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China and Colombia announce 'alternative Panama Canal'
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Posted on 02/14/2011 11:26:43 AM PST by Oakeshott

Colombia has announced it is negotiating with China to build an alternative to the Panama Canal.

The proposed transport route is intended to promote the flow of goods between Asia and Latin America.

The plan is to create a "dry canal" where the Pacific port of Buenaventura would be linked by rail, across Colombia, to the Atlantic Coast.

Trade between Colombia and China has increased from $10m in 1980 to more than $5bn last year.

The announcement came from the Colombian president, Juan Manuel Santos, who told the Financial Times that the project was "a real proposal... and it is quite advanced".

China has been increasing its involvement across Latin America to feed a growing need for raw materials and commodities.

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To: muawiyah

Another source of income (investment?) for FARC!


21 posted on 02/14/2011 11:49:42 AM PST by Sigurdrifta
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

The Chinese look for barter
From Chavez their commie partner
But Confucius say
Hugo won’t pay
And you already got canal from Carter.


22 posted on 02/14/2011 11:54:38 AM PST by dblshot (Insanity - electing the same people over and over and expecting different results.)
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To: bareford101
How about a real canal in Mexico that follows Hwy 185 from the south shore to the north to the coastal city of Coatzacoalcos? This would have several benefits: 1) shovel-ready jobs for Mexican workers, 2) it would be a natural border between North America and Central America.

-PJ

23 posted on 02/14/2011 11:55:59 AM PST by Political Junkie Too ("Comprehensive" reform bills only end up as incomprehensible messes.)
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To: Oakeshott
1999 As you know, this year the United States turns the Panama Canal over to Panama. Well, this morning's Investor's Business Daily reports that Panama has contracted the management of the Canal out to a Hong Kong firm "with close ties to the Chinese government."

The implications of this management deal should be obvious. In case of war, it will greatly hamper the ability of the US Navy to get ships from one ocean to another quickly.

Couple this with the fact that China now has a military base on the US mainland. A couple of years ago, the Clinton administration sold the Long Beach Naval Air Station to the China Overseas Shipping Company (COSCO). COSCO is using the facility as a port, but anybody who thinks that the Chinese military isn't ready to make the fullest possible use of the base at a moment's notice is living in a fantasy world.End snip

So now the 'Independent' closet leftist Santos is ready to hand Colombia to China on a silver platter. Precious.

24 posted on 02/14/2011 11:58:49 AM PST by Calusa (The pump don't work cause the vandals took the handles. Quoth Bob Dylan.)
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To: Oakeshott
1999 As you know, this year the United States turns the Panama Canal over to Panama. Well, this morning's Investor's Business Daily reports that Panama has contracted the management of the Canal out to a Hong Kong firm "with close ties to the Chinese government."

The implications of this management deal should be obvious. In case of war, it will greatly hamper the ability of the US Navy to get ships from one ocean to another quickly.

Couple this with the fact that China now has a military base on the US mainland. A couple of years ago, the Clinton administration sold the Long Beach Naval Air Station to the China Overseas Shipping Company (COSCO). COSCO is using the facility as a port, but anybody who thinks that the Chinese military isn't ready to make the fullest possible use of the base at a moment's notice is living in a fantasy world.End snip

So now the 'Independent' closet leftist Santos is ready to hand Colombia over to China on a silver platter. Precious.

25 posted on 02/14/2011 12:00:15 PM PST by Calusa (The pump don't work cause the vandals took the handles. Quoth Bob Dylan.)
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To: texmexis best
I doubt that this will happen. Too much time loading and unloading and the idea that they would load another ship immediately on the other side is not a real possibility.

That sounds like a matter of ship design..... It should be possible to create a design that minimizes the ship-to-train transition.

And the ships could be made much bigger, too, because they need not be designed to fit through the locks of the Panama Canal.

26 posted on 02/14/2011 12:02:00 PM PST by r9etb
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To: bareford101

Perhaps there is no outcome.

We now have a container port in Mexico that ships containers up through Texas to points mid and east.

The port supplements expensive (union) and overburdened Southern California ports.


27 posted on 02/14/2011 12:03:43 PM PST by bert (K.E. N.P. N.C. D.E. +12 ....( History is a process, not an event ))
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To: texmexis best

There will be surge areas ~ they are called marshalling yards ~ been in use since YEAR 0 in the railroad calendrics!


