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Justice drops defense of Donald Rumsfeld, Paul Wolfowitz
politico ^ | 2/22/11 | JOSH GERSTEIN

Posted on 02/22/2011 9:44:39 PM PST by Nachum

The Justice Department under President Barack Obama has quietly dropped its legal representation of more than a dozen Bush-era Pentagon and administration officials - including former Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld and aide Paul Wolfowitz - in a lawsuit by Al Qaeda operative Jose Padilla, who spent years behind bars without charges in conditions his lawyers compare to torture.

Charles Miller, a Justice Department spokesman, confirmed Tuesday that the government has agreed to retain private lawyers for the officials, at a cost of up to $200 per hour. Miller said “conflicts concerns” prompted the decision. He did not elaborate.

One private attorney involved in the case, who asked not to be named, said the Obama administration apparently concluded “its duty to represent the defendants zealously, which includes the duty to argue any and all defenses, can’t be discharged for reasons of policy and other government interests.”

(Excerpt) Read more at politico.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; Government
KEYWORDS: 2bzdefendingnbccase; allegedwarcrimes; bs; defense; doj; donaldrumsfeld; drops; justice; obama; obamadoj; paulwolfowitz; rumsfeld; wolfowitz
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1 posted on 02/22/2011 9:44:43 PM PST by Nachum
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To: Jet Jaguar; NorwegianViking; ExTexasRedhead; HollyB; FromLori; EricTheRed_VocalMinority; ...

The list, ping

Let me know if you would like to be on or off the ping list

http://www.nachumlist.com/obamaethics.htm


2 posted on 02/22/2011 9:45:50 PM PST by Nachum (The complete Obama list at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: Nachum

Obama is scum.


3 posted on 02/22/2011 9:47:17 PM PST by Jack Black ( Whatever is left of American patriotism is now identical with counter-revolution.)
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To: Nachum

The Feds are paying private lawyers to defend them. I think that’s actually better, given that it’s not clear that Obama’s Justice Department is capable of setting aside its prejudices against conservatives in order to conduct a thorough and diligent defense of members of GWB’s administration. Besides, private sector lawyers are generally sharper than the Feds.


4 posted on 02/22/2011 9:54:12 PM PST by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always)
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To: Jack Black

“the government has agreed to retain private lawyers for the officials, at a cost of up to $200 per hour”

“Obama is scum.”

Unless $200 an hour is not enough, I don’t see why this is bad.


5 posted on 02/22/2011 10:00:01 PM PST by mewykwistmas ("If the Egyptians are hungry, let them eat ethanol")
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To: Zhang Fei

Good catch. Rumsfeld, especially has been around since the Carter era, and he knows every dirty trick in the book on how to get back at scumbags like Obama down the line.


6 posted on 02/22/2011 10:00:05 PM PST by max americana
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To: max americana

you guys are too optomistic.


7 posted on 02/22/2011 10:01:11 PM PST by Stayfrosty
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I think with a terrorist suing them, Holder saw a conflict of interest.

Only half-kidding. I wonder if the islamicist is one of the ones someone on Holders staff represented.


8 posted on 02/22/2011 10:04:58 PM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: max americana

you guys are too optomistic.


9 posted on 02/22/2011 10:08:30 PM PST by Stayfrosty
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To: Nachum

what conflict???? he didn’t elaborate??? wtf!!!


10 posted on 02/22/2011 10:15:04 PM PST by GodfearingTexan
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To: mewykwistmas; Nachum

You sort of indirectly hit the nail on the head. We aren’t dealing with a fender bender personal injury case. At this level a $200/hour lawyer is almost a laughingstock. It’s an indirect insult to say they will supply a lawyer but only up to 200 bucks per hour. In other words, they are saying, we will not support you, but we will give the appearance of doing the right thing.


11 posted on 02/22/2011 10:25:30 PM PST by baa39
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To: max americana

Rumsfeld has been around since the Eisenhower era!


12 posted on 02/22/2011 10:26:40 PM PST by baa39
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To: baa39

So have I!


13 posted on 02/22/2011 10:29:44 PM PST by SoCal Pubbie
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To: Nachum

14 posted on 02/22/2011 10:30:11 PM PST by rfp1234 (Le Parti du The'. Ne marchez pas sur moi!)
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To: mewykwistmas

Any private attorney worth a damn will charge WAY more than $200 per hour.


15 posted on 02/22/2011 10:32:22 PM PST by Adams (Fight on!)
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To: baa39

>>Rumsfeld has been around since the Eisenhower era!<

I read the Esquire interview on him and he claims/states he has never sat down during meetings because standing up subliminally hastens the meetings. Same thing with Eisenhower..reportedly. Eisenhower also claimed his meetings were done standing up because sitting down tends to drag the meeting for longer sessions. Everyone gets to the point when standing up.


16 posted on 02/22/2011 10:33:07 PM PST by max americana
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To: mewykwistmas
Unless $200 an hour is not enough, I don’t see why this is bad.

