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What Justin Bieber and General McChrystal Have in Common
American Thinker ^ | 02/21/2011 | Selwyn Duke

Posted on 02/21/2011 7:34:00 AM PST by SeekAndFind

Well, Justin Bieber has lost his political virginity.  And it was taken by, of all people, the stoners at Rolling Stone magazine.

Excerpts released from an upcoming interview with the teen star included political statements that, as some reading this will know, have earned him criticism in conservative circles.  What fewer in the right-blogosphere may realize, however, is that they also brought him lashing from the left.  Attacked from the right, attacked from the left...yikes.  Just call him Bill O'Reilly, Jr.

Conservatives noted Bieber's negative comments about the US healthcare system, but is such an opinion really notable?  Remember, we're talking about a 16-year-old Canadian pop star here.  Far more notable is what raised the ire of the womyn on The (wrong) View and the capons at The New York Times: the singer's views on the left's sacred cow, abortion.  As to this, Rolling Stone writes:

"I really don't believe in abortion," Bieber says.  "It's like killing a baby."  How about in cases of rape?  "Um.  Well, I think that's really sad, but everything happens for a reason.  I don't know how that would be a reason.  I guess I haven't been in that position, so I wouldn't be able to judge that."

Demonstrating an inerrant grasp of the obvious, The New York Times' John Caramanica observes that Bieber's "reply wasn't the clearest or most sophisticated distillation of that position."  Well, John, you may have to wait till his voices finishes changing for that.

Now, I'll note that a "sophisticated distillation" of the pro-life position never seems to make it onto the Times' pages, and Caramanica's objection to any distillation of it was apparent in his commentary.  He asks, "[W]hat has Mr. Bieber done for [his] fans apart from inspire crushes?  Does his music speak to their needs and interests as young girls?"  Here's a clue, John: These tweens and barely teens don't have much idea what their needs are as young girls.  They just know what they want.  And you have no idea about it either.

More blunt was The View's very dull Joy Behar, who may be even less qualified to discuss adult matters than Bieber himself.  She said that his views were "insulting to people who have been raped" and that she was concerned because he is "influencing young girls."  Well, better him than the government schools, anyway.

While I may seem like an unlikely candidate to defend Justin Bieber -- my tastes in music tend more toward Gregorian chants than modern pop -- I find this criticism, both from the left and right, a bit much.  Remember that we're talking here about someone who also gave Rolling Stone a quotation worthy of Kids Say the Darndest Things.  When asked about what party he'd support were he of voting age, the singer offered a true common-ground reply: "I'm not sure about the parties.  But whatever they have in Korea, that's bad."  Well, can't argue with that.

Really, one of my first thoughts when I heard about the Stoners' interview with Bieber was, "Where were his handlers?"  After all, wading into the stormy waters of politics isn't exactly the best way to sell records.  

As for why the Stoners asked a boy not far removed from puberty about hot-button political issues, the interviewer, Vanessa Grigoriadis, insisted that a kid who "has control over a large population should be asked all questions."  Well, I'd have to be stoned to believe that.  I think Grigoriadis just wanted to capture headlines and attention.  And she succeeded.

This is in much the way the Stoners succeeded with their story on General Stanley McChrystal.  As you may remember, the general had to resign last year from his position as commander of U.S. forces in Afghanistan after scathing comments he and some of his aides made about the Obama administration appeared in Rolling Stone magazine.  (And he deserved it, too.  McChrystal is no 16-year-old pop star, but he acted like one.  I mean, what kind of naiveté does it take to allow a Stoner reporter to embed with you?  Answer: The kind you don't want in a leader of the armed forces.)

But while both Justin and the General fell victim to Stoner ambush, the difference is that Bieber will survive.  Caramanica titled his article "Twilight of a Pop Star" and concluded with, "By taking a stand against abortion, Mr. Bieber risks finding out how frail and tenuous that bond [between him and his fans] might be."  This is nonsense.  Baby-killing isn't generally a top priority with tween girls -- women have to get a bit more "sophisticated" before embracing such ethereal pursuits.  Besides, unless Bieber says he likes kicking cats and eating puppies, his 10 to 14-year-old fans will accept whatever he may say.