28 posted on 02/14/2011 12:04:19 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: Oakeshott

One more thought. We have had such an arrangement for a long time. Rather than a canal it is called a land bridge.


29 posted on 02/14/2011 12:05:11 PM PST by bert (K.E. N.P. N.C. D.E. +12 ....( History is a process, not an event ))
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To: Oakeshott
Reportedly, the Atlantic port is to be built near Cartagena.

660 miles according to Bing. With a stop in Medellin, no doubt, to pay special taxes and/or pick up special cargo.

Doesn't look very promising.

30 posted on 02/14/2011 12:09:10 PM PST by cynwoody
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To: Calusa
It's been pretty much impossible to get US Navy main ships of the line from the Atlantic to the Pacific, or vice versa, since shortly before the Panama Canal was completed.

We build BIG SHIPS.

We are also a very wealthy nation so we have a multi-basin fleet (there being only one ocean on the planet).

We keep ships off China, in the Middle East, in the Mediterranean, somewhere else, and even somewhere else again ~ whole huge bunches of them AND THEN there's the nuclear fleet ~ it'll get you if nothing else does.

In case of serious trouble we fly bombers out of Missouri to any point on Earth.

31 posted on 02/14/2011 12:09:18 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: bareford101

Maybe, the Chinese will help Colombia fight their Communist Terrorism problem.


32 posted on 02/14/2011 12:11:22 PM PST by FreeAtlanta (Obama and the left are making a mockery of our country.)
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To: FreeAtlanta

There’s another route for a canal in the area between Colombia and Panama.The Choco River although only a couple of hundred miles long is one of the most voluminous rivers in the world. But that project faces the same problem as the Pan American road in the Darien area there’s really no ‘there’ there.


33 posted on 02/14/2011 12:26:32 PM PST by Calusa (The pump don't work cause the vandals took the handles. Quoth Bob Dylan.)
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To: r9etb
Columbia of 2011 is not the Columbia of 1980’s. It isn't America, but it has become a lot more secure and business friendly.
34 posted on 02/14/2011 12:30:21 PM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer (biblein90days.org))
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To: Political Junkie Too
About 1,500 feet of elevation change makes for a challenging canal.

http://mapasdemexico.org/maps/elev.html

35 posted on 02/14/2011 12:34:32 PM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer (biblein90days.org))
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To: muawiyah
International freight containers loaded on rail to reload on another container ship ain't no thang.

The big trans-Pacific container ships save lots of time on shipments to Atlantic ocean ports and and containers headed to various North or South American or even European destinations could be loaded on to different ships at the terminus port.

I don't know a lot about international logistics, but on the surface, this makes a lot of sense to me.

36 posted on 02/14/2011 12:38:41 PM PST by Ditto (Nov 2, 2010 -- Partial cleaning accomplished. More trash to remove in 2012)
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To: thackney
Yeah, I know about that one spot. Maybe they can dig out a canyon through the middle? How about a waterway tunnel? It would keep a lot of Mexicans employed for a long time.

-PJ

37 posted on 02/14/2011 12:40:54 PM PST by Political Junkie Too ("Comprehensive" reform bills only end up as incomprehensible messes.)
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To: Political Junkie Too
How about a waterway tunnel?

Now that would be cool to see. Expensive and limited, but hey, it's only money.

They build water bridges, why not tunnels?


38 posted on 02/14/2011 12:46:55 PM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer (biblein90days.org))
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To: cynwoody

When all is said and done it would be cheaper for the Chicoms to dig a new canal. I’ve been on Colombian roads and they are not the best, nor safe.


39 posted on 02/14/2011 12:56:55 PM PST by Recon Dad ( Zero point two... Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life, son)
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To: muawiyah

I am very familiar with marshalling yards, Houston have some of the largest around and that is one reason why I don’t think this is going to work. It requires a spectacular investment in land and infrastructure. The cranes a really expensive.

If it would create an additional delay in shipping, it would not work as the trip from Columbia to the other side of equal latitude, IIRC. is about 9 or 10 days. Tankers cost about 20,000 per day, all costs considered, so it would be a real judgement call.

I just think that a trans-shipment facility that is 30 or so miles from another would simply not work.


40 posted on 02/14/2011 1:01:08 PM PST by texmexis best
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