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1 posted on 02/17/2011 4:53:59 AM PST by spirited irish
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2 posted on 02/17/2011 4:54:53 AM PST by spirited irish
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4 posted on 02/17/2011 5:03:19 AM PST by headsonpikes (Genocide is the highest sacrament of socialism - "Who-whom?")
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5 posted on 02/17/2011 5:23:30 AM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: spirited irish
Linda Kimball has written a lot of words in this essay and has failed to condemn government schooling.

If children are sent into godless temples of state worship ( misnamed “schools”), they will learn to think and reason godlessly and worship the state.

If conservatives love their children, if they are are concerned about the children of this nation, if they hope to overcome communism and fascist islam, then we MUST MUST MUST shut down the godless temples of state worship ( “public schools”). We MUST MUST MUST work to see that every child has access to a conservative Judeo-Christian based education.

( By the way...If Christian and conservative teachers really loved their students they would be working to get these kids OUT of the government schools. They wouldn't be working IN the godless government temples ( misnamed “public schools”) cooperating in the moral destruction of children.)

8 posted on 02/17/2011 5:59:59 AM PST by wintertime
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Two of my co-workers were let go on Monday. I guess I’m next. I’ve been job searching with no success.


15 posted on 02/17/2011 6:30:13 AM PST by 38special (AK, CA, CO, NV, WA ... WTF?)
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True story. As for me and my house, we choose to follow God, Christ Jesus and the power of the Holy Spirit. It’s not easy but it is the way that leads to life.


16 posted on 02/17/2011 6:36:20 AM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: spirited irish
I thank God that my grandchildren aged 9 and 14 have never seen the inside of a government school, at least not as students. The oldest attended a private Christian school through 3rd grade before their mother decided to home school both kids. The standardized tests that the state board of education requires them to take show that they have advanced further in all subjects than have their friends of approximately the same age who attend government schools.

And more important, to me at least, the tenets of their parents' Christian faith are reinforced by the purchased course of study that their mother uses to teach instead of being ridiculed and "debunked" as they are today in so many government schools. However, I will say that based on personal experience there are still many teachers working in government schools who try to swim against the tide as best they can without being reigned in by their superiors, and they should be appreciated and commended by parents whose kids are fortunate enough to have them as their teachers.

But even so, as a senior citizen, aka cranky old fogey, who is still sufficiently cognizant of his surroundings to remember the time when public schools were in the business of educating kids in preparation for adult life in the God-honoring America that once was instead of indoctrinating them with collectivist, multiculturalist, atheistic, pro-homosexual propaganda, I urgently advise all parents to get your kids out of the dens of iniquity that now epitomise public schools, and either home school or enroll them in a Christian school that has earned a reputation for academic excellence and advocating Christian moral principles.

(Sorry about that over-long last sentence, I hope no one is out of breath after reading it.)

24 posted on 02/17/2011 8:39:59 AM PST by epow (I was taught to respect my elders, but they're getting harder and harder to find.)
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I know that most conservatives believe that Christianity was the foundation of this country and that most liberals argue it wasn't. In my opinion both are wrong. Our founding fathers were very well read and knowledgeable men. They base our country on greco-roman, english common law, judeo-christian, and enlightenment principles. Here are some quotes from the founders themselves;

John Adams-

The question before the human race is, whether the God of nature shall govern the world by his own laws, or whether priests and kings shall rule it by fictitious miracles?
— John Adams, letter to Thomas Jefferson, June 20, 1815 (emphasis mine)

The United States of America have exhibited, perhaps, the first example of governments erected on the simple principles of nature; and if men are now sufficiently enlightened to disabuse themselves of artifice, imposture, hypocrisy, and superstition, they will consider this event as an era in their history. Although the detail of the formation of the American governments is at present little known or regarded either in Europe or in America, it may hereafter become an object of curiosity. It will never be pretended that any persons employed in that service had interviews with the gods, or were in any degree under the influence of Heaven, more than those at work upon ships or houses, or laboring in merchandise or agriculture; it will forever be acknowledged that these governments were contrived merely by the use of reason and the senses.
— John Adams, “A Defence of the Constitutions of Government of the United States of America” (1787-88), (emphasis mine)

Ben Franklin-

“When a religion is good, I conceive it will support itself; and when it does not support itself, and God does not care to support it, so that its professors are obliged to call for the help of the civil power, ‘tis a sign, I apprehend, of its being a bad one.”
Ben Franklin, _Poor Richard's Almanac_, 1754 (Works, Volume XIII)]

