Posted on 01/16/2011 4:10:55 AM PST by marktwain
No real surprise. Many left wing agenda items are quietly supported or artfully ignored like abortion.
well I'm sure that will happen, just as soon as Jesus returns.
Recycled USCCB spew ping, if you wish to wade in...
None of the documents mentioned, especially the USSCB docs, have any real authority. The Church has no offical, binding doctrine or dogma discouraging or prohibiting gun ownership. (Except within the Vatican itself, a very special case.)
A further point, any statements that are a judgment of circumstances (e.g. the degree of threat from terrorism, the amount of crime created by guns, etc.) and not a matter of faith and morals falls completely outside of the Church’s authority to make binding judgments. The Church can err in such judgments just as anyone else can.
The Church also honors St. Gabriel Possenti, whose expert marksmanship saved the village from outlaws.
This is rather silly. There is NO Church Teaching on the subject of gun control. There is clear teaching on the inherent freedom that each human has and the right to defend oneself and others.
Luke 22:36 He said to them, “But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don’t have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one.”
So, the Pope and the Catholics now defy Jesus’ teachings?
It is one of many reasons I have left the Church.
Guncontrol is one of many social gospel heresies that some parts of the Catholic Church is enamored by.
That was a real fight!
Jesus said sell your Mp4 player and get an assault rifle.
EVERY church is run by men that are flawed.
The is typical "leftist-think" from the European semi-socialist and full socialists who inhabit the middle bureaucracy of the Vatican.
The error in their logic is that they assume that "the state" (i.e. has a functioning army, police force and court system) systems actually work effectively.
This is the same as the erroneous thinking in the Catechism justifying current Church efforts to eliminate the death penalty...which assumes that society actually has mechanisms THAT WORK to protect society from a murderer. I have seen NO evidence that that is true.
The ONLY way, other than the death penalty, to fully protect members of society is a sentence of life imprisonment WITHOUT PAROLE IN SOLITARY CONFINEMENT (prison guards are in danger, too).
It does on the use/elimination of the death penalty, which has the same logical disconnect as displayed above.
Render unto Ceasar those things which are Ceasars’, and render unto God those things which are Gods’. In other words, civilian carry is none is the Churchs’ G.D. business.
Laz, He also said:
Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth: But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also. And if any man will sue thee at the law, and take away thy coat, let him have thy cloke also. And whosoever shall compel thee to go a mile, go with him twain. Give to him that asketh thee, and from him that would borrow of thee turn not thou away. (Matthew 5:39-42)
I always have trouble with this one. I guess I’ll just be a sinner, because I think I’d be fighting back if some one smacked my right cheek, unless she was good looking!
You mean 'repudiate' right?
Likewise, this is a point where American Catholics can and MUST remind the Pontifical Council for Peace and Justice that the difference in the structure and operation of our Government per the Constitution demands that we continue to have the ability to exercise the 2nd Amendment.
The European mindset on firearms is poisoned (no, that isn't too strong a word) because of two World Wars and two generations of threat from the Soviets... they fail to see how a well-armed public can be a positive thing - in spite of the fact that those totalitarian regimes (particularly Hitler) feared the possibility of an armed public so much that they seized all firearms.
From some conversations that I've had with some Europeans (I've been in Rome a year and a half) they see Americans as "cowboys" whose gun use is out of control -- because that's what their media feeds them.
Now... as far as the USCCB goes - they really ought know better. However, the documents both cited are getting a little old. It might be worth putting some pressure on the bishops if this becomes a more frequent talking point - pressure on individual bishops has affected other things to our advantage such as the beginning of the reform of the CCHD.
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