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Church Official Calls for ‘All-Russian Dress Code’(No mini-skirts says Russian Orthodox priest)
The New York Times ^
| 18-Jan-2011
| ELLEN BARRY
Posted on 01/18/2011 12:32:52 PM PST by Cronos
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To: DesertRhino
The priesthood is the enemy of freedom, no priest ridden people ever have full freedom.
Gosh, as I recall, the Russians decided to get rid of all that religion crap a while back. Remind me - did they become more free afterward, or less?
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posted on
01/18/2011 2:04:11 PM PST
by
fr_freak
To: Persevero
In VT, I believe in Brattleboro, there is no law on public nudity. A few years ago it was a fad for high school kids to loiter around downtown naked. They finally harrassed them enough with the loitering statutes to make them stop or the fad ran its course. In NY women can go topless should they choose and in Maine several women made a case that the controlling legislation which barred the display of genitalia did not apply to wmen because their genitalia is internal and not on display when naked. They won that case but I believe the Maine legislature may have adressed that oversight.
Sadly, I am not an authority on this subject but I believe several states besides NY do not require women to wear tops
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posted on
01/18/2011 2:06:17 PM PST
by
muir_redwoods
(Obama. Chauncey Gardiner without the homburg.)
To: fr_freak
‘History provides no example of a preist ridden people maintaining a free civil government’ Jefferson
Nowhere does that quote suggest doing what the soviets did, don’t be trite. The idea is that preists need to stay in their domain. He wants a law telling people out in town to dress according to his code.
You imply that the choice is a priesthood that dominates society, or a priesthood in the gulag. That’s a false choice,,, this guys job is to teach and convince, not to create law enforcing his belief.
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posted on
01/18/2011 2:18:12 PM PST
by
DesertRhino
(I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
To: brooklyn dave
>>>”OK, ladies, drag out that babushka.”<<<
lol
Maybe the Russian Orthodox Church had Vladimir Putin’s ‘alleged’ affair with that 26 yr old gymnast Alina Kabayeva in mind..
Or, maybe Russian Orthodox Church is taking lessons from Iranian Ayatollahs ‘morality police’ regarding ‘dress code’ for women!
Seriously, I don’t think one can effectively ‘legislate’ against matters that are largely & essentially about upbringing, values, having a sense of personal judgement & decorum. Then again, I know quite a few Russians, and based on what I’ve heard, Russia & generally many Eastern European countries (similar to their southeast asian counterparts) have serious social challenges ... “Mail Order Brides” is an interesting concept & practice!
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posted on
01/18/2011 2:18:26 PM PST
by
odds
To: DesertRhino
You imply that the choice is a priesthood that dominates society, or a priesthood in the gulag. Thats a false choice,,, this guys job is to teach and convince, not to create law enforcing his belief.
I made no such implication. You came right out and stated that priests interfere with freedom, and I provided you with an instance, in the very country in question, where individuals with your enthusiasm for removing priests from society didn't bring about any greater level of freedom.
The fact is that, in a free society, anyone can say anything they want. It doesn't endanger anyone's freedom for a priest to say that women shouldn't wear mini-skirts. Heck, it doesn't endanger anyone's freedom for a priest to say that mini-skirt wearers should be arrested, unless the priest is running the government. Is this priest running the government? Nope, and not likely to, either. Yet, someone like you, when exposed to the opinion of another human being which doesn't agree with yours, says "Oh no!! We must fear that person! He will ruin our lives because he doesn't say things I agree with!" I actually think that your attitude is the greater threat to freedom than this priest, just as the Soviets were the greater threat (they also wanted to silence dissenting speech).
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posted on
01/18/2011 2:25:11 PM PST
by
fr_freak
To: Cronos
What is a mini-skirt?
hehehehe
To: fr_freak
I was clear enough and never suggested priests be eliminated. Jyst that they should not seek to enforce their desires through law.
I will go enjoy the russian women in mini skirts,,,, and you go enjoy whatever you prefer to look at. lol
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posted on
01/18/2011 2:36:19 PM PST
by
DesertRhino
(I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
To: fr_freak
besides read closer, he didn’t just give an opinion. He wants a dress code mandatory for all of russia.
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posted on
01/18/2011 2:39:40 PM PST
by
DesertRhino
(I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
To: DesertRhino
preists need to stay in their domain. He's a Russian citizen, isn't he? Does his ordained status cause him to lose the right to speak out about Russian social issues and politics? Ordained men should be banned from the public square -- isn't that what you want?
