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Grade school teacher tells student "go shoot yourself" (Gets reprimand, apologizes, moves on)
WWMT ^ | 1/20/11

Posted on 01/21/2011 5:58:39 AM PST by Libloather

Grade school teacher tells student "go shoot yourself"
January 20, 2011 10:02 PM

LAWTON, Mich. (NEWSCHANNEL 3) – A veteran Lawton Public Schools teacher is coming under fire.

In the middle of class Mary Botas told one of her students to “go shoot yourself.”

**SNIP**

“I had her as a teacher when I was in school,” said Pam. “I had no problem with her then.”

However, no one, not even Botas feels that in any way excuses or justifies her comments in class.

“She was very upset that she had reacted the way she had,” said Trimboli. “She was remorseful, she was tearful when she was sharing with me.”

Trimboli says Botas apologized to Nathan and his class, but has not apologized to Nathan's parents.

Trimboli also says with Botas' record, there is very little chance she'll be fired. Since she is tenured, the firing process could cost the school $80,000 to $120,000 in legal fees. However if a similar incident were to happen again, suspension or termination is very possible.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: school; shoot; student; teacher
Civility.
1 posted on 01/21/2011 5:58:45 AM PST by Libloather
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To: Libloather

what context? a metaphor for some self defeating habit of the student?


2 posted on 01/21/2011 6:00:31 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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To: Libloather

“the firing process could cost the school $80,000 to $120,000 in legal fees”

Expensive as that is, I will bet it is cheaper than paying her a pension for life will be.


3 posted on 01/21/2011 6:00:43 AM PST by jospehm20
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To: Libloather

Well, as a teacher, she couldn’t say “go f*** yourself.” Another euphemism was needed.


4 posted on 01/21/2011 6:05:25 AM PST by Pearls Before Swine (/s, in case you need to ask)
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To: Libloather
For crying out loud! In what context did she say this?

It seems to me that this is a case of no harm, no foul.

5 posted on 01/21/2011 6:06:07 AM PST by basil (It's time to rid the country of "Gun Free Zones" aka "Killing Fields")
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To: Libloather

I say ‘knock yourself out’ all the time, even to TSA agents who want to snoop through my personal effects.

Will I now be charged with inciting others to harm themselves?


6 posted on 01/21/2011 6:08:52 AM PST by relictele
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To: Libloather

What if she had said “Go abort yourself”?


7 posted on 01/21/2011 6:12:49 AM PST by Paladin2
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To: Libloather

That teacher has no business working with kids.

She needs to be out of the classroom.


8 posted on 01/21/2011 6:17:48 AM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: jospehm20
“the firing process could cost the school $80,000 to $120,000 in legal fees”

Holy crap! It doesn't cost a business a dime. They throw your stuff in a box, and kick your ass out the door.

9 posted on 01/21/2011 6:19:34 AM PST by Cobra64
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To: basil

It’s not harmless.

My son had a friend do just that a week ago.

The kids are devastated.


10 posted on 01/21/2011 6:20:37 AM PST by GatorGirl (Eschew Socialism!)
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To: basil

“No harm?” Please tell me you didn’t mean this. Do you have an 11 year old? Would you want your 11 year old to be told this by his teacher in front of everyone?

Teachers are there to teach, protect, lead. This teacher acted in a malicious manner and injured the child.

I remember a French teacher calling a student “bit8h” in high school. He should have been fired. We were all completely stunned, flabbergasted. He had no right or cause. He was the adult in the situation and he blew it.

I will never forget how awful I felt and I wasn’t even the one who got cursed.

For that matter, all the kids in the class were injured when this teacher did what she did.


11 posted on 01/21/2011 6:21:41 AM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: GatorGirl


We are from the Teacher's Union, Nothing to see here folks, move along....
12 posted on 01/21/2011 6:22:29 AM PST by WaterBoard
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To: Libloather

Of course, if the child actually shoots himself it will clearly be Sarah Palin’s fault.

Tenure needs to be abolished.


13 posted on 01/21/2011 6:24:52 AM PST by Above My Pay Grade
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To: Libloather
"Since she is tenured, the firing process could cost the school $80,000 to $120,000 in legal fees."

Isn't "firing" in itself a term that connotes violence?

14 posted on 01/21/2011 6:25:39 AM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: Libloather

In ‘63 Mrs Cutcher would say stuff like that while laughing at the class idiot. No one thought anything of it.


15 posted on 01/21/2011 6:26:03 AM PST by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are at your door! How will you answer the knock?)
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To: Libloather

Haven’t any of you seen the based on true story film “Lean on Me,” where principal Joe Clark takes the kid up to the roof of the school and says, “Go on, boy! Jump!”?