As for what he said about healthcare, yes, it was silly.  And many of the points made in relation to it are valid.  It's ridiculous that the Stoners would ask such a person about matters so beyond his depth (of course, it's equally ridiculous that the Stoners are writing about matters so beyond their depth).  And we're definitely heading toward Idiocracy when the opinions of Stoners and Behars are treated like they matter.  But then there is something else.

Like most politics wonks, when I hear a singer make an inane political statement, one of my first emotional reactions is, "Stick to singing"; this is in the same way that, when seeing biologist Richard Dawkins campaign against religion, one may think, "Stick to science and leave philosophy to philosophers."  But it's an unreasonable idea.

When the Illustrated London News hired G.K. Chesterton as a columnist in 1905, the paper said that he could treat anything he wanted except religion and politics.  His response was that there was nothing else worth writing about.  What he meant was, it may be that singing is just for music lovers, art just for art aficionados and biology just for biologists, but morality/philosophy -- which is at the heart of religion and politics -- isn't just for moral philosophers.  Whether our craft is music, science, medicine, law or plumbing, we cannot do it and our fellow man justice unless we are moral people.  And we cannot become a moral society by avoiding discussion of morality.

This is why we can never get away from the only two issues worth talking about.  We have the injunction, "Never discuss religion or politics," but it is a prescription for superficiality.  Properly interpreted, it means "Never discuss anything of importance." 

So my advice to the Justin Biebers of the world is, by all means, concern yourselves with what really matters.  But as ancient sage Confucius said, "Wisdom is, when you know something, knowing that you know it, and when you do not know something, knowing that you do not know it."  Seek Truth before seeking an audience.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: abortion; generalmcchrystal; justinbieber
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1 posted on 02/21/2011 7:34:05 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind
I guess I haven't been in that position, so I wouldn't be able to judge that."

That is considered a pro-life position now??

I bet he will be pro-choice when his present temporary girlfriend gets pregnant.

2 posted on 02/21/2011 7:38:16 AM PST by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: SeekAndFind

Seek and Fine,
You are one of the best FREEPERS around, but this bashing of Bieber is a bit sick....I am not saying that you are posting more than this one article, but cumulative we have seen a ton of articles on a 16 year old who said some good stuff and some rather stupid stuff. I believe all 16 year olds can be said to be in the same position from time to time. I think that even the Palin daughters said some stupid things on Facebook and they were honored here due to their ages.


3 posted on 02/21/2011 7:39:37 AM PST by napscoordinator
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To: SeekAndFind

America is “evil”, so yes he is obviously someone we should sympathize with.

lol.


4 posted on 02/21/2011 7:39:43 AM PST by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: SeekAndFind

5 posted on 02/21/2011 7:53:17 AM PST by RobertClark (On a long enough timeline the survival rate for everyone drops to zero.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Why would anyone care what a sixteen year old pop star parrots except other sixteen year old twits?


6 posted on 02/21/2011 7:55:16 AM PST by pacific_waters
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To: SeekAndFind

I read a couple of paragraphs and realized how much I don’t care about any of the opinions of anyone mentioned in the article...so I stopped.


7 posted on 02/21/2011 7:58:38 AM PST by Tex-Con-Man
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To: SeekAndFind

Ping me when Justin becomes an American citizen and old enough to vote. Even then he’d need a few more years of maturing before he could possibly understand what life is really all about.


8 posted on 02/21/2011 7:59:37 AM PST by bgill (Kenyan Parliament - how could a man born in Kenya who is not even a native American become the POTUS)
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To: SeekAndFind
Several questions and points come to mind.
- Why does it matter what a 16 year-old pop star thinks any more than anyone else...
- How did this kid get so popular anyway?
- Just about anything coming out of the mouth of a 16 year-old is based on near zero life experience, little political understanding and is something to be taken as such.
- How did this kid get so popular anyway?
- Even a 16 year-old understands that no matter how you wrap it, abortion is the act of killing a baby.
- And finally, how did this kid get so popular anyway?
9 posted on 02/21/2011 8:04:33 AM PST by FunkyZero ("It's not about duck hunting !")
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To: pacific_waters

I been Biebered enuff.
I been Gagad enuff.

