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Egypt unrest: Hosni Mubarak must stay - US envoy [Obama Massive Fail]
BBC News ^ | Feb. 5, 2011 | staff

Posted on 02/05/2011 10:46:39 AM PST by SvenMagnussen

US special envoy Frank Wisner has said that Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak should remain in power to oversee a transition to democracy.

The remarks appear to contradict previous US calls for Mr Mubarak to begin an immediate transition.

(Excerpt) Read more at bbc.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; Israel; Politics/Elections; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: bambi; carterredux; egypt; egyptcrisis; foreignpolicy; haitiredux; israel; kenyanbornmoslem; mubarak; muslimbrotherhood; obama; obameltdown; warforterror; waronterror; wisner
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1 posted on 02/05/2011 10:46:41 AM PST by SvenMagnussen
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To: SvenMagnussen

Wow! Do they have Obama locked up and gagged in a closet somewhere in the WH?


2 posted on 02/05/2011 10:47:55 AM PST by livius
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To: livius

Fail.


3 posted on 02/05/2011 10:49:49 AM PST by GlockThe Vote (Who needs Al Queda to worry about when we have Obama?)
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To: livius

yes, he’s in the closet


4 posted on 02/05/2011 10:50:04 AM PST by 1000 silverlings (everything that deceives, also enchants: Plato)
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To: SvenMagnussen

They are so in over their heads. They realize their words have no pull. So, at this point - the US is left with confirming what is already decided by Egyptian officials and trying to say they have some type of part in the decision. Weak


5 posted on 02/05/2011 10:50:42 AM PST by HollyB
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To: livius

Who’s in charge at the White House?


6 posted on 02/05/2011 10:50:49 AM PST by Rational Thought
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To: Rational Thought

Good question, hard to say, it’s superbowl weekend.


7 posted on 02/05/2011 10:51:41 AM PST by HollyB
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To: Rational Thought

That’s a good question.

Maybe there’s been a palace coup.


8 posted on 02/05/2011 10:51:56 AM PST by livius
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To: SvenMagnussen

9 posted on 02/05/2011 10:52:07 AM PST by COBOL2Java (Obama is the least qualified guy in whatever room he walks into.)
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To: livius

a 3 am call from Bibi


10 posted on 02/05/2011 10:52:42 AM PST by 1000 silverlings (everything that deceives, also enchants: Plato)
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To: SvenMagnussen
This is good. Another person standing up to be counted.
11 posted on 02/05/2011 10:54:02 AM PST by no-to-illegals (Please God, Bless and Protect Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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To: SvenMagnussen

Possibilities

1. Administration is duplicitous and doing the usual ‘Arab’ thing by saying one thing to one group and something else to another

2. Open defection in the administration.

3. Spokesman is incompetent

4. Administration is incompetent

5. Both 3 & 4 are true

6. Obama is uninvolved

Please note that none of these possibilities are mutually exclusive.


12 posted on 02/05/2011 10:54:27 AM PST by johniegrad
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To: SvenMagnussen

WTF?


13 posted on 02/05/2011 10:55:00 AM PST by Montanabound
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To: Rational Thought

Apparently, US Special Envoy Frank Wisner is in charge. He just did a 180 on an important FP issue. Has he told Obama yet?


14 posted on 02/05/2011 10:56:19 AM PST by SvenMagnussen (Everything you need to know is known unknowns)
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To: 1000 silverlings

That would make Bambi do exactly the opposite.

Hence, to me, this means that Bambi is no longer in charge.


15 posted on 02/05/2011 10:57:29 AM PST by livius
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To: SvenMagnussen

I have already emailed this note to my friends-—

The Brits and the Germans have just handed Obama a vote of no-confidence in his leadership.

From the Wall Street Journal—

German Chancellor Angela Merkel and U.K. Prime Minister David Cameron, also in attendance, supported Egyptians’ demand for reform but stopped short of calling for President Hosni Mubarak to step down immediately.

“I don’t think we in the West should be the ones to point fingers and say it’s this leader or that leader who has to go now or start now,” Mr. Cameron said. “We should say that we back countries that are putting in place the building blocks of civil society, and that’s exactly what we’re doing in Egypt.”

Ms. Merkel urged a “peaceful and orderly” transition in Egypt, even at the cost of delaying elections while civil institutions capable of supporting a new government are put in place.

“I think it would be wrong to hold a very quick election as the beginning of a democratization process,” Ms. Merkel said. “We have to give the people the chance to build the corresponding structures.”