16 posted on 01/21/2011 6:34:37 AM PST by sand lake bar
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To: GatorGirl; basil

Context is everything. Did the teacher instruct him to do this? Probably not. NO one said suicide was harmless. What we have now are a bunch of whiners that are not taught to deal with LIFE. Not everyone will be kind nor is everyone your friend. Kids are not taught to pick themselves up and go on. Perseverance is a dirty word and Mom and Dad sue and complain. Kids don’t commit suicide because the teacher said something mean. If they do they had MUCH bigger problems going on. Remember “sticks and stones”?


17 posted on 01/21/2011 6:40:31 AM PST by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are at your door! How will you answer the knock?)
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To: Libloather
Sometimes things said in jest or lightly take on different meanings later. Buddy Holly told Waylon Jennings that he hoped he'd freeze on the bus and Waylon told Buddy he hoped his airplane crashed. Eight hours later Buddy was dead. This haunted Waylon the rest of his life.

A friend of mine told another that it'd be a quicker death by just taking a gun and shooting himself than it'd be taking the drugs he was taking...four hours later the person was dead with a self inflicted gunshot wound to the head. This guy has to live with this the rest of his life...not his fault but nevertheless the guilt is there.

18 posted on 01/21/2011 6:42:38 AM PST by vetvetdoug
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To: Libloather
Vitriol-dictorian.


Frowning takes 68 muscles.
Smiling takes 6.
Pulling this trigger takes 2.
I'm lazy.

19 posted on 01/21/2011 6:53:57 AM PST by The Comedian ("Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice" - B. Goldwater)
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To: basil
For crying out loud! In what context did she say this? It seems to me that this is a case of no harm, no foul.

Under the zero tolerance laws, if a student had said that to the teacher, the student would have been expelled and sent to juvenile hall and the parent's house searched and all weapons (even steak knives) would have been confiscated and the kid placed in a Foster home.

20 posted on 01/21/2011 6:58:53 AM PST by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: Libloather

If the kid said something like that to his teacher, he would be in juvy by now.


21 posted on 01/21/2011 7:30:01 AM PST by goldi (')
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To: Libloather

The teacher needs to experience the same treatment as kids who have been susupended for drawing a gun, pointing fingers like a gun, etc. They want to be PC? It works both ways, or should.

Suspension, forfeiture of some $$, let’s make this equitable. Do this enough and some school administrators might start thinking, naw, I must be dreaming.


22 posted on 01/21/2011 7:33:12 AM PST by brushcop (CW4 Matthew Lourey CW2 Joshua Scott/ Kiowa pilots KIA Iraq '05. Thank you for our son's life.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

To me, context is everything. The kids in the class were “rowdy” and wouldn’t settle down. One boy complained he couldn’t do his art work because his fingers were hurting. The teacher then replied, “go shoot yourself”. IMHO a simple “don’t say this again” is suffice. My own parents would say “cry me a river” when we complained about stupid stuff. Just a different sort of saying in a way. Just a thought.


23 posted on 01/21/2011 8:12:22 AM PST by momtothree
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To: vetvetdoug

Some things just happen that way. Once I told a young fellow at the plant where I worked that he had better watch out. He was bragging about how fast his new Chevy would run. I told him that one day he would be scraped off the side of a big Oak tree if he didn’t stop trying to see how fast his car would run. What happened? I am sure I don’t have to tell you.


24 posted on 01/21/2011 11:12:21 AM PST by RipSawyer (Trying to reason with a liberal is like teaching algebra to a tomcat.)
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To: Libloather
Well, once upon a time when I was but a young teacher and still feeling my oats as an army officer (then in the reserves, still) I had a mealy mouthed punk at the first inner city school where I worked say to me: Hey DUDE... why you so MEAN? To which I instantly replied: Hey DUDE, I'll try being nicer if you'll try being SMARTER. DUDE? No sweat then, except a lot of class laughter.
25 posted on 01/21/2011 1:15:37 PM PST by ExSoldier (Life without God is like an unsharpened pencil: It has no point.)
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To: P-Marlowe
We have zero tolerance, too. But I guess nobody told the punk that jumped a math teacher in my school a couple of years ago right outside his classroom. Busted the teachers jaw in three places. He never returned to the profession and he was a GOOD teacher! His attacker? Placed on outdoor suspension. Any of you guys who wanna walk a mile in my shoes, just come on over. I've had my life threatened innumerable times and I've also been swung on several times in my 22 + year career so far. After the math teacher had his jaw busted, my students asked me if I was now "afraid" to come to work. I replied in a tired voice thusly: "Look son, I'm too young to die and too old to take an A$$ whuppin' so... I'm just gonna kill ya!" They all whispered: Yeah, we sorta figured you'd say that. But all my classes fill first and I have been a social studies Teacher of the Year, so I guess I'm still at the top of my game.
26 posted on 01/21/2011 1:31:19 PM PST by ExSoldier (Life without God is like an unsharpened pencil: It has no point.)
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