Posted on 02/05/2011 10:46:39 AM PST by SvenMagnussen
US special envoy Frank Wisner has said that Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak should remain in power to oversee a transition to democracy.
The remarks appear to contradict previous US calls for Mr Mubarak to begin an immediate transition.
(Excerpt) Read more at bbc.co.uk ...
Wow! Do they have Obama locked up and gagged in a closet somewhere in the WH?
Fail.
yes, he’s in the closet
They are so in over their heads. They realize their words have no pull. So, at this point - the US is left with confirming what is already decided by Egyptian officials and trying to say they have some type of part in the decision. Weak
Who’s in charge at the White House?
Good question, hard to say, it’s superbowl weekend.
That’s a good question.
Maybe there’s been a palace coup.
a 3 am call from Bibi
Possibilities
1. Administration is duplicitous and doing the usual ‘Arab’ thing by saying one thing to one group and something else to another
2. Open defection in the administration.
3. Spokesman is incompetent
4. Administration is incompetent
5. Both 3 & 4 are true
6. Obama is uninvolved
Please note that none of these possibilities are mutually exclusive.
WTF?
Apparently, US Special Envoy Frank Wisner is in charge. He just did a 180 on an important FP issue. Has he told Obama yet?
That would make Bambi do exactly the opposite.
Hence, to me, this means that Bambi is no longer in charge.
I have already emailed this note to my friends-—
The Brits and the Germans have just handed Obama a vote of no-confidence in his leadership.
From the Wall Street Journal—
German Chancellor Angela Merkel and U.K. Prime Minister David Cameron, also in attendance, supported Egyptians’ demand for reform but stopped short of calling for President Hosni Mubarak to step down immediately.
“I don’t think we in the West should be the ones to point fingers and say it’s this leader or that leader who has to go now or start now,” Mr. Cameron said. “We should say that we back countries that are putting in place the building blocks of civil society, and that’s exactly what we’re doing in Egypt.”
Ms. Merkel urged a “peaceful and orderly” transition in Egypt, even at the cost of delaying elections while civil institutions capable of supporting a new government are put in place.
“I think it would be wrong to hold a very quick election as the beginning of a democratization process,” Ms. Merkel said. “We have to give the people the chance to build the corresponding structures.”
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704843304576125920304697978.html?mod=googlenews_wsj
Maybe (.)bama is still getting his ass kissed by BOR and not available for comment? Seriously, this is an amazing thing to see. From the now is now comment from Gibbs (the gift that keeps on giving and I am sorry to see go) to the special envoy who obviously must have missed the policy briefing before he left the WH. On the other hand, perhaps his position was dictated by Beria, I mean H. Clinton, before he left.
This whole administration is baffling. How about we bring in some grown up leadership.
no Pres Dopey, no hillary, not even Bill. Maybe somebody around there finally got a clue these dumbasses are killing us all
Wisner's the man on the ground, a guy who has first-hand info. He's obviously been talking and checking around.
What's truly astonishing to me, is that all of the waffling and Large Statements by Obama and his team, have evidently been made without good information -- and/or whatever information they had, was trumped by Obama's typically idealistic thinking.
It's awfully late in the game to be changing course like this. It would have been very easy for Obama to keep his mouth shut until he knew more. But he didn't.
From a domestic political perspective, I think this ends up being a Big Deal.
Their left hand doesn’t know what their other left hand is doing...
and if your hand offend thee, cut it off.....
O thrives on adoration. Don’t think he’ll take this reality check too well.
Darling you got to let me know
Should I stay or should I go?
If you say that you are mine
I’ll be here ’til the end of time
So you got to let me know
Should I stay or should I go?
I agree that it’s a big deal. This means that a few more of the more sensible people in the State Dept may actually have decided they don’t want to be waving their fannies in the air or wearing a burqa anytime soon.
So are we going to have a State/WH conflict? Wisner was Bambi’s “choice” about the same way that a kid’s dentist ws the kid’s choice. Maybe there are some grownups there.
And while a lot of them are serious leftists, maybe they don’t want to unleash the 12th imam either.
I hope they can hear the would-be 12th Imam pounding on the closet door even as we speak...
There’s lots of discussion as to whether 0bama and his minions are deliberately destructive to the US or are merely incompetent. This episode leans towards incompetence.
I honestly do not understand how 0bama can pretend or maybe I should say delude himself that he has the ability to tell Mubarak what to do, that he can tell the Egyptians what to do. I just don’t get it. Why does he think he’ll be able to affect the outcome?
And so, for him to wave a magic wand as if he’s some kind of sorcerer and either pronounce the outcome or predict the outcome or cajole one party or another to do his bidding, either public or private, is sheer folly. So the act of waving the magic wand is massively destructive of his credibility in all cases *except* where the outcome happens to match his pronouncement.
