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Gun control: Church firmly, quietly opposes firearms for civilians
Catholic News Service ^ | 14 January, 2011 | Carol Glatz,

Posted on 01/16/2011 4:10:55 AM PST by marktwain

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To: TYVets

Look, a person can’t find anyone more displeased, disappointed and embarrassed by the USCCB than a LOT of Catholics.

There are many politically liberal leaning Bishops in many dioceses, who are very noisy and therefore they get virtually ALL the headlines by the media who love to give them coverage in order to stir the pot, but these Bishops do not speak for the universal Catholic Church, nor even all Bishops.

A Bishop must speak to his flock and encourage his flock in faith and morals with some authority, but he does not speak for the universal Catholic Church on matters of gun ownership, which is outside his pervue and is not a matter of faith and morals. These pronouncements are his own whether he is for guns or against guns.


81 posted on 01/16/2011 1:57:50 PM PST by RitaOK
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To: Dr. Sivana

That saint was a member of the Passionists. In my homestate, CT there is a Passionist retreat house/monestary.


82 posted on 01/16/2011 5:50:28 PM PST by Biggirl ("The Best Of Times, The Worse Of Times", Charles Dickens)
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To: marktwain
Firearms in the hands of civilians should be strictly limited and eventually completely eliminated.

What the Hell?

What if David wasn't allowed to have a slingshot?

83 posted on 01/16/2011 6:59:23 PM PST by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate Republicans Freed the Slaves Month)
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To: sockmonkey
Bishop John Joseph Leibrecht

See Wikipedia at:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Joseph_Leibrecht

84 posted on 01/16/2011 7:28:54 PM PST by TYVets
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To: RitaOK

The moral law with regard to self defense, for both individuals and the state, presents a golden opportunity for our beloved German Shepherd to clarify. As Aristotle noticed, the end of the state is to bring about the just condition, which is necessary for the free exercise of virtue. The more the state fails to establish justice, the more this duty falls upon each man, which is unfortunately not the ideal. Every time a valiant man stands up and does what the state should be doing, he risks punishment, often for acts that are entirely virtuous.


85 posted on 01/16/2011 7:34:28 PM PST by blackpacific
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To: TYVets
Bishop John Joseph Leibrecht

An associate of Cardinal Law, eh?

It sounds like you have a good one now.

86 posted on 01/16/2011 8:33:47 PM PST by sockmonkey
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To: marktwain

My gun is what makes me a peacekeeper.


87 posted on 01/16/2011 11:09:06 PM PST by scott7278 ( "...I have not changed Congress and how it operates the way I would have liked." BHO)
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To: Alas Babylon!

A slap in the face hurts one’s pride, and might leave temporary redness, but a Christian should not escalate what was considered a civil matter. It takes a lot to walk away, but it’s imperative to do so - gun owners today know this very well. It’s the best way to live.

When a mere slap turns into a criminal matter though, where serious bodily harm or death comes into play, the right of self-defense kicks in.


88 posted on 01/16/2011 11:16:08 PM PST by scott7278 ( "...I have not changed Congress and how it operates the way I would have liked." BHO)
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To: blackpacific

The moral law with regard to self defense, for both individuals and the state, presents a golden opportunity for our beloved German Shepherd to clarify.” ____________
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Yes, of course you are right, but we Americans tend to think that we and our opinion form the center of the universe and that Rome also should revolve around us and our small political arguments on gun ownership, open carry and concealed weapons. This must pale in importance when measured by the increasingly open slaughter of good Bishops, priests, Coptic Catholics, genocides and open persecution of Catholics around the globe.

If the Catechism were to be decently taught to the flock, the Church would then be informed of these ancient and reasoned conclusions accepted by the universal Church. It doesn’t really matter whether the protestants get it, but it does matter that Catholic laity get it. After all, the Church is NOT suicidal.


89 posted on 01/17/2011 10:14:05 AM PST by RitaOK
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To: RitaOK

What should happen when the teaching authority with regard to the Sacred Deposit of Faith argues its way down to the realm of natural theology and philosophy, there should be no dissonance between the Magisterium and the results that can be achieved through the light of natural reason. That is, the two sciences should match.

Unfortunately, since Vatican Council II, there has been a consistent mismatch.

The Second Amendment is intricately tied into the concept that any man who takes up the care of the common good has a natural authority from God to defend himself, and those under his care. The concept of natural authority seems to be the core principle that liberalism wishes to root out.


90 posted on 01/17/2011 6:01:39 PM PST by blackpacific
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To: Alas Babylon!

The slap on the cheek has classically been interpreted as an insult to one’s honor or pride. It is not a lethal assault. So what was left unsaid might go like this: “If they neighbor point a knife at thy throat, present also to him the business end of thy sidearm, so long as the caliber starts with a four, and if he persisteth, squeeze until the problem is resolved”. My point is, the response to a lethal assault is not covered, I think because up until about 100 years ago no one would have cared to argue against self defense.


91 posted on 01/17/2011 7:01:07 PM PST by blackpacific
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To: GCC Catholic

But doesn’t Europe have the example of Switzerland right in their own back yard, a country which was spared two world wars?


92 posted on 01/17/2011 7:03:15 PM PST by blackpacific
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To: GCC Catholic

But doesn’t Europe have the example of Switzerland right in their own back yard, a country which was spared two world wars?


93 posted on 01/17/2011 7:03:23 PM PST by blackpacific
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To: blackpacific
An interesting perspective on this was told to me by my priest yesterday. He said that many scholars think Jesus was speaking of Himself, as when the High Priest's servant slapped him at His tribunal before being taken to Pilate, and then offering no defense or resistance when the Roman soldiers brutally beat Him, and later when the soldiers took all of His garments, even lotterying off His clothing.

So, my priest said (he's an elderly, spry and conservative cleric), “You can certainly defend yourself!”

94 posted on 01/17/2011 8:10:42 PM PST by Alas Babylon!
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But doesn’t Europe have the example of Switzerland right in their own back yard, a country which was spared two world wars?

Yep. It's right there - but Switzerland's success in that seems to never come to the fore of the EU leaders' minds.

And when they manage to screw all of this up again, Switzerland will still be there, and will be just fine.

95 posted on 01/17/2011 9:06:43 PM PST by GCC Catholic
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To: Alas Babylon!

Wow, and thanks for the insight from your priest. I’ll share it with my children.


96 posted on 01/17/2011 10:18:37 PM PST by blackpacific
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