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Sens. Paul, Vitter introduce citizenship resolution
The Hill ^ | Jan. 27, 2011 | Daniel Strauss

Posted on 01/27/2011 11:49:26 AM PST by Free ThinkerNY

Two Republican senators are introducing a resolution that would end the constitutional right to citizenship that comes with being born on U.S. soil.

Rand Paul (Ky.) and David Vitter (La.) are introducing a resolution this week that would amend the Constitution so that a person born in the United States could only become an American citizen if one or more of his or her parents is an legal citizen, legal immigrant, or member of the armed forces, according to a joint press release Thursday.

Vitter said the legislation would help reduce illegal immigration.

“For too long, our nation has seen an influx of illegal aliens entering our country at an escalating rate, and chain migration is a major contributor to this rapid increase – which is only compounded when the children of illegal aliens born in the U.S. are granted automatic citizenship,” Vitter said. “Closing this loophole will not prevent them from becoming citizens, but will ensure that they have to go through the same process as anyone else who wants to become an American citizen.”

Paul said the legislation enforces the current immigration rules.

(Excerpt) Read more at thehill.com ...


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KEYWORDS: 14th; aliens; anchor; anchorbaby; babies; birthright; border; borncitizen; broke; citizen; citzenship; debt; illegals; naturalizedatbirth; paul; randpaul; vitter
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Is an Amendment to the Constitution really necessary to fix this? Or could we do the same thing with a simple, one-sentence act of Congress that clarifies the clause in question?

The 14th Amendment states “... and subject to the jurisdiction thereof ...” which pretty much eliminates illegal aliens, IMHO. If the illegal alien parents are “subject to the jurisdiction” of the United States, then require all of them to report to their nearest courthouse, first thing tomorrow morning.

What’s that you say? They won’t appear because they’ll be subject to immediate arrest and deportation? Well then they obviously aren’t “subject to the jurisdiction” of the United States. Neither are their kids, ipso facto.

I don’t think it’s necessary to go through the whole Amendment rigamarole for a simple clarification. And if the Supreme Court rejects the clarification, screw ‘em. The states are the final arbiter of Constitutionality, not the court.


21 posted on 01/27/2011 12:33:47 PM PST by DNME (With the sound of distant drums ... something wicked this way comes.)
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To: Dick Bachert
A prime technique for bringing down an existing social order is to OVERLOAD and OVERWHELM the governmental systems, creating economic and social chaos.

That is at the heart of what America and the world is facing. That view requires constant publication and an effective response.

The world is watching a race between the socialists (et al) and the moslems, anti-Americans and anti-freedom lovers all. Each movement is using population bombs and it does not presently appear there is any effort to slow or stop them.

22 posted on 01/27/2011 12:37:03 PM PST by frog in a pot (We need a working definition of "domestic enemies" if the oath of office is to have meaning.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
Arizona lawmakers to file 4 birthright bills

Can't post the article due to copyright issues. Protestors already screaming...Arizona will now be known nationwide for persecuting illegals...OH! WAIT!

23 posted on 01/27/2011 12:37:51 PM PST by greyfoxx39 ("Journalists" see no problem with fueling a mass panic over our "political discourse.")
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To: Free ThinkerNY

This could put a stop to Chinese baby tourism...Chinese couples actually book trips here so that their children can be born in the US and get citizenship. They only stay a week or two.


24 posted on 01/27/2011 12:47:02 PM PST by livius
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To: johngalt42
“...No Bill of Attainder or ex post facto Law shall be passed.”

Yes I know, I was being facetious.....though Clinton got away with it on his tax increases.

25 posted on 01/27/2011 12:48:43 PM PST by Las Vegas Ron (The Tree of Liberty did not grow from an ACORN!)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

so what happened to this one?

“Steve King Moves Forward on Bill to End Birthright Citizenship “

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2652390/posts


26 posted on 01/27/2011 12:49:23 PM PST by WOBBLY BOB ( "I don't want the majority if we don't stand for something"- Jim Demint)
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To: fireforeffect

You only need 12 states to oppose the amendment and states with little or no illegal alien problem will oppose as will states that have signifcant Hispanic populations since politicians in those states do not want to lose Hispanc votes.


27 posted on 01/27/2011 12:53:03 PM PST by trumandogz
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To: DocH
Hear, hear!

You'll notice the trolls who show up on BC threads show up on threads like these too.

Anything that might jeopardize their boy in office must be poo pooed quick.

28 posted on 01/27/2011 12:54:49 PM PST by Las Vegas Ron (The Tree of Liberty did not grow from an ACORN!)
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To: RC2

Governor Bobby Jindal’s parents were citizens of India when their son was born in the U.S., just four months after they arrived.

He is touted as being a possible Presidential candidate.


