Posted on 01/16/2011 4:10:55 AM PST by marktwain
They defy a lot of teachings Lazamataz, that being one of the least of them. I pray my catholic brothers and sisters wake up before it’s too late.
Eliminate SIN and then you can eliminate guns. I have NEVER heard a priest or bishop speak on gun control.
Perhaps freedom loving Freepers of the Catholic faith would care to refudiate this article.” ________________________
The critics predisposed conclusions on this matter is like a guy trying to opine on calculus having failed or never taken basic arithmetic.
A no brainer. First of all a committee styled opinion remarking that “....the Church ....opposes firearms for civilians.....” is certainly not the voice of the Church. The sources cited and the committee style group of individuals alone are speaking. This blurb does NOT qualify as the Church speaking. These are hardly a rule of faith, a Church teaching, or any other caricatured and framed pronouncement one might wish to pin on the Church.
The fact is that the Church speaks only when the Holy Father speaks, and only then when he speaks Ex Cathedra, and only then when he speaks on matters of Faith and Morals alone, and only then when it undergirds the Truths of the Christian faith, which have been and are now well known to all the faithful for over 2 thousand years.
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To judge “the Church” by the standards of former Catholics, non-practicing Catholics and anti-Catholics of the US is a stupendous error, laughable to traditional Catholics. The Church has certainly NOT spoken on your local gun laws.
All this “peacemaker” talk makes me think of Sam Colt’s version.
No, I deliberately used Sarah Palin’s new word.
A combination of refute and repudiate seemed appropriate.
And sometimes, overt political correctness, too. During my Catholic school days (when I was really young in elementary school), we were subjected to speech control in the form of parents who had diabetic kids in the school actually being allowed to speak in front of the class and demand that we not call their kids “diabetics,” but, rather, people “with diabetes!”
Thank you for your reasoned response. I have supported the efforts by Catholics to have St. Gabriel Possenti made the patron saint of handguners. It may yet happen.
"and now he said unto them, but now he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise a wallet; and he that hath none,let him sell his cloak, and buy a sword."
I don't know how you interpret this, but sounds an awful lot like Jesus not being adverse to weapons for self defense, as opposed to offensive reasons.
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Not much chance of that. The CC is the best brainwashing unit on Earth.
Thank you for working toward this; I'm familiar with St. Gabriel but not with the website... heading there now.
To coin a phrase, "mea culpa"
I Shoulda' scanned the page first, Laz, didn't see your post until after I hit the submit button.
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There is nothing like this in the Bible. Even Jesus' disciples were commanded to be armed in the Garden of Gethsemane. Perhaps Marxism has now infiltrated the highest levels of the Catholic hierarchy? At my church, on the other hand, we carry every Sunday.
Not Marxism... It can be attributed simply to political correctness on our side of the pond, and irrational fear of weapons (due to three+ generations of war) or the other. See my post upthread.
"blessed be Jehovah, My rock, who teacheth my hands to war, and my fingers to fight"
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They've been doing that for centuries.
So you’re say that the US Conference of Bishops isnt part of the Catholic Church?
I agree that both of those are beyond the Church's competence, which is why I totally disagree with the effort to eliminate the death penalty, and THIS part of the Catechism's statement:
"Today, in fact, as a consequence of the possibilities which the state has for effectively preventing crime, by rendering one who has committed an offense incapable of doing harm - without definitely taking away from him the possibility of redeeming himself - the cases in which the execution of the offender is an absolute necessity "are very rare, if not practically nonexistent."
Said condition simply does not exist in today's world. As I said above, "life imprisonment, without parole, in solitary confinement" is the only TRULY workable alternative to the death penalty, but AFAIK, such a sentence has NEVER, EVER been issued.
There is one other possible alternative, and that is surgical severing of the spine to render the perp a quadraplegic. If he/she can't move arms and legs, then they can do no harm.
BUT, neither of the above possible alternatives to the death penalty prevents the perp from having someone ELSE commit murder (crime bosses). So you need to also eliminate the possibility of outside contact with society.
I don't see any of those alternatives ever being seriously considered.
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