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State lawmakers want Obama’s birth records (Arizona's HB2544 & Burges takes 2nd try at birther bill)
SV Herald ^ | 1/29/11 | Howard Fischer

Posted on 01/30/2011 4:01:07 PM PST by Libloather

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To: jamese777

Its a classic Saul Alinsky, “Rules for Radicals” divide and conquer technique.
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Perhaps so, but it’s a sad thing for you to have to admit that FACT about someone who’s supposed to represent ALL of the people. He’s supposed to be the president of all the people, not just those who aren’t his “enemies”. “Divide and conquer” from a person who campaigned as a great, post-racial uniter? Doesn’t that alone tell you a lot about the character of this person? Do you admire him for this?


121 posted on 01/31/2011 9:26:09 PM PST by Greenperson
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To: SvenMagnussen

“The database your relying on for SSN “facts” is full of errors.”


Where is it the “facts” are full of errors, also relating to his SSS, hmmm???

See the whole article!!!

http://obfelony.webs.com/


122 posted on 01/31/2011 9:26:25 PM PST by danamco (-)
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To: Texas Fossil

They were all “spoon-fed” by Jack Maskell’s memorandum like you see all the Holder brigade for cash eagerly posting here constantly, aka FINOs. Ignore them!!!

http://bobmccarty.com/2010/11/25/understanding-the-jack-maskell-memorandum/


123 posted on 01/31/2011 9:40:43 PM PST by danamco (-)
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To: curiosity

So Obama is eligible and has a birth certificate to PROVE it, but instead he spends millions to fight in court to prevent its disclosure, and he does this ONLY to “mess with” my head. Doesn’t that make you proud of this immature, juvenile, poor excuse for a man?

But it’s far, far worse than juvenile games worthy only of a narcissist who’s fixated about age 9.

Because he refuses to prove his eligibility by presenting the documents that he and his supporters want everyone to believe exist, he has caused to be imprisoned in Ft. Leavenworth a real man, a doctor, a patriot who has served his country well and honorably for over 17 years, and who rose through the ranks to become a Lt. Colonel—all because Obama willfully and with malice will not produce, even in secret to LTC/Dr. Lakin’s brother, the proof of his eligibility.

No, instead, he allowed the man to be stripped of his rank, to be stripped of his income and pension, and to be imprisoned in a military prison, to the detriment of not only the man himself but also his wife and three little children.

Instead of saving this man and his family by producing the proof he wants us to believe exists, he instead decides to “mess with” everyone’s head.

What a kind man. What a Christian person. What a compassionate person worthy of the office of the presidency of the United States. Aren’t you SO VERY PROUD? Can you possibly believe that the only reason he won’t show compassion to LTC Lakin is because he prefers to “mess with” everyone’s head? Next time you see Obama acting the family man, surrounded by wife and daughters, think of LTC Lakin’s wife and children.

If he can prove his eligibility, then why won’t he do so if only to show compassion to those children?


124 posted on 01/31/2011 9:50:07 PM PST by Greenperson
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To: Greenperson

Perhaps so, but it’s a sad thing for you to have to admit that FACT about someone who’s supposed to represent ALL of the people. He’s supposed to be the president of all the people, not just those who aren’t his “enemies”. “Divide and conquer” from a person who campaigned as a great, post-racial uniter? Doesn’t that alone tell you a lot about the character of this person? Do you admire him for this?


I don’t admire politicians. There are a few that I respect. But admire? Nah.

Showing a long form birth certificate will have ZERO impact on Obama becoming the president of all the people. His base will continue to worship him and his opposition will still hate his guts, no matter what’s on his birth certificate.

From HIS perspective, he posted a copy of his birth certificate on the internet in 2008 for the whole wide world to see and that’s gonna be all we get. No court and no congressional action has ever ruled that he need do anything more than has already been done. Barack Hussein Obama II has the Speaker of the House and the House Majority Leader backing him up on that.

I fail to see what race has to do with presidential eligibilty. Politics is a “divide and conquer” profession and “all’s fair in love, war and politics.”

I say if the American people don’t want Barack Obama to be president, kick his butt at the polls in 2012. That’s the real man way of resolving this issue. “Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me.”

Finally, there is NO additional information on a 1961 Long Form Hawaii birth certificate that has ANY relevance to being eligible to be president. The Constitution requires age 35, birth in the US plus 14 years residence in the US and date of birth and place of birth are found on a certified copy of a Hawaii short form issued by the State Department of Health.
The state of Hawaii has verified that “Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawaii and is a natural born American citizen.”
As of today, Obama has a plus 7.5 percentage point job approval rating when averaging all the most recent national public opinion polls. There just isn’t the political will or momentum to remove him from office.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_obama_job_approval-1044.html


125 posted on 01/31/2011 10:24:45 PM PST by jamese777
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To: jamese777

Got it. The Constitution of the US means nothing to you.

My Country and it’s laws are not a game to me. Your “all’s fair in love and war” baloney doesn’t cut it on FR.