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704843304576125920304697978.html?mod=googlenews_wsj


16 posted on 02/05/2011 10:57:59 AM PST by Presbyterian Reporter
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To: Rational Thought
Who’s in charge at the White House?

Hopefully a janitor or something. They usually have some common sense.
17 posted on 02/05/2011 10:58:37 AM PST by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: SvenMagnussen
My guess: King Abdullah (you know, the one that 0 kowtowed to) called the WH and he explained how things work in the ME to the boy who would be king.
18 posted on 02/05/2011 10:58:40 AM PST by mojito
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To: livius

Maybe (.)bama is still getting his ass kissed by BOR and not available for comment? Seriously, this is an amazing thing to see. From the now is now comment from Gibbs (the gift that keeps on giving and I am sorry to see go) to the special envoy who obviously must have missed the policy briefing before he left the WH. On the other hand, perhaps his position was dictated by Beria, I mean H. Clinton, before he left.

This whole administration is baffling. How about we bring in some grown up leadership.


19 posted on 02/05/2011 11:01:04 AM PST by Mouton
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To: livius
Looks like there is no one, who takes Obama seriously (other than in terms of damage control). Blair, European leaders, Arab leaders... all consider him Zero. And now his own envoy.
20 posted on 02/05/2011 11:01:08 AM PST by alecqss
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To: livius

no Pres Dopey, no hillary, not even Bill. Maybe somebody around there finally got a clue these dumbasses are killing us all


21 posted on 02/05/2011 11:01:38 AM PST by 1000 silverlings (everything that deceives, also enchants: Plato)
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To: SvenMagnussen
Apparently, US Special Envoy Frank Wisner is in charge. He just did a 180 on an important FP issue. Has he told Obama yet?

Wisner's the man on the ground, a guy who has first-hand info. He's obviously been talking and checking around.

What's truly astonishing to me, is that all of the waffling and Large Statements by Obama and his team, have evidently been made without good information -- and/or whatever information they had, was trumped by Obama's typically idealistic thinking.

It's awfully late in the game to be changing course like this. It would have been very easy for Obama to keep his mouth shut until he knew more. But he didn't.

From a domestic political perspective, I think this ends up being a Big Deal.

22 posted on 02/05/2011 11:02:46 AM PST by r9etb
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To: SvenMagnussen

Their left hand doesn’t know what their other left hand is doing...


23 posted on 02/05/2011 11:05:02 AM PST by Qbert ("I seem to smell the stench of appeasement in the air" - Margaret Thatcher)
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To: Qbert

and if your hand offend thee, cut it off.....


24 posted on 02/05/2011 11:06:33 AM PST by 1000 silverlings (everything that deceives, also enchants: Plato)
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To: alecqss

O thrives on adoration. Don’t think he’ll take this reality check too well.


25 posted on 02/05/2011 11:08:06 AM PST by HollyB
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To: SvenMagnussen

Darling you got to let me know
Should I stay or should I go?
If you say that you are mine
I’ll be here ’til the end of time
So you got to let me know
Should I stay or should I go?


26 posted on 02/05/2011 11:08:32 AM PST by Crawdad
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Wisner is a pro and a patriot, a retired career Foreign Service Officer who held important posts in both Republican and Democrat administrations. He is a grown up, a rarity among ZERO envoys.
27 posted on 02/05/2011 11:10:19 AM PST by Godwin1
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To: r9etb

I agree that it’s a big deal. This means that a few more of the more sensible people in the State Dept may actually have decided they don’t want to be waving their fannies in the air or wearing a burqa anytime soon.

So are we going to have a State/WH conflict? Wisner was Bambi’s “choice” about the same way that a kid’s dentist ws the kid’s choice. Maybe there are some grownups there.

And while a lot of them are serious leftists, maybe they don’t want to unleash the 12th imam either.

I hope they can hear the would-be 12th Imam pounding on the closet door even as we speak...


28 posted on 02/05/2011 11:10:53 AM PST by livius
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To: r9etb
Sydney Morning Herald - ‎8 minutes ago‎ """In Munich, US President Barack Obama's special envoy Frank Wisner said Mubarak should stay in office during a democratic transition. ... """ Wisner is in Munich with Hillary. Wisner and Hillary were told in no uncertain terms from Cameron and Merket to knock off this dump Mubarek immediately.
29 posted on 02/05/2011 11:10:55 AM PST by Presbyterian Reporter
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To: SvenMagnussen

There’s lots of discussion as to whether 0bama and his minions are deliberately destructive to the US or are merely incompetent. This episode leans towards incompetence.

