having the exact same orchestrated news story before an assassination attempt, that's planned.

25 posted on 01/15/2011 12:07:45 PM PST by IMR 4350
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To: IMR 4350

“planned” implies a conspiracy...is not a conspiracy...

It’s a template...it’s merely how screwed up their world view is....


26 posted on 01/15/2011 12:50:30 PM PST by Crim (The Obama Doctrine : A doctrine based on complete ignorance,applied with extreme incompetence..)
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To: IMR 4350

There a kids game show called “the wall”,anything that doesnt fit through the shape...gets shoved aside...

That’s how a libtards mind works.

If it doesnt fit their world view they discard it as false.


27 posted on 01/15/2011 12:53:37 PM PST by Crim (The Obama Doctrine : A doctrine based on complete ignorance,applied with extreme incompetence..)
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To: matt1234

As you could see by my original post on Facebook, I acknowledged that I was making a suggestion of a link that I had no evidence for - only to counter the supposed link that was being used against SP. Now, though, after seeing this other video where he talks about illegal wars, I’m not so sure that there is no linkage. If I were an investigator looking at possible motive for the crime (and there does have to be a motive for the crime of “murder” to have taken place) then I’d definitely be looking at this area to find out if he had contact with these people prior to the crime.


28 posted on 01/15/2011 12:58:22 PM PST by RightFighter (Now back to my war station.)
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To: Crim
There was an al Quada document that was recovered in Afghanistan, it was a letter from UBL to Mullah Omar listed as doc # AFGP-2002-600321 in what was the Counter Terrorism Center at West Points Harmony database. The Harmony database has been pulled down, but IIRC a mention of the doc was made at Newsmax.

In the doc UBL makes a passing statement to the affect “The news is 90% of the preparation for the battle”.

If you have a small scale attack you can achieve your objective by carrying out the attack based on what is in the news, for the large scale attacks you can't you have to orchestrate the news for it, if for nothing else the timing.

You simply can't wait for the right news story, it has to be orchestrated before the attack and then followed up with the right spin after the attack in order to achieve your objective. UBL simply does not have the ability to orchestrate the news before the attack much less put the right spin on it after the attack. The only people in this country that can orchestrate the news then follow up with the right spin is the left.

You want to know when a terrorist attack is coming down the pike, take what KSM confessed to and work yourself out a pattern to the orchestrated news stories in the weeks and months prior to the attacks. It's fairly easy if you stick with the major stories that are carried for several days or weeks and the left works into their talking points after the attacks. For example “First Bush stole the election then he allowed 9/11, he's becoming a dictator.” Kind of hard to convince me it was just a coincidence when UBL himself said the objective of the 9/11 attack was to bring down the president.

29 posted on 01/15/2011 3:13:03 PM PST by IMR 4350
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To: IMR 4350

You’ll have to do better than “If I remember correctly”

Got a link?


30 posted on 01/15/2011 4:35:45 PM PST by Crim (The Obama Doctrine : A doctrine based on complete ignorance,applied with extreme incompetence..)
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To: Crim
No I don't have a link. I have a copy of it from the Harmony database but it's been taken down.

Like I said, best I can remember it was mentioned at Newsmax and you can find it as easy as I can.

I don't need to find it, I know what's there.

31 posted on 01/15/2011 6:20:13 PM PST by IMR 4350
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To: IMR 4350

Ok...so I have to take your word for it, or dig around myself...

You’ll of course pardon me if I take that with a grain of salt until I can confirm it.....


32 posted on 01/15/2011 6:32:21 PM PST by Crim (The Obama Doctrine : A doctrine based on complete ignorance,applied with extreme incompetence..)
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To: Crim
I don't blame you for taking everything with a grain of salt, I do the same myself.

I don't follow other peoples thinking. I do my own research and come up with my own conclusion. I expect other people to do the same. Instead of repeating what I say, you might find info that I didn't have.

Too many people hear Rush, Beck, Hannity or some other talking head say something and automatically assume its true because they have a staff to research for them. Fact is their staffs more often than not only research what other people have said and they repeat other peoples thoughts. They put their spin on it.

I'm simply giving you a lead as to what to look for.

33 posted on 01/15/2011 8:15:49 PM PST by IMR 4350
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To: IMR 4350

Thanks I’ll check it out.