I’m beyonc Beyonce.

Does anybody remember RNR?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7Rhcqkhg2Y


10 posted on 02/21/2011 8:09:32 AM PST by djf (Sometimes you are The Old Man and the Sea. But most times, you are the fish!!)
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To: SeekAndFind
"insulting to people who have been raped"

Joy needs to get with Whoopi and clarify if we are talking rape, or rape-rape. Because it seems to matter.

11 posted on 02/21/2011 8:09:46 AM PST by 5thGenTexan
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To: GeronL
In common? Don't know when to keep their mouth shut.
12 posted on 02/21/2011 8:21:12 AM PST by ImJustAnotherOkie (zerogottago)
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To: SeekAndFind
This writer's taste in music tends more toward Gregorian chants than modern pop

Cool!

13 posted on 02/21/2011 8:24:39 AM PST by MadelineZapeezda
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To: GeronL

Someone posted a similarly ugly statement on my Facebook page. You should be ashamed of yourself. Go pick on someone your own size.


14 posted on 02/21/2011 8:32:37 AM PST by altura
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To: SeekAndFind

Plus, he does a killer imitation of Barak Obama.


15 posted on 02/21/2011 8:34:11 AM PST by altura
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To: SeekAndFind

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IMHO, maybe we should cut the boy a little slack:

‘The studio has been screening the movie (Never Say Never) for many Christian faith leaders in hopes that the film will attract a religious audience, according to The Hollywood Reporter.

Bieber is quite vocal about his faith during interview, and you can see it as well throughout the film. Many times, Bieber is seen praying before a concert or talking about God as his inspiration.’

http://www.reelmovienews.com/2011/02/justin-bieber-never-say-never-promoted-to-religious-audience/
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I don’t care for his type of music, but I’m inclined to cut this boy a little slack.
It appears the parents tried to raise the boy right, and he’s trying to live by their teachings.
How often do you see this boy’s type of behavior among the scum in the rap, hiphop rock music industry?
Maybe he could have some positive influence on young people.

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16 posted on 02/21/2011 8:37:59 AM PST by patriot08 (TEXAS GAL- born and bred and proud of it!)
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To: pacific_waters

Aren’t nearly all pop stars age 16, mentally if not physically?


17 posted on 02/21/2011 8:38:25 AM PST by Henry Hnyellar
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To: SeekAndFind

He seems like a nice boy. He went to Catholic school, and I think his mom is a devout Christian.

When I was his age I had absolutely no opinion on abortion. Heck, I believed in “world peace”.


18 posted on 02/21/2011 8:41:05 AM PST by I still care (I miss my friends, bagels, and the NYC skyline - but not the taxes. I love the South.)
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To: SeekAndFind

They both call VP Biden, VP Biteme?


19 posted on 02/21/2011 8:53:39 AM PST by freedom1st
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To: FunkyZero
"How did this kid get so popular anyway?"

Assuming you really want to know, I'll tell you. 4 years ago he started posting videos on youtube and youtube users (especially girls) started noticing. This one is from 3 years ago, when he was 13. It's him playing his guitar, no singing. http://www.youtube.com/user/kidrauhl#p/u/42/lXOWt524IQM

The guy who is now his manager took him and his mom to radio stations across the U.S. and he performed acoustic versions of his songs on morning shows. They started playing his music and he had thousands of fans before he even signed a recording contract. He sings songs about love that young girls (tween and teen) want to hear. He used the internet, namely Twitter and youtube, to form a bond with his fans.

I know all of that because my daughter is a fan and I took to see his movie. (A G-rated movie, I might add, which is very uncommon these days.)

As a parent, I'd much rather my daughter listen to songs about puppy love than songs about bitches and hos and evidently many other parents feel the same. He seems like a decent kid and I hope he can somehow manage to stay grounded through all of this fame and attention.

20 posted on 02/21/2011 9:13:43 AM PST by RoseyT
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