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Low-flow toilets cause a stink in SF
San Francisco Chronicle ^ | February 28, 2011 | Phillip Matier,Andrew Ross

Posted on 02/28/2011 6:33:25 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife

San Francisco's big push for low-flow toilets has turned into a multimillion-dollar plumbing stink.

Skimping on toilet water has resulted in more sludge backing up inside the sewer pipes, said Tyrone Jue, spokesman for the city Public Utilities Commission. That has created a rotten-egg stench near AT&T Park and elsewhere, especially during the dry summer months.

The city has already spent $100 million over the past five years to upgrade its sewer system and sewage plants, in part to combat the odor problem.

Now officials are stocking up on a $14 million, three-year supply of highly concentrated sodium hypochlorite - better known as bleach - to act as an odor eater and to disinfect the city's treated water before it's dumped into the bay. It will also be used to sanitize drinking water.

That translates into 8.5 million pounds of bleach either being poured down city drains or into the drinking water supply every year.

Not everybody thinks it's a good idea.

A Don't Bleach Our Bay alert has just gone out from eco-blogger Adam Lowry who argues the city would be much better off using a disinfectant like hydrogen peroxide - or better yet, a solution that would naturally break down the bacteria.

As for whether the supposedly environmentally friendly, low-flow toilets are worth the trouble? Well, according to Jue, they have helped trim San Francisco's annual water consumption by about 20 million gallons.

(Excerpt) Read more at sfgate.com ...


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Al Gore Toilets.


1 posted on 02/28/2011 6:33:34 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

more unintended consequences..........


2 posted on 02/28/2011 6:35:57 AM PST by vanilla swirl (We are the Patrick Henry we have been waiting for!)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

I’ve seen this photo of the Al Gore toilet before. Very impressive...


3 posted on 02/28/2011 6:36:55 AM PST by 2dollarbill
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Future historians will look back at us here in the late 20th early 21st century period and wonder if there was a massive dose of LSD that somehow got spread thru the entire planetary water supply.............


4 posted on 02/28/2011 6:37:28 AM PST by Red Badger (Want to be surprised? Google your own name. Want to have fun? Google your friend's names.....)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Easy solution: ask everyone to flush their high efficiency, water saving, toilets thrice each time, thereby providing enough water to purge the sewer lines.


5 posted on 02/28/2011 6:40:33 AM PST by CitizenUSA (Coming soon! DADT...for Christians.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
They obviously need to switch to composting toilets.


6 posted on 02/28/2011 6:40:33 AM PST by smokingfrog ( BORN free - taxed to DEATH (and beyond) ...)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Al: Bud, sit down. Let me tell you the story of the Ferguson. Now these babies were made in Maine, you know, at the little Ferguson factory. It’s the Stradivarius of toilets. And my Dad could play it like a violin.
Yup, I’ll never forget the time my dad took me to Maine to visit the factory. I had to go to the bathroom. And I begged him to pull into a truck stop. He said no, wait until we get there! It’ll be worth it! It was!

Bud: Excuse me, Dad, but a toilet is a toilet.

Al: (grimacing) Bud... the toilets today aren’t worthy of the name! They come in designer colors... they’re too low! When you flush them, they make this weak, almost apologetic sound. But not the Ferguson. It only comes in white. And when you flush it... BaaaWOOOSH! That’s a man’s flush, Bud. A Ferguson says, “I’m a toilet. Sit down and give me your best shot.” Oh, if only a Ferguson could speak, the tales it would tell!


7 posted on 02/28/2011 6:40:58 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: vanilla swirl

8 posted on 02/28/2011 6:41:48 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife (Allhttp://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2122429/posts)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

I design sewer lines....I’m not sure about ‘excess sludge buildup’, since there shouldn’t be any ‘build up’.

I think what they are trying to explain is that the concentration of waste and gases is higher, now that we are using less water. But, I’m not sure I’m gonna hitch my wagon to that theory just yet. Toilets contribute very little water to sewer...its the showers and washing machines and dishwashers which contribute most of the water.

We typically have these odor problems when sewer is ‘splashed’ around...perhaps where a pressurized line discharges into a manhole, to go to gravity flow. Or, we have these problems when a subdivision does not build out nearly as quickly as planned; and, sewer stays in the pumping station for several days, before the water level gets high enough to activiate the pumps.

I suspect the problems in SF are much more traditional...and, they are using a ‘green screen’ to hide mistakes, and justify extra expenditures.


9 posted on 02/28/2011 6:42:14 AM PST by lacrew (Mr. Soetoro, we regret to inform you that your race card is over the credit limit.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Backed up sewer systems and stagnant fecal matter under the streets. I bet that is great for the environment.


10 posted on 02/28/2011 6:43:20 AM PST by wolfman23601
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To: smokingfrog

11 posted on 02/28/2011 6:43:22 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife (Allhttp://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2122429/posts)
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To: vanilla swirl
more unintended consequences..........

More like.......you get what you pay for when you hire or elect green Nazis to decision-making positions at any level of government. They are inherently unable to see a big picture. In fact, a big picture doesn't exist in their thought process at any time.

12 posted on 02/28/2011 6:43:38 AM PST by downtownconservative
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Could be worse. About a quarter of the residents of San Francisco use the sidewalk as a toilet.


13 posted on 02/28/2011 6:44:18 AM PST by artichokegrower
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To: 2dollarbill

LOL. . .and yes, think we all have. . .