34 posted on 01/15/2011 8:58:13 PM PST by Crim (The Obama Doctrine : A doctrine based on complete ignorance,applied with extreme incompetence..)
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To: Crim
One thing you will find is a large number of the orchestrated news stories are related to the Rodney King incident of 91/92 and early 93 before the 1st WTC attack.
35 posted on 01/15/2011 9:36:28 PM PST by IMR 4350
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To: IMR 4350

Hrm...ok...

Osama bin laden and rodney king...

I guess I never made the connection...


36 posted on 01/15/2011 10:17:25 PM PST by Crim (The Obama Doctrine : A doctrine based on complete ignorance,applied with extreme incompetence..)
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The left will revive the R King issue, civil rights violations by police, or something similar to gin up civil unrest.

A perfect example is the phony Gates dust up in July 2009. It was a nothing story that the left, led by Zippo, ratcheted up with claims of racial profiling.

The CBC called for an investigation into Bush's DoJ Civil Rights Division and complaints filed against police for racial profiling. At the same time this BS was going on, they once again tried to revive the phony story of Bush firing the US Attorneys, implying the USA’s were fired to cover up misconduct by police namely radial profiling.

Lets go back to R King. Following the RK beating Bush ordered a review of all complaints files against police with the FBI for the previous 5 years. There was apx 15,000 complaints filed but only around 42 cases had been pursued in court. The fact only around 42 complaints were pursued in court, was proof, according to the dems, that republicans were racist. The dems used this issue to gin up civil unrest to the point that it exploded in the LA race riots of 92. Maxine Waters refers to it as the Rebellion, Revolution. the Uprising.

Following the riots the FBI made the claim the complaints had been reviewed and there was nothing there. Bush then ordered the USA’s to review the complaints. The dems were demanding the release of the FBI files, while at the same time promising more race riots if the report from the USA’s didn't say what they wanted, that being police were not being held accountable because of racism.

The files nor the report from the USA’s was ever released by Bush 41.

When Reno was nominated by Clinton she said the first thing she would do was release the content of the FBI files. Instead of releasing the files she fired all the USA’s.

Of the 15,000 complaints filed and only around 42 pursued in court, one of the ones pursued in court was against Gov. William Jefferson Blyth Clinton for ordering his Arkansas state troopers to racial profile.

So in other words the Gates dust up in 2009 was an attempt by Hillary to project onto Bush 43 what Bill Clinton was guilty of, firing the USA’s to cover up racial profiling.
There's your R King connection, get it.? They are trying to gin up civil unrest and race riots right before a terrorist attack again.

1st WTC attack proceeded by race riots and the promise of more rare riots called the Rebellion and Revolution

OKC bombing proceeded by phony stories of White Supremest, White Separatist, KKK, Neo-Nazies attempting to over throw the govt and put blacks back in slavery

Summer of terror 96 filled with phony stories of black churches being burned and republicans were going to take away the blacks vote. Bill Clinton's buddies the Chinese got caught shipping full auto weapons to the gangs in LA.

Bill Clinton's impeachment Hillary has a threat called The Scorched Earth Policy threat to release FBI files, there is your FBI files from the R King case again

Millennium bombing attempt March 20, 1999 AP reporter named Martha Mendoza Civil Rights cases Rarely Prosecuted, Reno is developing a report on Racial Profiling, R King once again

9/11 Bush stole the election with voter disenfranchisement Jesse Jackson calles it a Revolution, media ignores the fact Bill Clinton was sued while Gov of Arkansas for votor disenfranchisement, Clinton's projection onto Bush what the are guilty of

Terrorist attack canceled lat 02 early 03. August of 02, Charles Barron promised Scorched Earth (race riots) if blacks don't get reparations for slavery

October 05, terrorist attack planned for NYC dems jump on opportunity to gin up civil unrest with Katrina, Bush and republicans are racist

January 06, UBL makes threat in tape “Pep-orations are being made for terror attack” Late December 05 ACLU passed out video cameras in St Louise to redo the R King incident again

Are You starting to notice how the R King incident keeps popping up?

2006 Dems get Hispanics to marching in the streets, there is an attempted terrorist attack in the sky from London to the US

2007 terrorist begin planning subway bombing for NYC, dems have attempted to revive R King issue once again by holding hearing on firing of USA by Bush, CREW claims there are problems in the Civil Rights Division at the DoJ, Al Sharpton starts his campaign with the Jenna 6 and NOOSES being hung everywhere to intimidate blacks with the threat of lynching, Sharpton goes after Imas for Hate Speech

2009 NYC subway plot Dems once again revive the R King issue with the Gates dust up

2010 Fertilizer bomb attempt in NYC dems claim Teaparty are a bunch of Tim McVeigh wanna bees used the fertilizer bomb as proof their claims are true

If this is starting to sound familiar to you, it should.

