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To: jazusamo

Someone should tell Conyers that it isn’t the “good and Welfare clause”; it’s the “Good and Plenty” clause.


2 posted on 01/19/2011 7:14:33 PM PST by achilles2000 ("I'll agree to save the whales as long as we can deport the liberals")
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To: achilles2000

LOL! “Good and Plenty,” I like that.


3 posted on 01/19/2011 7:15:44 PM PST by jazusamo (His [Obama's] political base---the young, the left and the thoughtless: Thomas Sowell)
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To: achilles2000
"Someone should tell Conyers that it isn’t the “good and Welfare clause”; it’s the “Good and Plenty” clause."


9 posted on 01/19/2011 7:24:20 PM PST by traditional1 ("Don't gotsta worry 'bout no mo'gage, don't gotsta worry 'bout no gas; Obama gonna take care o' me!)
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To: achilles2000; jazusamo

Good And Plenty AKA "Freebies For All" Clause

OTOH, Article I, Section 8 "lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts, and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common defense and general Welfare of the United States," has all too often changed the 'general Welfare of the United States' into meaning 'the general welfare of the Citizens of the United States'.

That, to me, is a very perverted way of reading it.

27 posted on 01/19/2011 8:11:15 PM PST by ApplegateRanch (Made in America, by proud American citizens, in 1946.)
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RE> Before Obamacare was passed with its mandate forcing individuals to buy government-approved health-insurance plans, the federal government had never before ordered Americans to buy any good or service, according to the Congressional Budget Office.

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But that same federal government, without any ability of the individual to respectfully decline, FORCES the payment of a fixed percentage of every single paycheck and pretends they are putting it in a special stash to dole back out in retirement in what they call ‘social security’ checks, which is just another of many unsustainable welfare schemes. As my small mind understands it, I and every employer I’ve had have been ORDERED to buy ‘social security insurance’ from this federal government every week since the first week I’ve worked. Oddly enough, that’s been 1,776 weeks now. Every dime that this government ‘gives’ to someone, it has taken from someone else. It is STILL not enough and it will NEVER be enough. Maybe Mr. Conyers has FINALLY read the HC Bill, but I seriously doubt his claim that he’s read and understands the US Constitution. All of the examples he gave also have no basis in the US Constitution, but I think I saw most of it somewhere in a communist constitution I once read. Perhaps he’s confusing his constitutions or, more likely, intentionally bankrupting the children of his constituents. This never ends with these people with socialist beliefs. The previous generational ripoff becomes the next generation’s excuse to further ripoff the ones to follow, because it’s all working out so well, for them. Only those we the people empower can rip off us and our children with no crime having being committed by those who write the laws. Yet this federal government racket is no less corrupt, and so much more lucrative than all mobster enterprises combined. There must be a lawyer somewhere who can stop this criminal enterprise called federal government from continually expanding how deeply they can borrow to further reach into our kid’s pockets to repay. I must have mistakenly believed that it was the US Constitution that protected each individual from that very outcome. If not for me, then for my children, this generational theft must ALL be repealed as it is ALL very much unconstitutional. Mr. Conyers will no doubt soon be voting to raise the federal government debt limit once designed to prevent economically devastating DEBT! It’s about the DEBT Mr. Conyers! Look at the rate of the accumulation of mandated DEBT Sir! This really can’t end well with such jack wagons in positions of ever increasing power.


28 posted on 01/19/2011 8:55:33 PM PST by ri4dc (Cut your cable, Break Wind for the TSA, Flush Twice in 2012, and STOP ROTUS Now!)
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