Hardly enough for the type of representation needed. Obama is not scum. Obama is pure evil.
17 posted on 02/22/2011 10:38:35 PM PST by PA Engineer (Liberate America from the occupation media. There are Wars and Rumors of War.)
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To: Adams

I thought about the $500 to $1000 /hour rates being thrown around but maybe the government pays them the medicare rate :) or the lawyers pad the hours...or they agree to a flat rate. Other than that the government needs to defend them, or charge them with a crime if they did something illegal.


18 posted on 02/22/2011 10:48:22 PM PST by mewykwistmas ("If the Egyptians are hungry, let them eat ethanol")
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To: Stayfrosty

I am with you Frosty...why would anyone ever trust the o regime? to play by the rules? Can I please remind everyone about Philly 2008.


19 posted on 02/22/2011 10:49:58 PM PST by mirkwood (Palin-Bachmann 2012)
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To: max americana
I read the Esquire interview on him and he claims/states he has never sat down during meetings because standing up subliminally hastens the meetings. Same thing with Eisenhower..reportedly. Eisenhower also claimed his meetings were done standing up because sitting down tends to drag the meeting for longer sessions. Everyone gets to the point when standing up.

I read an account that Rumsfeld had a desk made that he would stand at      (not sit)
Check out Greta who does many interviews standing as does the interviewee

20 posted on 02/22/2011 10:54:24 PM PST by dennisw ( The early bird catches the worm)
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To: max americana

That is very interesting. When SecDef, Rumsfeld also had a special standing desk in his office, he prefers to do his paperwork and such standing too. I guess this just shows he’s a real stand-up guy...!


21 posted on 02/22/2011 10:56:16 PM PST by baa39
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To: max americana

Rummy first worked for VP Gerald Ford.


22 posted on 02/22/2011 11:10:26 PM PST by Cincinna ( *** NOBAMA 2012 ***)
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To: baa39

LOL, u could say that.


23 posted on 02/22/2011 11:16:25 PM PST by max americana
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To: dennisw

I will always remember Rumsfeld’s special FU to those nations who didn’t join America in the Iraq war..

“France, Germany...they’re Old Europe. Poland, etc..they’re the new Europe”. Truly a classic.


24 posted on 02/22/2011 11:18:53 PM PST by max americana
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To: max americana

yep...I think that Rummy even used a lawyer’s desk, which is one that is standing up...


25 posted on 02/23/2011 12:08:44 AM PST by gman992
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To: Zhang Fei

Yes...they are paying private lawyers to defend them, but the question is “why?” Why is there a conflict of interest unless they are considering investigated them themselves and are considering prosecuting them, or one of their lawyers has represented/is respresenting one or more terrorists?

BTW, $200 per billable hour isn’t very much for the caliber of attorney needed for a case such as this.


26 posted on 02/23/2011 12:25:34 AM PST by dixiechick2000 ("First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win." - Gandhi)
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To: Nachum

We must be sure the Obama administration (if it can be called that) receives equal justice when they are done destroying the country and its principles.


27 posted on 02/23/2011 2:11:00 AM PST by Rapscallion (The founders gave us the tool of impeachment for a reason. Now more than ever.)
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To: dixiechick2000

If it counts any and all legal service (including much cheaper paralegal pencil pushers and form filers) it might not be a bad deal overall.


28 posted on 02/23/2011 2:20:16 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Hawk)
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To: mewykwistmas
I thought about the $500 to $1000 /hour rates being thrown around but maybe the government pays them the medicare rate :)

I doubt that. I should have gone to law school instead of medical school. I only get $67 an hour (pre-tax).
29 posted on 02/23/2011 3:20:53 AM PST by Yet_Again
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To: Nachum

Given that relatives of mine have spent much more than $200 per hour on lawyers, in a backwater town like Pittsburgh, means these are probably not top-notch lawyers in a more expensive town such as DC.


30 posted on 02/23/2011 3:39:41 AM PST by PghBaldy (Like the Ft Hood Killer, James Earl Ray was just stressed when he killed MLK Jr.)
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To: Nachum

Gee, what a surprise.


31 posted on 02/23/2011 3:43:07 AM PST by hershey
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To: Nachum

Thanks for the ping Nachum. I’m actually surprised in a way this action wasn’t taken by this disloyal anti American lot of radical wienies earlier during their term of misadministrating our government.

Another one for the file folder. To paraphrase Maude “We’ll get them for this”.


32 posted on 02/23/2011 3:54:27 AM PST by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists, call 'em what you will, they ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: PghBaldy

Pittsburgh is not a backwater town, lawyer wise.


33 posted on 02/23/2011 4:00:36 AM PST by bvw
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To: Nachum



Video of Code Pink Gone Wild at Rumsfeld's house, May, 2006.

AAR of FReepers Supporting Rumsfeld at his house in DC, May, 2006.

34 posted on 02/23/2011 4:00:52 AM PST by trooprally (Never Give Up - Never Give In - Remember Our Troops)
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To: trooprally
Try these links:

Code Pink Gone Wild

AAR

35 posted on 02/23/2011 4:03:35 AM PST by trooprally (Never Give Up - Never Give In - Remember Our Troops)
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To: Nachum
Miller said “conflicts concerns” prompted the decision. He did not elaborate.

