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Church Official Calls for ‘All-Russian Dress Code’(No mini-skirts says Russian Orthodox priest)
The New York Times ^ | 18-Jan-2011 | ELLEN BARRY

Posted on 01/18/2011 12:32:52 PM PST by Cronos

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To: Persevero

“What moral beliefs is he allowed to want reflected in the civil code, and what moral beliefs are excluded?”

An example would be church attendance, or maybe fasting for lent, or maybe women working outside the home. He might have sincere and theologically correct positions on those issues,,, but i believe he would be morally wrong to try to codify them into civil law. Thats not for him to IMPOSE on those outside his flock.

OTOH, When there is a violation of a persons individual rights, such as murder or theft, we write a law.

Your only defense is to become a theocrat or collectivist. That church should rule temporally, or that the collective is the most important unit of rights. (the same argument the anti-gun crowd uses to attack the 2nd amendment)


41 posted on 01/18/2011 5:50:26 PM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
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To: DesertRhino

‘OTOH, When there is a violation of a persons individual rights, such as murder or theft, we write a law.”

But then we must decide what a person’s individual rights are.

Do I have the right to be in the public square without being literally forced to look at naked people?

I say I do.


42 posted on 01/18/2011 5:58:17 PM PST by Persevero (Homeschooling for Excellence since 1992)
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To: DesertRhino

“Athiest and saved both agree that they dont want to be murdered or be the victim of theft.”

I disagree.

There are many atheists and others, some may actually claim to be saved, who actually kill and steal, so, there are truly plenty of people who would not mind if murder and/or theft were legal or unpunished.

I don’t think I have a trite argument. My argument is: you can’t arbitrarily decide what religious beliefs can be codified into law, and what can’t.

Because your arbitrary decision are different than mine are different from Ted Bundy are different from the imam are different from Charles Manson are different from my grandma.

I could certainly support a law against cross dressing. I am sure a good majority if not a plurality of Americans would support it. Is it majority rule? Or, if not, what then is our standard?


43 posted on 01/18/2011 6:02:15 PM PST by Persevero (Homeschooling for Excellence since 1992)
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To: Persevero

Well it’s still legal for women to go topless in NY state which I guarantee would give the good father apoplexy


44 posted on 01/18/2011 6:09:01 PM PST by muir_redwoods (Obama. Chauncey Gardiner without the homburg.)
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To: muir_redwoods

State parks, anyway.

“Some communities such as New York State, and the province of Ontario, Canada, have made it legal for women to go topless. Though in New York State it is only legal in state parks and is celebrated yearly by the Buffalo Six. Women in both areas have faced legal battles to obtain those rights, though few take advantage of them.”


45 posted on 01/18/2011 6:11:30 PM PST by Persevero (Homeschooling for Excellence since 1992)
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To: DesertRhino
besides read closer, he didn’t just give an opinion. He wants a dress code mandatory for all of russia.

Yeah, and unless he is an influential government official, what he wants is still just his opinion. That's why it is silly to get all bent out of shape about it.
46 posted on 01/18/2011 6:28:32 PM PST by fr_freak
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To: Persevero

“There are many atheists and others, some may actually claim to be saved, who actually kill and steal, so, there are truly plenty of people who would not mind if murder and/or theft were legal or unpunished.”

You miss the point entirely. Homicide is illegal because of the people who do not want ***their*** right to life violated via murder, by others, NOT because everybody agrees that you shouldn’t murder.

YOUR point that there are some people who would love to steal and murder, is why we have a law. To protect the people who want to be protected from them.

You certainly can arbitrarily do it. The answer is this,, we do not codify religious belief into law. For example, you do not outlaw eating meat of friday, etc. Law is centered around the individual and their god given rights to life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness. Rights involve what you are free to do without harming others. A miniskirt harms nobody.


47 posted on 01/18/2011 9:16:20 PM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
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To: fr_freak

Ok, then we will disagree. Just like the left does, this man and you think every “good idea” should be a law. A progessive wants me to have a spaghetti light bulb, and not to drive an SUV. And this guy wants the women to be required by law to dress to his taste. Same thing,,,

Best stopped the minute they start up the idea.


48 posted on 01/18/2011 9:20:50 PM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
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To: Persevero

“Is it majority rule? Or, if not, what then is our standard?”

NO, it isn’t majority rule, it is a constitutional republic. The standard is, does it pick your pocket or break your bone? If not, freedom is the default. No society needs the preachers often good ideas to have force of law. I have yet to have you articulate why it should be a law to make women dress to the standard of the most modest people here. Thats the taliban way.

Thats the operating system called “Europe 1.0”


49 posted on 01/18/2011 9:25:28 PM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
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To: DesertRhino
Just like the left does, this man and you think every “good idea” should be a law.

Wow, you really haven't understood all that much in this conversation, have you? You go ahead and have a good night, but look out! there might be a priest under your bed! And he might have an opinion about something!
50 posted on 01/18/2011 9:36:19 PM PST by fr_freak
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To: DesertRhino

“The standard is, does it pick your pocket or break your bone? If not, freedom is the default.”

I may or may not agree with you, but that’s not the Constitutional way.

The Constitutional way is to leave all such matters to the states.

Presumably, in those states, an Orthodox Russian priest may advocate for what he thinks best; so can a Roman Catholic, an agnostic, a Methodist, a Jew. Then people vote, either for the law or for their representative, etc.

My point is the Orthodox Russian priest, in America, would be perfectly appropriate in advocating for a dress code in his state. The fact that his opinion stems from his religious belief is not germane.


51 posted on 01/18/2011 9:37:51 PM PST by Persevero (Homeschooling for Excellence since 1992)
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To: DesertRhino

“The answer is this,, we do not codify religious belief into law.”

No, the answer is, all law is codified religious belief of one type or the other.

And the religious of all stripes can advocate for the laws they want, in our system, freely and without apology.


52 posted on 01/18/2011 9:39:14 PM PST by Persevero (Homeschooling for Excellence since 1992)
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To: Persevero
The original point wasa that the moral fiber of Russia has many bigger problems for this priest's attention than miniskirts. Alcohol strikes me as a core issue because whatever else he wants to preach might be more effective with a sober congregation and its abuse in Russia is so widespread.
53 posted on 01/19/2011 4:41:02 AM PST by muir_redwoods (Obama. Chauncey Gardiner without the homburg.)
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To: muir_redwoods

‘The original point wasa that the moral fiber of Russia has many bigger problems for this priest’s attention than miniskirts. Alcohol strikes me as a core issue because whatever else he wants to preach might be more effective with a sober congregation and its abuse in Russia is so widespread.’

Exactly, skirt is the least of problems for Church to bother.


54 posted on 01/20/2011 12:16:54 AM PST by cunning_fish
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