29 posted on 01/27/2011 12:55:09 PM PST by SatinDoll (NO FOREIGN NATIONALS AS OUR PRESIDENT!)
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To: pissant

Or just enforce the border and this is more or less a mute point.

“Every Person born within the limits of the United States, and subject to their jurisdiction, is by virtue of natural law and national law a citizen of the United States. This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons.”

Senator Jacob Howard,
co-author of the citizenship clause of the 14th Amendment, 1866.

http://towncriernews.blogspot.com/search?q=jacob+howard


30 posted on 01/27/2011 12:55:26 PM PST by WOBBLY BOB ( "I don't want the majority if we don't stand for something"- Jim Demint)
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To: pissant
RE :”Legislation, like that introduced in the House is the way to go. Admitting this is a constitutional problem is asinine.

We don't know for sure if this is true about Paul since it doesnt quote any of his statements, only Vitter’s. His office didnt seem to know.

I find libertarian's like Ron Paul frustrating sometimes because they seem to live in an imaginary world much like liberals do. Both deny human nature. Here's a example : Let's legalize crack and crystal meth and just let the future addicted die in the streets without any government intervention. Idea's like these come from those that live in Peter Pan imagination land. The Federal government now makes me pay to be covered for free female chest Xrays in Obama-care insurance mandate but someday drug addicts will cost taxpayers nothing when the government cuts them alloff(what about in jail??). Idiotic.

31 posted on 01/27/2011 12:59:47 PM PST by sickoflibs ("It's not the taxes, the redistribution is the federal spending=tax delayed")
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To: Free ThinkerNY

This must go deeper than just birthright citizenship. All of section 1 of the 14th amendment has been abused to impose leftist judges’ social views on the nation. A more comprehensive solution would be a constitutional amendment restoring the original meaning of section 1 of the 14th amendment as a provision meant only to prevent government-based race discrimination.

Moreover, any constitutional amendments to restore the Constitution face the hurdle of getting two-thirds vote in Congress. We must first amend the amendment process itself to eliminate the unnecessary convention now required by Article V and permit States to directly initiate amendment proposals. This will break the current de facto federal congressional and judicial monopoly on interpreting the Constitution, and permit grassroots patriots on the state level to restore the Constitution by amendment. See http://www.timelyrenewed.com


32 posted on 01/27/2011 1:00:42 PM PST by Timely Renewed (The only real solution is to restore the US Constitution)
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To: Dick Bachert
A prime technique for bringing down an existing social order is to OVERLOAD and OVERWHELM the governmental systems, creating economic and social chaos.

Well said! That is at the heart of what America and the world is facing. That view requires constant publication and a prompt, effective response.

The world is watching a race between the socialists (et al) and Islam, anti-Americans and anti-freedom lovers all. Each movement is using population bombs and it does not presently appear there is any effort to slow or stop them. In this regard, Ann Rand foresaw civilization submitting to savagery.

33 posted on 01/27/2011 1:03:47 PM PST by frog in a pot (We need a working definition of "domestic enemies" if the oath of office is to have meaning.)
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To: WOBBLY BOB

Thank you


34 posted on 01/27/2011 1:04:33 PM PST by pissant ((Bachmann 2012 - Freepmail to get on/off PING list))
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To: Free ThinkerNY

It would be about time they ended this travesty of giving citizenship to illegals.


35 posted on 01/27/2011 1:06:40 PM PST by Age of Reason
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To: sickoflibs
We don't give automatic citizenship to children of diplomats. Why is this so hard to understand?

It's a matter of ideology, not understanding (like so many other issues the courts have foisted on us).

36 posted on 01/27/2011 1:18:53 PM PST by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Budget sins can be fixed. Amnesty is irreversible.)
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas
RE :”It's a matter of ideology, not understanding (like so many other issues the courts have foisted on us).

What's Vitter and Paul's problem with this issue? Drug use?

37 posted on 01/27/2011 1:24:29 PM PST by sickoflibs ("It's not the taxes, the redistribution is the federal spending=tax delayed")
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To: SatinDoll

As the bill is written, since Jindals parents were here legally he would be a citizen.


38 posted on 01/27/2011 1:31:45 PM PST by azcap (Who is John Galt ? www.conservativeshirts.com)
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To: Las Vegas Ron

Cite clinton... if taxes can be raised retro actively... so can this!

LLS


39 posted on 01/27/2011 1:33:30 PM PST by LibLieSlayer (WOLVERINES!!!)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
The 14th Amendment is clear enough. If the parents are not "subject to the jurisdiction" of the United States, as Indians then were not (they were subject to the jurisdiction of their tribes), they are not citizens. The Supreme Court completely ignored this part of the 14th Amendment. We shouldn't have to amend the Constitution every time the Supreme Court botches a decision.
40 posted on 01/27/2011 2:09:50 PM PST by JoeFromSidney
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