I honestly do not understand how 0bama can pretend or maybe I should say delude himself that he has the ability to tell Mubarak what to do, that he can tell the Egyptians what to do. I just don’t get it. Why does he think he’ll be able to affect the outcome?

And so, for him to wave a magic wand as if he’s some kind of sorcerer and either pronounce the outcome or predict the outcome or cajole one party or another to do his bidding, either public or private, is sheer folly. So the act of waving the magic wand is massively destructive of his credibility in all cases *except* where the outcome happens to match his pronouncement.

So a wise man would not dictate to Egypt nor Mubarek what to do. But that’s not what 0bama is.


30 posted on 02/05/2011 11:11:15 AM PST by Attention Surplus Disorder ("Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit smoking" - Barack Hussein Obama)
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To: kingattax

Obotulism undermined PING!!


31 posted on 02/05/2011 11:11:43 AM PST by DarthVader (That which supports Barack Hussein Obama must be sterilized and there are NO exceptions!)
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To: Attention Surplus Disorder

Dont you think the “incompetence” is what he hides behind? Then he goes his merry way destroying


32 posted on 02/05/2011 11:13:34 AM PST by 1000 silverlings (everything that deceives, also enchants: Plato)
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To: johniegrad

“Possibilities...”

Actually I think that Mubarak told Obama to go to hell and that he’s NOT about to step down (and Mubarak has plenty of supporters, including the military that knows full well what happened to the officers when the Shah was overthrown).

Now, rather than looking even more idiotic, he’s trying to catch up with events.

Obama would LOVE to see Mubarak go tomorrow, but he’s powerless to effect that, and is trying to not project that powerlessness to other US friends - so that he can still get them thrown out.


33 posted on 02/05/2011 11:16:41 AM PST by BobL (PLEASE READ: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2657811/posts)
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To: SvenMagnussen

When you get Biden putting a gag on Obama for being a gaffmatic, then you will know things are really FUBAR.


34 posted on 02/05/2011 11:17:15 AM PST by DaxtonBrown (HARRY: Money Mob & Influence (See my Expose on Reid on amazon.com written by me!))
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To: Crawdad

greetings from The Clash.


35 posted on 02/05/2011 11:19:06 AM PST by brivette
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To: BobL

This would be a great time for North Korea to start banging some pots and pans.


36 posted on 02/05/2011 11:19:12 AM PST by Crawdad
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To: HollyB
At least there's one person who doesn't have his head up the moslum brotherhood's ass. The administration would take the same stance if it wasn't full of traitors and fools.
37 posted on 02/05/2011 11:22:10 AM PST by peeps36 (America is being destroyed by filthy traitors in the political establishment)
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To: Presbyterian Reporter
Wisner and Hillary were told in no uncertain terms from Cameron and Merket to knock off this dump Mubarek immediately.

Good info, and I think that's very possible. Cameron gave his "anti-Islamic takeover" speech either today or yesterday (allowing for the time differnce) and I think this may have given them some moral support. Also, I don't think Hillary, nutty though she may be, is necessarily on the side of Obama in the "oust Mubarak" movement, because she sure hasn't said much.

A real SOS would have been much more to the forefront, but Bambi gave her the title and no authority. And because she has always worked in teh shadow of somebody more powerful (Bill), she accepted.

But maybe there's enough pressure finally to get her to act. Also, Wisner is apparently a career diplomat under both Dems and the GOP who may have been appointed by Bambi because Obama thought he was going to be a hack, but perhaps with backing from Hillary and knowledgeable people, he may actually be saying what is right based on his experience.

If this goes ahead, I'd say it means Obama no longer has any power in the WH. He can go back and shoot hoops with the local Louis Farrakhan bunch.

38 posted on 02/05/2011 11:23:47 AM PST by livius
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To: Crawdad

“This would be a great time for North Korea to start banging some pots and pans.”

Suicide - Obama would support their government. They need to wait until we clear out the America-haters from our government.


39 posted on 02/05/2011 11:24:07 AM PST by BobL (PLEASE READ: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2657811/posts)
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To: r9etb
It would have been very easy for Obama to keep his mouth shut until he knew more.

He had plenty of practice.

How many times did he vote present?

This bunch makes the Carter administration look good.

