[Mr Rogers]

“Natives and natural-born citizens are the same. They are interchangeable.”

Odd. Birthers keep telling me they have different meanings...

[devattel]

Mr Rogers said:

"Odd. Birthers keep telling me they have different meanings..."

If they were telling you they have different meanings, they would be incorrect. Emmerich de Vattel was very clear on its meaning. They are interchangeable. Natives, or Natural-Born Citizens, are those who have a right to citizenship to which no law can suppress, redefine, nor qualify. It is an inalienable right. It cannot be granted by a government. It is absolute, and it is certainly not granted via statute such as the 14th Amendment. It is more than where you were born. It is who you are and how you live, your place, your identity. It defines the nation and its people. Without the special nature of people and their society, there is no nation. It is more social than geographical. It is your roots.

In the case of Obama, his roots are clear. His roots lie in Africa. He has returned to his roots and claims these as his roots as he has claimed his father as his roots. He represents a country with a lost identity. Roots are very powerful. Without roots, a nation will fall. Our national roots are no longer clear today. The United States has allowed tangled roots. It has allowed the government which is supposed to represent its identity to dictate who is a natural born citizen instead. We have allowed ourselves to be governed with absolute jurisdiction over a right granted to us by God. This is a dangerous method to identifying our nation, and it is a direct threat to our identity. Hence de Vattel's discussion on this very topic.

[Danae]

I disagree Rogers. We have been rather consistent. A Natural Born Citizen is one with two parents who are citizens, and born upon the soil of their Nation.

Ultimately it comes down to having no other options for citizenship AT ALL. Your complete identity is solely dependent on that singular condition at birth.

[omegadawn]

natural born and native were interchangeable prior to the 14 th amendment. The 14 did in effect create a new class of citizen. A citizen , not natural born ,but still a citizen.

[Spunky]

“Natives and natural-born citizens are the same. They are interchangeable.”

"Odd. Birthers keep telling me they have different meanings..."

I think they have been telling you that "Citizen" versus "Natural Born Citizen" likewise "Naturalization" versus "Natural Born Citizen" have different meanings.

[Las Vegas Ron]

Odd. Birthers keep telling me they have different meanings...

Odd, you keep showing up here and spouting the same old bs....including WKA.

1771 definition of native (which your boy claims to be)