The more you post the more you disgust me.


126 posted on 02/01/2011 1:12:05 AM PST by Aurorales (I will not be ridiculed into silence)
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To: jamese777
I say if the American people don’t want Barack Obama to be president,
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Any president that would let a decorated officer go to prison for an “all’s fair in love, war and politics” strategic move is the same kind of guy who pulls wings off flies just for the fun of it.

And again...This isn't about Obama. It is about defending the Constitution and the rule of law. But...You already know that. It's been pointed out to you now how many hundreds of times?

It's time to go back to the DOJ or the DNC and get a few new talking points.

But...Thanks anyway for bumping the topic to the top so that even more Freepers can be reminded that a **real** American natural born president would be HONORED to promptly prove with all of the best evidence that he is, indeed, eligible. He would be especially pleased to do this for a member of the military.

127 posted on 02/01/2011 1:26:14 AM PST by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid!)
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To: curiosity; Greenperson
To mess with your head.
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LTC Lakin sits in prison. Major Cook lost his security clearance and his job. Yeah! Right! To “mess with your head”?

A guy that would do that pulls wings off flies for amusement. He stabs the eyes out of cute little kittens for fun.

128 posted on 02/01/2011 1:44:30 AM PST by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid!)
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To: danamco
“Many of the inquiries have questioned why then-Senator, and now President, Obama has not had to produce an original, so-called ‘long’ version of a ‘birth certificate’ from the State of Hawaii, how federal candidates are ‘vetted’ for qualifications generally, and have asked for an assessment of the various allegations and claims of non-eligibility status…

“Concerning the production or release of an original birth certificate, it should be noted that there is no federal law, regulation, rule, guideline, or requirement that a candidate for federal office produce his or her original birth certificate, or a certified copy of the record of live birth, to any official of the United States government; nor is there a requirement for federal candidates to publicly release such personal record or documentation. Furthermore, there is no specific federal agency or office that ‘vets’ candidates for federal office as to qualifications or eligibility prior to return.”

Quote from memo from Maskell dated April 3, 2009

Incredible. I have never heard of Congressional Research Service. Who runs that group and under what control are they working for Congress?

The link you gave me really bogged my old Linux box down. What is running in the background there? Or is it an issue with Java Scripts? I have that function turned off this browser.

129 posted on 02/01/2011 6:18:06 AM PST by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: wintertime
Thanks anyway for bumping the topic to the top so that even more Freepers can be reminded that a **real** American natural born president would be HONORED to promptly prove with all of the best evidence that he is, indeed, eligible. He would be especially pleased to do this for a member of the military.

Well said. The requirement for POTUS was written by honorable men for honorable men...

130 posted on 02/01/2011 6:20:11 AM PST by GregNH (Re-Elect "No Body")
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To: danamco

By the way, that Maskell quote reminds me of Al Gore’s famous quote of “no binding legal authority”.


131 posted on 02/01/2011 6:21:41 AM PST by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: GregNH
And...Those who defend Obama’s refusal to prove his natural born status are dishonorable as well. SHAME on them all.
132 posted on 02/01/2011 6:23:16 AM PST by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid!)
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To: GregNH
Well said. The requirement for POTUS was written by honorable men for honorable men...
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The absence of honor among the men and women occupying our cultural institutions should sound the alarm for all men and women who love this nation and its founding principles. Today it is a likely usurper in the White House. Tomorrow it will be something else.

What is more disturbing than having a likely usurper occupying the White House is that so few **honorable** men have stood forth to object. Honor has been proven dead on arrival among our legislators, courts, electoral college, attorney generals, secretaries of state, the highest military, and the Marxist and conservative media. ( Most disappointing was our silent conservative media.)

Some of the traitorous afterbirthers have argued that the Constitution does not define the meaning of natural born citizen, provide a requirement that the president present certifiable proof, or outline a means for removing an ineligible president. They deliberately fail to understand that the Constitution rests upon a foundation of honor and good will.

Well...As you pointed out the Constitution was written by honorable men with the knowledge that this experiment in self-rule would stand or fall on the sense of honor among its people.

It is impossible to craft laws tight enough impose righteousness upon a dishonorable people. If the Constitution were the size of the IRS code, with every clause defined, evil would eventually leak through.

The afterbirthers disgust me. It gives me no comfort to know that if and when fascist tyranny comes to this nation, that ( as Yuri Besmenov pointed out) they will be the first to be lined up against the wall and shot.

133 posted on 02/01/2011 7:30:04 AM PST by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid!)
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To: jamese777

Race doesn’t have anything to do with presidential eligibility unless the candidate is lying about his race in order to garner votes from the people he fooled, who just might vote for him because they falsely believe they share a common racial background. But what candidate could possibly be so arrogant, audacious, and duplicitous? I can think of a few.

As for the long-form not containing anything more than the COLB to help determine eligibility, you’re simply wrong. The parents’ citizenship is crucial to determining whether a person is a natural born citizen.