It's straight from The Weather Underground playbook.

I really hope someone can convince me I'm wrong.

37 posted on 01/16/2011 10:35:10 AM PST by IMR 4350
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To: reasonisfaith

Loughner Hated George W. Bush
January 17, 2011

BEGIN TRANSCRIPT
RUSH: Rich Lowry, The Corner, National Review Online: “Even the Sheriff Knows that Loughner is Crazy.” There’s a long New York Times piece on the killer. “There’s no doubt in my mind...” This is Dupnik. “’There’s no doubt in my mind the whole trial will be about: Did he know right from wrong?’ the sheriff said. ‘We’ll have 15 psychiatrists saying yes; we’ll have 15 psychiatrists saying no. What do I say? I think he’s mentally disturbed.’” Did you see what James Taranto wrote at Wall Street Journal, Best of the Web online? Quoting the sheriff, naming me as a responsible party, he says, “Anybody seen Limbaugh? He’s about six feet tall, stocky build, has booming baritone voice, and is still at large.”

Still at large! (laughing) Sheriff Dupnik.

BREAK TRANSCRIPT

RUSH: That very long New York Times story on the killer, Jared Loughner. I remember when — in the first half hour of the program, mere moments ago — I mentioned that Jared Loughner was a Bush-hater. All three pairs of eyeballs on the other side of the glass look at me in total surprise. They had not seen it reported anywhere. Here’s this detail from the New York Times piece on Jared Loughner: “He became intrigued by antigovernment conspiracy theories, including that the Sept. 11 attacks were perpetrated by the government...” Now, all of that is lies made up by the left. And there was a Rasmussen survey — ah, I forget, within the past year or so — that half the Democrats in the country believed that.

Where was that? Let me find it here real quick. In 2007, three years ago, Rasmussen Reports: “Democrats in America are evenly divided” evenly divided! “on the question of whether George W. Bush knew about the 9/11 terrorist attacks in advance. Thirty-five percent of Democrats believe that Bush knew. Thirty-nine percent said he didn’t know. Twenty-six percent aren’t sure.” Of the 35% who think Bush knew, they also have to think he didn’t do anything to stop it, which means 35% of Democrats think that Bush wanted it to happen — and guess who this guy identifies with? The Democrats! “He became intrigued by antigovernment conspiracy theories, including that the Sept. 11 attacks were perpetrated by the government,” all lies made up by the left.

He also believed “that the country’s central banking system was enslaving its citizens. His anger would well up at the sight of President George W. Bush, or in discussing what he considered to be the nefarious designs of government.” So here you have a “government” hater, a Bush-hater, which qualifies him to be in common with over 80% of the Democrat Party. They all hated Bush. See, that hatred was justified. Hatred of Bush? Well, that was understandable. Hatred of Bush? Justifiable! So this guy’s “anger would well up at the sight of President George W. Bush, or in discussing what he considered to be the nefarious designs of government.”

So he’s an anti-government, conspiracy theorist, truther Bush-hater. The New York Times uncovers all this. Back to Sheriff Dupnik. “Disturbed enough to be found guilty but insane? ‘I majored in psychology at the university,’ Sheriff Dupnik answered. ‘Based on what I’ve seen, he is psychotic, he has serious problems with reality, and I think he’s delusional. Does he meet the legal test of guilty but insane? I don’t know.’” Sheriff Dupnik, naming me, now claiming this guy is “delusional.” The sheriff was majoring in psychology at the university. Well... I never once thought the guy was a genuine sheriff in the first place, then.

(playing of “I’m Not a Sheriff” parody song)

RUSH: And that is white comedian Paul Shanklin on Martin Luther King Day, and “I’m Not a Sheriff,” a vocal portrayal there that’s Eric “Clapner.” (interruption) Well, I know it’s Clapton, and I know it’s reggae tune. Bob Marley did it first and it was covered by Eric “Clapner,” as pronounced by Joycelyn Elders, who believed we should teach masturbation in the schools as a form of birth control.
END TRANSCRIPT


38 posted on 01/17/2011 9:59:43 PM PST by RightFighter (Now back to my war station.)
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