“My parents had early given me religious impressions, and brought me through my childhood piously in the dissenting [puritan]way. But I was scarce fifteen, when, after doubting by turns of several points, as I found them disputed in the different books I read, I began to doubt of Revelation itself. Some books against Deism fell into my hands; they were said to be the substance of sermons preached at Boyle's lectures. [Robert Boyle (1627-1691) was a British physicist who endowed the Boyle Lectures for defense of Christianity.]It happened that they wrought an effect on me quite contrary to what was intended by them; for the arguments of the deists, which were quoted to be refuted, appeared to me much stronger than the refutations; in short, I soon became a thorough deist”
[Benjamin Franklin, “Autobiography,”p.66]

James Madison-

Among the features peculiar to the political system of the United States, is the perfect equality of rights which it secures to every religious sect ... Equal laws, protecting equal rights, are found, as they ought to be presumed, the best guarantee of loyalty and love of country; as well as best calculated to cherish that mutual respect and good will among citizens of every religious denomination which are necessary to social harmony, and most favorable to the advancement of truth.
— James Madison, letter to Dr. De La Motta, August 1820 (Madison, 1865, III, pages 178-179),

[T]he bill exceeds the rightful authority to which governments are limited by the essential distinction between civil and religious functions, and violates in particular the article of the Constitution of the United States which declares that “Congress shall make no law respecting a religious establishment....” This particular church, therefore, would so far be a religious establishment by law, a legal force and sanction being given to certain articles in its constitution and administration.
— James Madison, veto message, February 21, 1811. Madison vetoed a bill to incorporate the Episcopal Church in Alexandria, Virginia, and the District of Columbia.

Is the appointment of Chaplains to the two Houses of Congress consistent with the Constitution, and with the pure principle of religious freedom? In strictness the answer on both points must be in the negative. The Constitution of the U S forbids everything like an establishment of a national religion. The law appointing Chaplains establishes a religious worship for the national representatives, to be performed by Ministers of religion, elected by a majority of them, and these are to be paid out of the national taxes. Does this not involve the principle of a national establishment...?
— James Madison, “Essay on Monopolies” unpublished until 1946

Thomas Jefferson –

The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as are injurious to others. But it does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods, or no god. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.
— Thomas Jefferson, Notes on the State of Virginia, 1781-82

Among the most inestimable of our blessings is that ... of liberty to worship our Creator in the way we think most agreeable to His will; a liberty deemed in other countries incompatible with good government and yet proved by our experience to be its best support.
— Thomas Jefferson, Reply to Baptist Address, 1807

The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as are injurious to others. But it does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods, or no god. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.
— Thomas Jefferson, Notes on the State of Virginia, 1781-82

I am really mortified to be told that, in the United States of America, a fact like this [that a bookseller is prosecuted for selling books advocatig what was then presumed by the statusuo to be pseudoscience] can become a subject of inquiry, and of criminal inquiry too, as an offence against religion; that a question about the sale of a book can be carried before the civil magistrate. Is this then our freedom of religion? and are we to have a censor whose imprimatur shall say what books may be sold, and what we may buy? And who is thus to dogmatize religious opinions for our citizens? Whose foot is to be the measure to which ours are all to be cut or stretched? Is a priest to be our inquisitor, or shall a layman, simple as ourselves, set up his reason as the rule for what we are to read, and what we must believe? It is an insult to our citizens to question whether they are rational beings or not, and blasphemy against religion to suppose it cannot stand the test of truth and reason.
If M de Becourt’s book be false in its facts, disprove them; if false in its reasoning, refute it. But, for God's sake, let us freely hear both sides, if we choose....
— Thomas Jefferson, letter to N G Dufief, Philadelphia bookseller (1814), after being prosecuted for selling de Becourt’s book, Sur la Création du Monde, un Systême d’Organisation Primitive, which Jefferson himself had purchased

Because religious belief, or non-belief, is such an important part of every person's life, freedom of religion affects every individual. Religious institutions that use government power in support of themselves and force their views on persons of other faiths, or of no faith, undermine all our civil rights. Moreover, state support of an established religion tends to make the clergy unresponsive to their own people, and leads to corruption within religion itself. Erecting the “wall of separation between church and state,” therefore, is absolutely essential in a free society.
We have solved, by fair experiment, the great and interesting question whether freedom of religion is compatible with order in government and obedience to the laws. And we have experienced the quiet as well as the comfort which results from leaving every one to profess freely and openly those principles of religion which are the inductions of his own reason and the serious convictions of his own inquiries.
— Thomas Jefferson, to the Virginia Baptists (1808) ME 16:320

If the founding fathers truly wanted a Christian nation they could have easily put that into the constitution, but they did not. For example during the ratification for the Virginia Statute for Religious Freedom Thomas Jefferson reported that a motion was made to include Jesus in it. This was motion was only supported by three people so it was not carried. This happened two years prior to the writing of the constitution. This statute was well known to the representatives at the constitutional convention.

28 posted on 02/17/2011 9:52:00 AM PST by armordog99
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