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The Coming Doctor Shortage (We can't insure 32 million more and cut funding to train doctors )
Wall Street Journal ^ | 01/19/2011 | Herbert Pardes

Posted on 01/26/2011 7:01:41 AM PST by SeekAndFind

As they celebrate their 65th birthdays at the rate of 10,000 a day, Baby Boomers are now approaching the stage of their lives when they will need more medical care. But they—along with everyone else—are going to have a hard time getting appointments.

The doctor shortage was fostered in 1996 when Congress capped the number of new doctors Medicare would pay to train, a practice that continues to this day. Teaching hospitals, which now make up about 10% of hospitals nationwide, depend on those Medicare funds to pay about two-thirds of the cost of doctor-training. (Training costs include residents' salaries, malpractice insurance, equipment, the extra time that teaching procedures add to patient care, as well as the added costs associated with caring for the sickest patients.)

Recently, the President's National Commission on Fiscal Responsibility and Reform proposed cutting Medicare funding to train doctors even further, by $60 billion through 2020. If this cut is enacted, the doctor shortage would get far worse.

Training new doctors has substantial costs because of all they must learn and how carefully they must be supervised. Without Medicare reimbursements, many hospitals could not afford to maintain these critical training programs. Already, 30% of hospitals lose money, according to the American Hospital Association, and even more barely break even. Across the country, demand for doctors exceeds supply.

The numbers are striking.

Health-care reform will add an estimated 32 million people to the ranks of the insured, driving them to seek medical attention that in the past they may have avoided due to expense. The aging population will also create much greater demand. The number of seniors who need more medical care is expected to soar to 72 million by 2020—nearly double today's number.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: doctor; healthinsurance; obamacare; shortage

1 posted on 01/26/2011 7:01:46 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

To keep pace with doctor demand, the U.S. will need to train an additional 6,000 to 8,000 each year for the next 20 years.
2 posted on 01/26/2011 7:02:52 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

We don’t need to train new doctors, just continue to import them from the third world in bigger numbers. They already make up almost a quarter of our new doctors now.


3 posted on 01/26/2011 7:07:13 AM PST by kabar
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To: SeekAndFind

The simple solution for government bureaucrats is that as Baby Boomers qualify for Medicare, ninety+-year-olds have to get off. There are several ways to arrange this. The most politically acceptable is to ration care by not giving them doctors’ appointments. This is the long-range government health care solution for which articles such as this one are preparing us.


4 posted on 01/26/2011 7:09:01 AM PST by kittymyrib
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To: SeekAndFind

How ObamaCare Guts Medicare
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703649004575437311393854940.html?mod=WSJ_Opinion_LEFTTopOpinion

WSJ projects an $8 TRILLION GUT over the next 20 years if DEATHCARE is not repealed.

Medicare currently only pay’s penny’s on the $$. More and more doc will dump Medicare patients. More docs will retire as mine plans to do rather than practice under DEATHCARE, he could easily practice 10 more years.


5 posted on 01/26/2011 7:09:29 AM PST by GailA (2012 rally cry DEMOCRATS and RINOS are BAD for the USA!)
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To: kabar

Muslims.


6 posted on 01/26/2011 7:11:50 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a (de)humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Why should Medicare fund the training of doctors? That is a EDUCATION issue.


7 posted on 01/26/2011 7:13:02 AM PST by GailA (2012 rally cry DEMOCRATS and RINOS are BAD for the USA!)
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To: SeekAndFind

“don’t cut my program!”

Pay for your own education! jeesh.


8 posted on 01/26/2011 7:14:33 AM PST by GeronL (http://www.stink-eye.net/forum/index.php)
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To: SeekAndFind

Cut ‘funding to pay for new doctors’?? On Free Republic? Really?


9 posted on 01/26/2011 7:15:54 AM PST by perfect_rovian_storm (The worst is behind us. Unfortunately it is really well endowed.)
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To: SeekAndFind

To say we are added 32 million people to the heath care system you must assume that all 32 million have no heath care at all now. We know this is not true. There is a need for more medical people but, We need to use the same numbers when we are talking about Obama care and the need for for doctors. Not to do so puts us on the same level as TV talking heads and democratic pundits.


10 posted on 01/26/2011 7:20:20 AM PST by ThomasThomas (If bacon grew on trees my dog would be a vegetarian.)
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To: kabar
We don’t need to train new doctors, just continue to import them from the third world in bigger numbers. They already make up almost a quarter of our new doctors now.

Well, if you come to New York City, you will see a lot of Nurses from the Philippines, Sri Lanka and other countries.

All they have to do is pass the exams and they're licenesed nurses.

I even know of some doctors from the Philippines who passed the nursing exams to practice as NURSES here ( they make more as nurses in the USA than as doctors in the Philippines ).

So, yes, that trend will accelerate because :

1) It's getting too expensive to train as a doctor.

2) The country is flat broke and there's very little aid left for our high school grads who want to be doctors to tap.