Translation: the Kenyan Clown's circus is far more in tune with Jose Padilla than with Mr. Rumsfeld.

36 posted on 02/23/2011 4:12:19 AM PST by snowsislander
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To: Adams
**** Any private attorney worth a damn will charge WAY more than $200 per hour. ****

Darn tootin'. Mine does.

Then again, he puts 14 yo kids on the stand and makes them cry -- until they finally tell the truth. (he's never lost)

37 posted on 02/23/2011 5:14:02 AM PST by Condor51 (Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a Congressman. But I repeat myself. [Mark Twain])
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To: Rapscallion
We must be sure the Obama administration (if it can be called that) receives equal justice..
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

That won't happen. Republicans never do that.

The Democrat-Marxists can glue the keys and dig out all the “W” keys form the computers, rip out phone lines, trash Air Force One and steal it presidential seal, walk out with thousands of dollars of objects and furniture from the White House and graffiti its walls,....

And...The Repubs will do NOTHING!

38 posted on 02/23/2011 5:28:29 AM PST by wintertime
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To: Adams

Especially in the Washington, D.C. area.


39 posted on 02/23/2011 5:32:28 AM PST by ConjunctionJunction
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To: rfp1234

Since the first time I saw a pic of Padilla, I’ve been convinced he’s one and the same.


40 posted on 02/23/2011 6:12:11 AM PST by savedbygrace (But God.)
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To: Nachum

Who is paying for Padilla’s attorneys?


41 posted on 02/23/2011 6:56:44 AM PST by thirst4truth (The left elected a mouth that is unattached to an eye, brain or muscle.)
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To: Cincinna

Paul Wolfowitz, also mentioned in the above article, worked for SecDef Rumsfeld under Ford and was Rumsfeld’s Deputy SecDef under GW Bush.


42 posted on 02/23/2011 9:41:52 AM PST by Ben Ficklin
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To: D-fendr

The problem arises in part from the fact that many of the DOJ lawyers now setting legal policy for the war on terror previously waged lawfare against the War on Terror during W’s administration, Eric Holder among them. The lawyers now representing us against the enemy formerly represented the enemy against us on related matters. It’s actually scandalous, but the issue has gotten very limited traction. Various “recusals” have been required from these guys, but given the political corruption of DOJ under Holder, it’s a joke.

Rumsfeld’s private lawyers, David Rivkin and Lee Casey, are the best lawyers in America for this case. He’s got the dream team, and is much better off with them than with conflicted former lawyers for terrorists at DOJ driving him into the ditch.

For all we know, Rumsfeld’s private counsel wanted them off the case and provoked this withdrawal by DOJ.


43 posted on 02/23/2011 9:48:04 AM PST by Buckhead
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To: Buckhead

Thanks for your reply.

Do you remember: Wasn’t there a request for a list of DOJ lawyers who defended Gitmo Gang members? Was that ever supplied?


44 posted on 02/23/2011 11:39:01 AM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: Nachum

Holder needs to be in prison already.


45 posted on 02/23/2011 11:47:30 AM PST by Sir Gawain
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To: Nachum
Charles Miller, a Justice Department spokesman, confirmed Tuesday that the government has agreed to retain private lawyers for the officials, at a cost of up to $200 per hour. Miller said “conflicts concerns” prompted the decision. He did not elaborate.

The "conflict" is that the 0bama Justice Dept. is working for al-Queada.

46 posted on 02/23/2011 11:49:50 AM PST by airborne (Why is it we won't allow the Bible in school, but we will in prison? Think about it.)
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To: D-fendr

Grassley was the one asking for that. Just found this article on the subject.

http://liveshots.blogs.foxnews.com/2010/03/03/exclusive-unknown-doj-lawyers-identified/


47 posted on 02/23/2011 12:42:11 PM PST by Buckhead
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To: Buckhead
Thanks for the link. From it, there is a DOJ connection with Padilla, the terrorist suing Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz:
More than five years before that, Joseph Guerra, now Principal Deputy Associate Attorney General at the Justice Department, was one of five lawyers from the firm Sidley Austin to help three civil liberties groups, including the self-described "conservative" Rutherford Institute, file a detainee-related brief with the Supreme Court.

The brief urged the justices to hear the case of Jose Padilla, a U.S. citizen who was held as an "enemy combatant" before the Bush Administration decided in 2006 to prosecute him in a civilian court..


48 posted on 02/23/2011 1:23:27 PM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: Cincinna

No no. He interfaced with Kissinger quite a bit in President Nixon’s administration. There’s alot of misinformation on Rummy in this post. Get his book, just came out days ago, “Known and Unknown, A Memoir”.


49 posted on 02/23/2011 7:48:05 PM PST by baa39
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To: HiTech RedNeck

“If it counts any and all legal service (including much cheaper paralegal pencil pushers and form filers) it might not be a bad deal overall.”

You might be right.

However, in any big city where there’s a concentration of very successful attorneys, $200 per billable hour is still a drop in the bucket.

Double that, and you will be in the ballpark.


50 posted on 02/23/2011 11:53:58 PM PST by dixiechick2000 ("First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win." - Gandhi)
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