40 posted on 02/05/2011 11:25:33 AM PST by Palmetto Patriot (Just exactly when is the next Election?)
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To: Crawdad
This would be a great time for North Korea to start banging some pots and pans.

Oh NO!! Then Bambi will decide to bail out and go to the Super Bowl after all and cause even more problems. We're finally starting to thaw out... give us a break.

41 posted on 02/05/2011 11:25:53 AM PST by ken in texas (Can't Afford a Tagline... send money.)
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To: BobL

Obama and his Communist string pullers want as much chaos as possible, once everything is destroyed they can rebuild their utopia socialist slave state. They’ve already stolen every cent we have and enslaved us economically well into the future.


42 posted on 02/05/2011 11:27:09 AM PST by 1000 silverlings (everything that deceives, also enchants: Plato)
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To: Presbyterian Reporter; All

More background here:

http://www.thenation.com/blog/158288/battle-cairo-day-11

12:30 PM: It appears that Frank Wisner, the special US envoy sent to Cairo, was flatly rebuffed when he tried to meet with Mubarak for a second time earlier this week. As I reported below, Wisner left Egypt. Here’s a brief New York Times account, part of along article, including a reference to Vice President Biden’s phone call to Vice President Suleiman:

Vice President Joseph R. Biden, Jr., spoke by phone to Mr. Suleiman on Thursday, the White House said in a statement, urging that ”credible, inclusive negotiations begin immediately in order for Egypt to transition to a democratic government that addresses the aspirations of the Egyptian people.“

Mr. Biden’s phone call came after a mission by Mr. Obama’s private emissary, Frank G. Wisner, was abruptly ended when Mr. Mubarak, angry at Mr. Obama’s toughly worded speech on Tuesday night, declined to meet with the envoy a second time, officials said.


43 posted on 02/05/2011 11:29:15 AM PST by jimbo123
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To: livius

Wisner was snubbed by Mubarak because of Obama’s comments and was told to get the hell out of Cairo.


44 posted on 02/05/2011 11:30:42 AM PST by jimbo123
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To: r9etb
Consider the order of events:

1. Obama gives televised address, taking credit for Mubarak's decision to retire when his term ends in September.

2. One day later, Gibbsie says that Mubarak "has to go...now" and "now means yesterday".

3. Today, Wisner, the guy on the ground, says that Mubarak must stick around -- to manage an "orderly translition".

This administration isn't just not on the same page, they're not even reading from the same playbook.

All of this is funny as hell -- the 3 stooges in a clown car, if you will. But, in foreign relations, being a joke is the recipe for disaster.

45 posted on 02/05/2011 11:31:20 AM PST by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance On Parade)
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To: livius

Of course Zero will ignore this advice.

Mr Wisner is surely a JOOOO therefore B. Hossein Obama does not listen.


46 posted on 02/05/2011 11:32:30 AM PST by slorunner
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To: okie01
This administration isn't just not on the same page, they're not even reading from the same playbook.

Wisner was kicked out of Egypt by Mubarak and was most likely was given a message for the Kenyan that said "Stand Down or your Muslim Brotherhood buddies are toast."

Wisner and Hillary and Obama ARE ON THE SAME PAGE after Wisner got the boot.
47 posted on 02/05/2011 11:36:11 AM PST by jimbo123
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To: jimbo123

That’s interesting! I still can’t imagine that this would dissuade Obama, however, and I wonder who is calling the shots now and letting Wisner say this.


48 posted on 02/05/2011 11:37:21 AM PST by livius
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To: jimbo123
I'm wondering--does Obama run his remarks by CAIR first before releasing them to the public?

The negative judgments about CAIR date to 2007 and 2008, while George W. Bush was President. It would be interesting to know if there are behind-the-scenes contacts between the Obama administration and CAIR.

49 posted on 02/05/2011 11:38:39 AM PST by Verginius Rufus
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To: SvenMagnussen
I'll bet Bill O'Reillybama is furiously and frantically rewriting over and over again the questions he plans to ask the Sphinxter in their 14-minute Super Bowl interview tomorrow.

As the Egyptian situation evolves by the minute, the American Pharaoh is looking more and more like a total asp.

By the time the Sunday interview begins, O'Reilly will barely be able to say, "Mr. President, as you know I'm fair and balanced...." and then he'll fall over in a dead faint.

Leni

50 posted on 02/05/2011 11:39:24 AM PST by MinuteGal
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