134 posted on 02/01/2011 7:58:30 AM PST by Greenperson
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To: Greenperson
So Obama is eligible and has a birth certificate to PROVE it,

Sure does. There's already enough evidence out in the public domain that proves it.

but instead he spends millions to fight in court to prevent its disclosure,

Nope. That's a birther myth.

135 posted on 02/01/2011 8:07:43 AM PST by curiosity
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To: Greenperson
What a kind man. What a Christian person. What a compassionate person worthy of the office of the presidency of the United States. Aren’t you SO VERY PROUD?

Well, I don't think he's a kind person, and I think he's a horrible president, but, unfortunately, he's eligible. As to his Christianity, well, only God can know what's in his heart, so I won't try to guess.

136 posted on 02/01/2011 8:09:59 AM PST by curiosity
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To: GregNH

Greg, have you noticed there are have been no responses on posts #127, #130, #132, or #133?


137 posted on 02/01/2011 8:41:58 AM PST by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid!)
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To: wintertime
LTC Lakin sits in prison.

Which serves him right. Disobeying a direct order from your superior officer should not be treated lightely, irregardless of whether one believes some luny conspiracy theory.

Major Cook lost his security clearance and his job.

Good.

Yeah! Right! To “mess with your head”?

Exactly. Do you think Obama gives a whit about either of these gentlemen? No. But fanning the birther flames does a nice job of dividing his opposition. And you're playing right into his hands. How does it feel to be a useful idiot?

138 posted on 02/01/2011 9:13:54 AM PST by curiosity
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To: Greenperson

Race doesn’t have anything to do with presidential eligibility unless the candidate is lying about his race in order to garner votes from the people he fooled, who just might vote for him because they falsely believe they share a common racial background. But what candidate could possibly be so arrogant, audacious, and duplicitous? I can think of a few.

As for the long-form not containing anything more than the COLB to help determine eligibility, you’re simply wrong. The parents’ citizenship is crucial to determining whether a person is a natural born citizen.


Barack Obama wrote a book in 1995 called “Dreams from my Father” which is about is father’s birth and life in Kenya.
It’s already on the record that his father was never an American citizen and Obama would never claim that he was.
Barack Obama Senior “was born in Rachuonyo District on the shores of Lake Victoria just outside Kendu Bay, Kenya Colony, at that time a colony of the British Empire. He was raised in the village of Nyang’oma Kogelo, Siaya District, Nyanza Province.”
A long form birth certificate is not needed to confirm facts that are already in evidence and would be stipulated to by Obama’s attorneys.

A court has already ruled that his father’s citizenship is irrelevant to Obama being a natural born citizen. The lawsuit was “Ankeny et. al. v The Governor of Indiana, Mitch Daniels.”

The Indiana Court of Appeals ruled that: “Based on the language of Article II, Section 1, Clause 4 and the guidance provided by Wong Kim Ark, we conclude that persons born in the United States are “natural born citizens” for Article II, Section 1 purposes REGARDLESS OF THE CITIZENSHIP OF THEIR PARENTS.”—Indiana Court of Appeals, November 12, 2009
http://www.in.gov/judiciary/opinions/pdf/11120903.ebb.pdf


139 posted on 02/01/2011 9:37:15 AM PST by jamese777
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To: wintertime

Any president that would let a decorated officer go to prison for an “all’s fair in love, war and politics” strategic move is the same kind of guy who pulls wings off flies just for the fun of it.

And again...This isn’t about Obama. It is about defending the Constitution and the rule of law. But...You already know that. It’s been pointed out to you now how many hundreds of times?

It’s time to go back to the DOJ or the DNC and get a few new talking points.

But...Thanks anyway for bumping the topic to the top so that even more Freepers can be reminded that a **real** American natural born president would be HONORED to promptly prove with all of the best evidence that he is, indeed, eligible. He would be especially pleased to do this for a member of the military.


I believe that it was eight US Army Colonels on the court martial panel who convicted LTC. Lakin of the one charge that he didn’t plead guilty to. Lakin’s own words were: “I chose the wrong path.” And one of America’s two active duty Medal of Honor winners testified against Lakin during the sentencing phase of the court martial: Colonel Gordon Ray “Bird Dog” Roberts.

The Constitution has been defended 89 times now in Obama eligibility lawsuits including 12 defenses of the Constitution at the Supreme Court of the United States. The birthers have lost in every single attempt.

As a Ronald Reagan appointed Chief US District Court Judge said: “This is one of several such suits filed by Ms. Taitz in her quixotic attempt to prove that President Obama is not a natural born citizen as is required by the Constitution. This Court is not willing to go tilting at windmills with her.”—Chief US District Court Judge Royce C. Lamberth, Taitz v Obama (quo warranto), US District Court for the District of Columbia, April 15, 2010.

I’m delighted to be able to assist this thread with the bump. The more readers, the merrier. It is your constitutional right to continue “tilting at windmills.”


140 posted on 02/01/2011 10:08:19 AM PST by jamese777
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