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Gadfi appears on State TV in Tripoli ---CNN just reported
CNN ^ | Feb 21, 3011 | self

Posted on 02/21/2011 4:12:21 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach

CNN news Reader showed short video Clip.

(Excerpt) Read more at cnn.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: libya
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To: Fred Nerks

Boy. I had not visited Pike’s site in a long time. Good writeup you offered.


41 posted on 02/21/2011 7:02:32 PM PST by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned....Duncan Hunter Sr. for POTUS.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
One thing is for sure. Many years back, the colonel understood clearly what the Islamic leaders of all strips represented.
He did his best to keep the Islamist down to zip. Much like Saddam.
42 posted on 02/21/2011 7:19:48 PM PST by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned....Duncan Hunter Sr. for POTUS.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; Marine_Uncle
I believe they want freedom. Freedom to vote in a Caliphate theocracy.

I don't know what Russia will do. They've been supporting some of the worst Islamic regimes for a long time. Then again, if their calculations change, they could turn on a dime and start slaughtering muzzies wholesale. I guess it depends on the balance between risk and usefullness for them.

43 posted on 02/21/2011 7:21:49 PM PST by TigersEye (Who crashed the markets on 9/28/08 and why?)
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To: Fred Nerks
Excerpt from your link:

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In the late 1980s, Qadhafi began to pursue an anti-Islamic fundamentalist policy domestically, viewing fundamentalism as a potential rallying point for opponents of the regime. Ministerial positions and military commanders are frequently shuffled or placed under temporary house arrest to diffuse potential threats to Qadhafi's authority.

Apart from conflicts with the traditional religious hierarchy, Qadhafi had a longstanding conflict with the Muslim Brotherhood and other fundamentalist groups, whose membership went into exile or underground during Qadhafi's tenure.

44 posted on 02/21/2011 7:25:54 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: TigersEye

Dittos TE. Their among the most ruthless IMHO. They had no qualms about taking out hundreds of thousands of Afghans when they invaded them back in 1979.


45 posted on 02/21/2011 7:28:54 PM PST by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned....Duncan Hunter Sr. for POTUS.)
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To: Marine_Uncle; Ernest_at_the_Beach; SunkenCiv

wheels within wheels in a tribal society:

Libya crisis: what role do tribal loyalties play?

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...During Muammar Gaddafi’s 42-year rule, Libya has made great strides socially and economically thanks to its vast oil income, but tribes and clans continue to be part of the demographic landscape.

Women in Libya are free to work and to dress as they like, subject to family constraints. Life expectancy is in the seventies. And per capita income - while not as high as could be expected given Libya’s oil wealth and relatively small population of 6.5m - is estimated at $12,000 (£9,000), according to the World Bank.

Illiteracy has been almost wiped out, as has homelessness - a chronic problem in the pre-Gaddafi era, where corrugated iron shacks dotted many urban centres around the country.

Tribal identity

However, the tribalism which dogged Libyan society during the monarchy is still very much a reality.

While many see the continued existence of tribalism as an obstacle to social mobility, equal opportunity and the development of civil society, its significance politically is less clear-cut.

Many Libyans continue to identify themselves as belonging to a tribe.

Gaddafi conducts some business from his tent - as a way of showing he is in touch with his cultural roots However, in reality tribal kinship has been on the wane due to the growth in education and urbanisation, which separated people from their traditional tribal areas and contributed to weakening their tribal affinity.

Col Gaddafi and his colleagues in the Free Unionist Officers had pledged to eliminate tribalism upon seizing power in 1969.

For the first ten years or so of his rule, tribal identification was officially frowned upon. During this time, Col Gaddafi could count on the support of most of the population.

His political credit was still high and in general, he had the backing of the army.

However, as his popularity diminished and as he began to fall out with his colleagues in the Free Unionist Officers corps - all but a handful of whom have now disappeared from public view - he relied increasingly on tribalism and tribal rivalry in order to consolidate his grip on power.

Tribalism and the armed forces

This has been most pronounced in the armed forces where each of the main tribes is represented.

Fostering rivalries among the various tribes in the army through selective patronage has not only strengthened his control over the military, but has also worked to draw attention away from Col Gaddafi and his regime.

Nowadays, tribal rivalries are evident within the armed forces, where Mr Gaddafi’s own tribe, the Qadhadfa, are pitted against Magariha - the tribe of the Lockerbie bomber, Abdelbaset Ali al-Megrahi - which are close to the Warfalla tribe, said to number one million people.

In turn, the Warfalla are close to Al-Zintan who hail from the town of Zintan, 75 miles south of Tripoli - one of the first towns in western Libya to join the present revolt against Mr Gaddafi...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-12528996


46 posted on 02/21/2011 7:29:45 PM PST by Fred Nerks (FAIR DINKUM!)
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To: Marine_Uncle
Their among the most ruthless IMHO.

True, but the ChiComs have never taken a turn at any serious muzzie crushing.

47 posted on 02/21/2011 7:34:46 PM PST by TigersEye (Who crashed the markets on 9/28/08 and why?)
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To: Fred Nerks
Good description Fred. And it most probably is the reason the proverbial "s" finally hit the fan. It worked well for many years then as indicated in the article due to modernization along education and freedom to access the rest of the world things went wrong with the tribal model.
But he keeped his head down pretty much especially after the US went after him with F111 etc..
Then he caved in when he saw GWB was going to go after him as well as Saddam on the uranium enrichment issue, etc..
What till those folks see how the Islamist will move in and screw their lives up. Girls put your headscarves back on or you may lose your head.
48 posted on 02/21/2011 7:41:27 PM PST by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned....Duncan Hunter Sr. for POTUS.)
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To: TigersEye

I know. They would be in strong contention for first place. They would make the mooselimbs look like saints.


49 posted on 02/21/2011 7:43:24 PM PST by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned....Duncan Hunter Sr. for POTUS.)
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To: Fred Nerks

Thanks Fred Nerks. It ain’t too pretty right now in Libya.


50 posted on 02/22/2011 3:37:18 PM PST by SunkenCiv (The 2nd Amendment follows right behind the 1st because some people are hard of hearing.)
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