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Taking Back the Commerce Clause in Virginia [Virginia House Rejects Federal Commerce Power, 65-33]
Tenth Amendment Center ^ | 01-26-11 | Michael Boldin

Posted on 01/26/2011 11:55:38 AM PST by RepublicnotaDemocracy

Today, the Virginia House of Delegates overwhelmingly passed House Bill 1438 (HB1438), the Intrastate Commerce Act. The bill, “Provides that all goods produced or manufactured within the Commonwealth, when such goods are held, retained, or maintained in the Commonwealth, shall not be subject to federal law, federal regulation, or the constitutional power of the United States Congress to regulate interstate commerce.”

The vote was 65-33.

For decades, using a tortured definition of “interstate commerce,” Congress has claimed the authority to regulate, control, ban, or mandate virtually everything – from wheat grown on one’s own land for personal consumption, to weed grown in an individual’s own home for the same purpose, to guns manufactured, sold and kept in state boundaries, and everything in between. And, unfortunately, the Supreme Court has largely condoned and even encouraged such reprehensible legislative behavior.

But today, Virginia is once again leading the way in saying “Back Off” to the feds – by standing up for the Constitution as the founders gave it to us.

(Excerpt) Read more at blog.tenthamendmentcenter.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Front Page News; News/Current Events; US: Virginia
KEYWORDS: 10thamendment; constitution; donttreadonme; federalism; interstatecommerce; justwannagethigh; mcdonnell; nullification; statesovereignty; statesrights; va; vageneralassembly; virginia
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To: Realism
The article referenced Randy Barnett. In "Restoring the Lost Constitution," Barnett explains in detail how to properly understand the commerce clause and many others.

We will not return our country to constitutional government overnight. It will require a continual assault at all levels, including especially, the states. Good on VA!

81 posted on 01/26/2011 2:54:00 PM PST by Jacquerie (We are not governed, we are ruled.)
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To: SlaveNoMore

This is the same John Warner who married Elizabeth Taylor?

No accounting for good sense or taste, I see.


82 posted on 01/26/2011 3:10:39 PM PST by ridesthemiles
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To: RepublicnotaDemocracy

Don’t break out the champagne yet. This still has to get through our wretched state Senate.


83 posted on 01/26/2011 3:35:54 PM PST by RKBA Democrat (Palin 2012: Renew, Revive, and Restore)
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To: majstoll

Ping-a-ling. Seen this one? Thoughts?


84 posted on 01/26/2011 3:38:46 PM PST by RKBA Democrat (Palin 2012: Renew, Revive, and Restore)
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To: BuckeyeTexan

LOL!


85 posted on 01/26/2011 3:52:07 PM PST by P8riot (I carry a gun because I can't carry a cop.....Eagle Scout since Sep 9, 1970)
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To: RepublicnotaDemocracy

That’s something incredible to behold, but will it become law in VA?


86 posted on 01/26/2011 4:14:50 PM PST by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: ScottinVA
.The contingent of Federal troops was met and repelled on the northern outskirts of Richmond County by a well-armed 150,000-strong blend of volunteer militias and Virginia National Guardsmen, who outflanked the Federals from all sides.

You are talking about the Feds, right?

They only attack the helpless and those who won't fight back. Fe'ral agents still want to go home and eventually enjoy that lavish pension.

87 posted on 01/26/2011 5:23:45 PM PST by The Theophilus
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To: RepublicnotaDemocracy
SIC SEMPER TYRANNIS
Sic semper tyrannis is a Latin phrase meaning "thus always to tyrants." It is sometimes mistranslated as "death to tyrants" or "down with the tyrant." The phrase is said to have originated with Marcus Junius Brutus during the assassination of Julius Caesar. It is the official motto of the Commonwealth of Virginia.
88 posted on 01/26/2011 6:30:34 PM PST by VirginiaGent
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To: sonofagun

>If this bill is enacted, wouldn’t that de-claw the US Supreme Court since they, being the federal government, would no longer have jurisdiction?