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posted on
01/18/2011 2:50:08 PM PST
by
Romulus
(The Traditional Latin Mass is the real Youth Mass)
To: DesertRhino
He wants a dress code mandatory for all of russia.And you want a speech code. The big difference between you and him being that he's a citizen of the place and a member of its cultural/social structure -- and you're not.
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posted on
01/18/2011 2:53:22 PM PST
by
Romulus
(The Traditional Latin Mass is the real Youth Mass)
To: Romulus
No need to overreact, I just want guys like him to lose when they argue for national dress codes that are based in his religious sensibilities rather than widely accepted norms, such as not being topless. I would feel the same if the mormons for example, wanted a law requiring all women to wear homespun dresses.
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posted on
01/18/2011 3:05:43 PM PST
by
DesertRhino
(I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
To: Romulus
hey sport I never suggest of the speech code, I just want to speech to get laughed at.
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posted on
01/18/2011 3:07:43 PM PST
by
DesertRhino
(I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
To: DesertRhino
In Russia, the Orthodox Church is the widely accepted norm. Russia is not religiously/culturally/ethnically fragmented like America. This priest's words will sound like mere common sense to Russians, as well as to the few remaining Americans that haven't lost their minds.
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posted on
01/18/2011 3:10:23 PM PST
by
Romulus
(The Traditional Latin Mass is the real Youth Mass)
To: Romulus
sorry, droid’s a pain sometimes. That is, I want his speech snickered at when he wants to be a boss of society.
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posted on
01/18/2011 3:10:28 PM PST
by
DesertRhino
(I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
To: Romulus
what was the mormon russia the wouldn’t need to be a law, now would be there? But ok,, we can do it your way,,, all the women should dress like the amish to make SOME men feel better! lol
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posted on
01/18/2011 3:15:20 PM PST
by
DesertRhino
(I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
To: Romulus
That is, if it were the norm there, as you opine. There would’t NEED to be a law, would there? For example, not walking around naked, IS a norm. Therefore, no law is needed.
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posted on
01/18/2011 3:20:38 PM PST
by
DesertRhino
(I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
To: Persevero
In what state can you walk around nude in public? Usually drunk.
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posted on
01/18/2011 3:51:33 PM PST
by
Doomonyou
(Let them eat Lead.)
To: muir_redwoods
“Public nudity, although not always welcomed by the denizens of the town, was not forbidden by any Vermont statute or Brattleboro ordinance until July 17, 2007. The town has drawn national attention when nudists make a visit to take advantage of the situation.
On July 17, 2007, Brattleboro town officials passed an emergency rule by a 32 margin, temporarily “banning nudity on the main roads and within 250 feet of any school or place of worship, among other places” due to a number of complaints.
On August 22, 2007, the Brattleboro Selectboard decided not to make the ban on nudity permanent, once again allowing nudity in the town when the temporary statute ran out in September.
However, on December 4, 2007 the Selectboard made the ban permanent. Nudity is now banned, and one faces a $100 charge if cited.”
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posted on
01/18/2011 5:05:35 PM PST
by
Persevero
(Homeschooling for Excellence since 1992)
To: DesertRhino; fr_freak
“Thats a false choice,,, this guys job is to teach and convince, not to create law enforcing his belief.”
What if the Orthodox Priest believes it is a sin to murder? Should he encourage laws against it?
What if he believes it is a sin to steal? Shall he work for that to be illegal?
What moral beliefs is he allowed to want reflected in the civil code, and what moral beliefs are excluded?
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posted on
01/18/2011 5:09:26 PM PST
by
Persevero
(Homeschooling for Excellence since 1992)
To: Persevero
Trite argument. Murder and theft are crimes against the rights of a specific individual, THAT is why they are codified. Athiest and saved both agree that they dont want to be murdered or be the victim of theft.
But this guy wants women to dress in a way that satisfies his religion. Her wearing a short skirt “doesn’t pick a pocket, nor break a bone”.
Thats why he shouldn’t expect to get a LAW. Maybe i dont like to see a man in a dress,, should there be a law that he can’t walk around in womens clothes? My preacher wears pants, like a man. See the problem?
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posted on
01/18/2011 5:40:31 PM PST
by
DesertRhino
(I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
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