So a wise man would not dictate to Egypt nor Mubarek what to do. But that’s not what 0bama is.
Obotulism undermined PING!!
Dont you think the “incompetence” is what he hides behind? Then he goes his merry way destroying
“Possibilities...”
Actually I think that Mubarak told Obama to go to hell and that he’s NOT about to step down (and Mubarak has plenty of supporters, including the military that knows full well what happened to the officers when the Shah was overthrown).
Now, rather than looking even more idiotic, he’s trying to catch up with events.
Obama would LOVE to see Mubarak go tomorrow, but he’s powerless to effect that, and is trying to not project that powerlessness to other US friends - so that he can still get them thrown out.
When you get Biden putting a gag on Obama for being a gaffmatic, then you will know things are really FUBAR.
greetings from The Clash.
This would be a great time for North Korea to start banging some pots and pans.
Good info, and I think that's very possible. Cameron gave his "anti-Islamic takeover" speech either today or yesterday (allowing for the time differnce) and I think this may have given them some moral support. Also, I don't think Hillary, nutty though she may be, is necessarily on the side of Obama in the "oust Mubarak" movement, because she sure hasn't said much.
A real SOS would have been much more to the forefront, but Bambi gave her the title and no authority. And because she has always worked in teh shadow of somebody more powerful (Bill), she accepted.
But maybe there's enough pressure finally to get her to act. Also, Wisner is apparently a career diplomat under both Dems and the GOP who may have been appointed by Bambi because Obama thought he was going to be a hack, but perhaps with backing from Hillary and knowledgeable people, he may actually be saying what is right based on his experience.
If this goes ahead, I'd say it means Obama no longer has any power in the WH. He can go back and shoot hoops with the local Louis Farrakhan bunch.
“This would be a great time for North Korea to start banging some pots and pans.”
Suicide - Obama would support their government. They need to wait until we clear out the America-haters from our government.
He had plenty of practice.
How many times did he vote present?
This bunch makes the Carter administration look good.
Oh NO!! Then Bambi will decide to bail out and go to the Super Bowl after all and cause even more problems. We're finally starting to thaw out... give us a break.
Obama and his Communist string pullers want as much chaos as possible, once everything is destroyed they can rebuild their utopia socialist slave state. They’ve already stolen every cent we have and enslaved us economically well into the future.
More background here:
http://www.thenation.com/blog/158288/battle-cairo-day-11
12:30 PM: It appears that Frank Wisner, the special US envoy sent to Cairo, was flatly rebuffed when he tried to meet with Mubarak for a second time earlier this week. As I reported below, Wisner left Egypt. Here’s a brief New York Times account, part of along article, including a reference to Vice President Biden’s phone call to Vice President Suleiman:
Vice President Joseph R. Biden, Jr., spoke by phone to Mr. Suleiman on Thursday, the White House said in a statement, urging that ”credible, inclusive negotiations begin immediately in order for Egypt to transition to a democratic government that addresses the aspirations of the Egyptian people.“
Mr. Biden’s phone call came after a mission by Mr. Obama’s private emissary, Frank G. Wisner, was abruptly ended when Mr. Mubarak, angry at Mr. Obama’s toughly worded speech on Tuesday night, declined to meet with the envoy a second time, officials said.
Wisner was snubbed by Mubarak because of Obama’s comments and was told to get the hell out of Cairo.
1. Obama gives televised address, taking credit for Mubarak's decision to retire when his term ends in September.
2. One day later, Gibbsie says that Mubarak "has to go...now" and "now means yesterday".
3. Today, Wisner, the guy on the ground, says that Mubarak must stick around -- to manage an "orderly translition".
This administration isn't just not on the same page, they're not even reading from the same playbook.
All of this is funny as hell -- the 3 stooges in a clown car, if you will. But, in foreign relations, being a joke is the recipe for disaster.
Of course Zero will ignore this advice.
Mr Wisner is surely a JOOOO therefore B. Hossein Obama does not listen.
That’s interesting! I still can’t imagine that this would dissuade Obama, however, and I wonder who is calling the shots now and letting Wisner say this.
The negative judgments about CAIR date to 2007 and 2008, while George W. Bush was President. It would be interesting to know if there are behind-the-scenes contacts between the Obama administration and CAIR.
As the Egyptian situation evolves by the minute, the American Pharaoh is looking more and more like a total asp.
By the time the Sunday interview begins, O'Reilly will barely be able to say, "Mr. President, as you know I'm fair and balanced...." and then he'll fall over in a dead faint.
Leni
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