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U.S. Envoy to Egypt: Mubarak 'Must Stay' for Now (Obama Humiliated by Special Envoy)
The Hill ^ | Saturday, February 5, 2011 | Bridget Johnson

Posted on 02/05/2011 1:59:09 PM PST by kristinn

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To: curiosity
Yes, we do need an Ataturk in control of the Egyptian army and the Egyptian state!

Those people cannot be trusted with democracy...they simply cannot govern themselves in an intelligent manner.


41 posted on 02/05/2011 5:11:41 PM PST by Bobalu ( "Israel must be like a mad dog, too dangerous to bother." ..Moshe Dayan:)
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To: edpc

If mu-Barack can’t go, maybe Barack can?


42 posted on 02/05/2011 5:21:48 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: edpc

“is an ideal moment for him to show the way forward.”

Show who the way forward, Obama???

Or Islam? Or both?


43 posted on 02/05/2011 5:26:02 PM PST by Freddd
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To: frog in a pot; Presbyterian Reporter; Kennard

Amb Wisner doesn’t really have to protect his reputation, because his reputation proceeds him. I used to work for him. He calls them as he sees them, and his legacy is intact.

He was the most beloved American Ambassador to Egypt.....ever. Even the Egyptians will tell you that.

And as an example of his leadership and mentorship.....he produced Amb Ryan Crocker: who was his political secretary in the late 80’s.


44 posted on 02/05/2011 5:36:04 PM PST by Salvavida (The restoration of the U.S.A. starts with filling the pews at every Bible-believing church.)
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To: kristinn

He is honestly and strongly implying that Obama needs to zip it, that is continuing demands on Mubarak only serve to humiliate him in public and stir up trouble.


45 posted on 02/05/2011 5:38:15 PM PST by PghBaldy (Like the Ft Hood Killer, James Earl Ray was just stressed when he killed MLK Jr.)
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To: Salvavida
He calls them as he sees them

Fair enough, but Amb. Wisner is a diplomat.

Why would he cross swords with the President?

46 posted on 02/05/2011 5:56:26 PM PST by Praxeologue (io)
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To: Salvavida; Kennard

He sounds good.

He probably represents the time when being in the Foreign Service was a profession. Ambassadorships now seem to be based entirely on political pay-backs (even leaving out truly glaring cases like the recent fiasco in Luxembourg, which I guess has always been a plum for political contributors).

Obama has very carefully stripped the professionals out of just about every area of the government and replaced them with ideologues or personal loyalists. I guess Wisner somehow escaped his radar.

I’m glad Wisner was principled enough to speak up.


47 posted on 02/05/2011 6:59:11 PM PST by livius
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48 posted on 02/05/2011 7:30:47 PM PST by Nachum (The complete Obama list at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: Salvavida
Amb Wisner doesn’t really have to protect his reputation… I used to work for him.

Not all of us here have such a close perspective. Nonetheless, and with perhaps little or no perspective, most on this thread respect the man for fearlessly voicing his professional assessment of the current situation in Egypt.

Many observers around the world believe Obama is selling out an American ally in order to facilitate the succession of an Islamic government. It is refreshing to see a highly regarded professional with impeccable credentials shed light on the event.

It is clear, however, that if Amb Wisner had publicly voiced an opinion that was in conformance with both the position of the State Dept, his principal and the expressed position of his president, that his reputation with those that know and respect him could well have been smashed.

49 posted on 02/05/2011 9:29:42 PM PST by frog in a pot (We need a working definition of "domestic enemies" if the oath of office is to have meaning.)
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>> Amid calls for President Hosni Mubarak

I’m thinking, “Who the hell’s Amid”...


51 posted on 02/06/2011 2:23:25 AM PST by Gene Eric (Your Hope has been redistributed. Here's your Change.)
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52 posted on 02/06/2011 9:30:22 AM PST by SJackson (In wine there is wisdom, In beer there is freedom, In water there is bacteria.)
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To: kristinn
What is happening currently in Egypt reminds me a bit of the 1979 Khomeinist Revolution in Iran. The shah had, indeed, been repressive. But the government the Iranians got, post-Shah, was even worse than what they had experienced previously.

Even worse from America's perspective, the US went from having a reliable ally in Iran to our having an intractably enemy there.

I would like to see less autocracy in Egypt, and more democracy; but if the Islamists take over, that will not happen. And both Israel (a next-door neighbor to Egypt) and the US will suffer, as a result.

Even for those of us who deplore the cynical and amoral doctrine of realpolitic, this seems like a really tricky situation.

53 posted on 02/06/2011 10:17:11 AM PST by AmericanExceptionalist (Democrats believe in discussing the full spectrum of ideas, all the way from far left to center-left)
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To: kristinn
U.S.: Frank Wisner wasn't speaking on behalf of gov't

There's no better way to acknowledge that skinny's plan to destabilize the ME got smacked down by his own envoy than float a petulant Nuh Unnh!.

What a childish punk he's turned out to be.

54 posted on 02/06/2011 4:55:13 PM PST by 4woodenboats (Obama making good on "standing with the muslims against civilization" - IMPEACH!!)
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To: Presbyterian Reporter
That does not play well, even the leftist MSM will take notice of Obama’s incompetence.

Speaking of leftists, where did their Democracy isn't for everyone meme from the Bush Era run off to?

55 posted on 02/06/2011 5:05:06 PM PST by 4woodenboats (Obama making good on "standing with the muslims against civilization" - IMPEACH!!)
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To: Walkingfeather

“and why isnt hillarys head not on a paltter?”
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Actually her head IS not on a whatever.


56 posted on 02/06/2011 5:32:20 PM PST by RipSawyer (Trying to reason with a liberal is like teaching algebra to a tomcat.)
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To: curiosity

Yeah because determining if another country is entitled to or worthy of open democracy isn’t fascist at all...


57 posted on 02/06/2011 8:12:50 PM PST by Tempest (I put money ahead of people)
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To: Kennard

Actually, he is retired. Obambi can’t do anything for him.

There is information that he serves in a corporation that has interest in Egypt’s bank. But that’s Wikipedia for you. Maybe there is some influence there. But if the WH expected a messenger-boy, we already have an ambassador for that.

The bottom line is, Amb Wisner knows that mob rule isn’t the way to go, and that a change of government can’t happen overnight after 30+ years of a pseudo-dictatorship; without causing extensive harm to the Egyptian citizenry as a whole.


58 posted on 02/08/2011 8:43:17 PM PST by Salvavida (The restoration of the U.S.A. starts with filling the pews at every Bible-believing church.)
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