3) It's getting too expensive to maintain a practice.
11 posted on 01/26/2011 7:24:24 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: GeronL

RE: Pay for your own education! jeesh.


From Forbes :

http://www.forbes.com/2008/05/05/physicians-training-prospects-lead-careers-cx_tw_0505doctors.html

The Association of American Medical Colleges projects that America needs a 30% annual increase in medical-school enrollment in order to keep up with need for doctors. In 2012, compared with 2002, medical-school enrollment will be up 21%.

But for potential physicians, there is a future of looming medical-school debt, which is higher than ever. Students who graduate from a public medical school have a median debt of $100,000; private-school students graduate with a median debt of $135,000, according to a 2003 study by the Association of American Medical Colleges.

Compare that with 1984, when median debt for public-school graduates was $22,000 and private-school students was $27,000.

Monthly payment on a debt of $150,000 at the end of residency at an interest rate of 2.8% is $1,761, according to the study.

The amount of time it takes to pay off debt depends on the specialty. The average physician’s net income, adjusted for inflation, declined 7% between 1995 and 2003, according to the Center for Studying Health System Change. In order to enter the most lucrative specialties, like radiology, ophthalmology, anesthesiology and dermatology, doctors must continue with their training into their 30s. That means they can’t start chipping away at their debt—let alone make money—until a time by which their counterparts in law or business are usually prospering.

Meanwhile, getting sued by a patient is a major concern. Of course, doctors who make fatal mistakes and who are unqualified should be held responsible. But there’s evidence that the bulk of lawsuits brought are frivolous. Of all malpractice lawsuits brought to jury trial in 2004, the defendant won 91% of the time. Only 6% of all lawsuits go to trial; those that aren’t thrown out are settled. Only 27% of all claims made against doctors result in money awarded to the plaintiff, according to Smarr, president of the trade association for medical malpractice companies.

Regardless, doctors need to defend themselves against the possibility of damages—and that’s an extremely expensive proposition. It takes about four-and-a-half years from the start of a lawsuit to the end, and the average cost to the defense in legal fees was $94,284 in 2004, according to the American Medical Association.


12 posted on 01/26/2011 7:28:21 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Well, they don’t INTEND for Doc to treat patients.
It is their intention to have BUREAUCRATS DETERMINE TREATMENT OF PATIENTS. That’t easy to figure out.


13 posted on 01/26/2011 7:30:08 AM PST by Marty62 (Marty 60)
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To: SeekAndFind

0bamacare incentivizes less care and of course fewer providers means less access, less care and lower total expenditures. Importing doctors and other providers is also much less expensive than publicly financed training programs. Unfortunately their training is less rigorous than US doctors. But form the Left’s point of view, they will be easier to control.
A glut of foreign doctors will also lower physician and provider salaries which will further dissuade US citizens from entering the field. Eventually though, even foreign doctors will not want to come here.


14 posted on 01/26/2011 7:38:09 AM PST by grumpygresh (Democrats delenda est)
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To: SeekAndFind

Obama does NOT want American doctors.
He wants imported Islamic “doctors”
who will gladly kill non-Moslems for his 57 states.


15 posted on 01/26/2011 7:45:36 AM PST by Diogenesis (Si vis pacem, para bellum)
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To: kabar
We don’t need to train new doctors, just continue to import them from the third world in bigger numbers. They already make up almost a quarter of our new doctors now.

They tried this in England...doctors that treat patients in the morning and tried to blow up an airport in the afternoon. They failed because their propane cylinders failed to blow up. Probably didn't learn enough about blowing things up in medical school.

16 posted on 01/26/2011 7:48:41 AM PST by Voltage
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17 posted on 01/26/2011 7:49:47 AM PST by kabar
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To: Voltage

The UK and and Europe have tried many things that don’t work, including socialized medicine. It doesn’t seem to deter or political class from imitating them expecting different results.


18 posted on 01/26/2011 7:52:26 AM PST by kabar
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To: SeekAndFind
cut funding to train doctors

But we can RAISE funding FOR train ENGINEERS. Thanks to his promise of "a high speed train in every spot."

19 posted on 01/26/2011 8:33:19 AM PST by Right Wing Assault (Our Constitution: the new Inconvenient Truth)
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To: SeekAndFind
"To keep pace with doctor demand, the U.S. will need to train an additional 6,000 to 8,000 each year for the next 20 years. "

"To keep pace with doctor demand, the U.S. will need to train an additional 6,000 to 8,000 physician assistants and nurse practicioners each year for the next 20 years. "

There I fixed it. I think PA's and LNP's are great and in many cases are perfectly adequate for routine needs. However they are not physicians. While they must be supervised by an MD or DO now, in future they will be your only provider. BTW that word "provider" has always bugged me. That was intentional to change the way we look at our "caregiver"! No longer do you see a "Doctor" but a "provider" or "caregiver" who can be anything the government ministry of truth determines is best for you.

20 posted on 01/26/2011 10:14:54 AM PST by strongbow
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