Blaise Pascal said — “It is not permitted to the most equitable of men to be a judge in his own cause.”

That being said, I *HIGHLY* doubt the USSC [US Supreme Court] would allow this to stand: it is far too much of a reduction of their own powers. Given that there are *many* people who believe that the Constitution says whatever the USSC says it says — that is that the Constitution is subordinate to the USSC — there is a good chance that they could get away with it as well.


89 posted on 01/26/2011 6:52:56 PM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Realism

1 — Makes it perfectly legal to machine & sell fully-automatic firearms w/i VA.
2 — Cuts the EPA’s mandates to virtually noting.
3 — Pokes a *BIG* stick into the federal government’s eye.


90 posted on 01/26/2011 7:01:43 PM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: 668 - Neighbor of the Beast

Try it. “Sic Semper tyrannus” is carved in stone on our state buildings.


91 posted on 01/26/2011 8:40:23 PM PST by When do we get liberated? (A socialist is a communist who realizes he must suck at the tit of Capitalism.)
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To: indthkr; 17th Miss Regt; 2001convSVT; 2ndDivisionVet; A_Former_Democrat; A_Tradition_Continues; ...
You've asked a question that IMHO goes to the original intent of the "commerce clause". It was never intended to regulate everything that crosses state lines or anywhere else for that matter. It was included as a tool for the feral government to use to make sure the several states made nice with each other. For example, Texas cannot legitimately put a tariff, tax or other fee on gas they refine and pipe to, say, New York City if that same charge is not on local gas. On the other hand, New York City can't add charges to, well, whatever it is they make up there and send out of state. Agricultural products might be a better example.

I have mixed feelings about this effort by Virginny if it's intended to be an end in itself. By doing so, and IMHO, they cede the ground that the feral government has the powers to regulate EVERYTHING else. Something our Founders NEVER envisioned. If this is just a first step towards a larger purpose, it might be worth it.

Thoughts from the group???

92 posted on 01/26/2011 8:42:32 PM PST by ForGod'sSake (You have just two choices: SUBMIT or RESIST with everything you've got!)
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To: ScottinVA

Depends what way Norfolk, Quantico, Lee, A.P Hill and Oceana swing...Virginia could probably invade a European country of your choice.


93 posted on 01/26/2011 8:50:38 PM PST by When do we get liberated? (A socialist is a communist who realizes he must suck at the tit of Capitalism.)
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To: thesearethetimes...

Agreed


94 posted on 01/26/2011 8:55:46 PM PST by HANG THE EXPENSE (Life is tough.It's tougher when you're stupid.)
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To: ForGod'sSake

You hit on all the salient points. Getting us started in the right direction cannot be a bad thing.


95 posted on 01/26/2011 8:59:08 PM PST by Dead Corpse (III%. The last line in the sand)
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To: RepublicnotaDemocracy

Great idea, but we keep getting excited here about some bill that passes ONE CHAMBER of a state’s government, only to see it flounder and die in the other chamber. [Arizona for example]

Let us know when it is ready for the Gov’s signature


96 posted on 01/26/2011 9:23:09 PM PST by Future Useless Eater (Chicago politics = corrupted capitalism = takeover by COMMUNity-ISM)
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To: RepublicnotaDemocracy

This has probably been mentioned already, but would that include firearms, ammunition and attachments? I’m just getting to this thread now.


97 posted on 01/26/2011 11:30:57 PM PST by wastedyears (It has nothing to do with safety, and everything to do with control.)
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To: Dead Corpse
The Courts and the Commerce Clause: Obliterating Original Intent
by D.T. Armentano, Mises.org

Article one Section 8 of the U S Constitution states that the “congress shall have the power to regulate commerce among the several states….” This so-called “commerce clause” is the legal bedrock for all federal regulation of business activity that crosses state lines. Every piece of federal economic regulation from the Sherman Antitrust Act (1890) to all of the 1930s New Deal securities and banking law has been rationalized (made “constitutional”) by reference to the commerce clause.

In Wickard v. Filburn (1942) , the Supreme Court expanded the original interpretation of the commerce clause to cover intrastate economic activity that was said to “affect” interstate commerce. Wickard grew wheat for his own consumption but the court reasoned that the wheat locally consumed could, theoretically, have been sold in interstate commerce; so when Wickard “withdrew” that wheat and consumed it, output and prices in interstate commerce were affected.

Hence the Feds could regulate locally grown wheat and the legislation that prescribed that was constitutional. The “logic” of Wickard obliterated two original and important constitutional principles, namely (1) that the states can regulate their own commerce, not the Feds and (2) that the federal Constitution embodies only limited and clearly enumerated powers.

Wickard substantiated the notion that the Feds could now regulate ANY economic activity (with little resistance from individuals or the states) since almost ANY good or service produced and consumed locally could, at least theoretically, affect interstate commerce.

We have all lived in a post-Wickard regulatory world ever since. So in some sense, the medical marijuana case decided June 6th, 2005 (Gonzales v Raich, et al..) in favor of the government (6-3) was an easy slam dunk (see also S. Kinsella’s post on the topic).

Reich and the other defendants in California grew marijuana for their own consumption but the majority asserted, following Wickard, that such private activity “affected” interstate commerce and, thus, could be regulated (prohibited) by the federal Controlled Substances Act (CSA), regardless of California state law which allowed (with supervision) such activity. If you don’t like the decision, the majority suggested, get the votes and attempt to change the federal drug laws.

There are many problems with the majority opinion written by Justice Stevens. The most obvious is the continued acceptance of the logic of Wickard. As Justice Thomas argues in his brilliant dissent, if growing 6 marijuana plants on your own property for your own consumption is “economic activity” that can “affect” interstate commerce, then there is absolutely nothing under the economic sun (including pot luck dinners) that cannot be regulated by the federal congress. But, clearly, that was not the intent of the framers of the Constitution.

But even more fundamentally, the Commerce Clause itself was never meant by the Founders to be a blank check for “command and control” economic regulation. Indeed, the economic purpose of Article one Section 8 was almost precisely the opposite of the conventional explanation accepted by the majority in this case.

The original intent of the Commerce Clause was to make “normal” or “regular” commerce between the states; thus it was designed to promote trade and exchange not restrict it. Further, it was specifically aimed at preventing the states from enacting impediments to the free flow of “commerce” such as tariffs, quotas and taxes.
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And since the explicit language of the CSA, like all economic regulation, interferes with the free flow of commerce, it is inherently antithetical to the original intent of the Commerce Clause. (Whether the law could be legitimized by reference to the “police powers” of the state is another matter).

The commerce clause was never meant to prohibit sick individuals from consuming plants grown on their own property. Yet to acknowledge that fact, the Supreme Court majority would have had to rethink the core principles of individual liberty and the entire legal foundations of our regulatory society. And that they chose not to do.

Dominick T. Armentano is professor emeritus at the University of Hartford, an adjunct scholar of the Mises Institute, a member of the editorial board of the Quarterly Journal of Austrian Economics, and author of Antitrust and Monopoly: Anatomy of a Policy Failure and Antitrust: The Case for Repeal

Copyright Mises Institute, Licensed under Creative Commons Attribution 3.0


98 posted on 01/26/2011 11:35:00 PM PST by ForGod'sSake
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To: ForGod'sSake

My understanding is the same as yours. The commerce clause was intended to promote free trade among the states. It was never intended to be a tool used to expand the power of the Federal Government.


99 posted on 01/27/2011 1:32:18 AM PST by Enterprise (TSA - The Silly Agency)
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To: EdReform

I neglected to thank you for the ping to this thread so, thanks! ;^) The fire of freedom in America has almost gone out. With some kindling and stoking, maybe we will see it burning brightly once again. God be with us.


100 posted on 01/27/2011 4:22:59 AM PST by ForGod'sSake
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