14 posted on 02/28/2011 6:46:01 AM PST by cricket (Osama - NOT made in the USA. . . .and Obama, not made in the USA either.. .)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Quick, someone suggest to SF that they set up a parrellel plumbing system using bay saltwater, for use in toilets. Then they can use all of the water they want. They will spend at least a billion dollars doing that.

SF deserves every bad consequence they get.


15 posted on 02/28/2011 6:46:01 AM PST by SampleMan (If all of the people currently oppressed shared a common geography, bullets would already be flying.)
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To: lacrew
The Great Stink
16 posted on 02/28/2011 6:46:40 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife (Allhttp://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2122429/posts)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Why can’t these morons just leave things alone that we know work perfectly fine?


17 posted on 02/28/2011 6:47:25 AM PST by GlockThe Vote (Who needs Al Queda to worry about when we have Obama?)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
. . .they have helped trim San Francisco's annual water consumption by about 20 million gallons.

Wonder how much water saved by 'slow toilets' is offset by illegals and their consumption. Better 'fast toilets' and more people using their OWN resources.

18 posted on 02/28/2011 6:48:27 AM PST by cricket (Osama - NOT made in the USA. . . .and Obama, not made in the USA either.. .)
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. . .they have helped trim San Francisco's annual water consumption by about 20 million gallons.

Wonder how much water saved by 'slow toilets' is offset by illegals and their consumption. Better 'fast toilets' and more people using their OWN resources.

19 posted on 02/28/2011 6:48:38 AM PST by cricket (Osama - NOT made in the USA. . . .and Obama, not made in the USA either.. .)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Everyone knows the results of government toilets and they want to run health care?

You think it’s deep now, just wait!


20 posted on 02/28/2011 6:49:18 AM PST by SouthTexas (Tea time!)
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To: lacrew

That would be true in most cities, but people don’t use showers or washing machines in SF.


21 posted on 02/28/2011 6:49:18 AM PST by wolfman23601
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To: artichokegrower
Feb 24, 2011: No wonder Tenderloin needs public toilets [excerpt] "It sounds like a no-brainer. The Tenderloin needs more bathrooms.

"Everybody who walks through here says it smells like urinal," said Dina Hilliard, interim executive director of the North of Market/Tenderloin Community Benefit District.

Actually, it smells worse than that. SF Clean City, which does yeoman work cleaning Tenderloin streets, charted the "incidents of human waste and urine," between January and July of last year. Including data from the Department of Public Works, the totals ranged from 600 to 800 incidents a month.

And yet, with all the service organizations in the neighborhood - offering everything from counseling to drug treatment, housing advocacy and free meals - almost none of them provide a supervised public toilet.....

But Hilliard, who has lived in the Tenderloin for 12 years, says when her group surveyed Tenderloin residents they found that "not acknowledging the impact of the food lines in the neighborhood" was one of the top complaints.

"I just find it offensive," said Hilliard. "They are willing to serve food, but not deal with the impact. It is left for the residents, and particularly children, to walk through feces because these groups are turning a blind eye to the problem." [end excerpt]

22 posted on 02/28/2011 6:50:31 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife (Allhttp://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2122429/posts)
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To: GlockThe Vote
Why can’t these morons just leave things alone that we know work perfectly fine?

Because they don't know how to do anything constructive so they go into government.

23 posted on 02/28/2011 6:52:15 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife (Allhttp://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2122429/posts)
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Obviously what they need to do now is to legislate another new generation of toilets that have a microprocessor gizmo in it that flushes n number of times in proportion to the payload.

Everyone gets to feel ecologically superior, and GE gets to get in on the eco-toilet scam.

24 posted on 02/28/2011 6:52:34 AM PST by OKSooner (Obama confessed "his muslim faith" on the George Stephanopolous show on September 7th, 2008.)
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To: SampleMan
SF deserves every bad consequence they get.

. . .and does California. Do hope 'they' pay for them, of course. . .and not 'we'. (As they are hoping...)

25 posted on 02/28/2011 6:53:09 AM PST by cricket (Osama - NOT made in the USA. . . .and Obama, not made in the USA either.. .)
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low-flow toilets

The idea looked soooooo good on paper!

Paper bags.

The idea looked soooooo good on paper!

Plastic bags.

The idea looked soooooo good on paper!

CFL light bulbs.

The idea looked soooooo good on paper!

Ethanol.

The idea looked soooooo good on paper!


26 posted on 02/28/2011 6:53:23 AM PST by TomGuy
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. . .they have helped trim San Francisco's annual water consumption by about 20 million gallons.

That is nothing. That is the equivalent normal annual usage of 1,100 people.

27 posted on 02/28/2011 6:53:27 AM PST by D Rider
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You have brightened my day.I just love it when the law of unintended consequences comes full circle and bites the un thinking eco Nazis on the a$$. no doubt the poor long suffering US taxpayer will get gouged again to do something about it. How much money is that 20 million gallons worth per gal..
28 posted on 02/28/2011 6:54:21 AM PST by mongo141
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To: smokingfrog

>> They obviously need to switch to composting toilets.

Is it part of the operating procedure of a composting toilet to get up after you’re done and smile at yourself in the mirror? :-)


29 posted on 02/28/2011 6:55:18 AM PST by Nervous Tick (Trust in God, but row away from the rocks!)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

I can’t think of a better place - and I hope their gasoline prices skyrocket to $5.00 a gallon - environazis!!!!


30 posted on 02/28/2011 6:56:52 AM PST by ZULU (No nation which ever attempted to tolerate Islam, escaped total Islamization.)
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To: TomGuy

>> The idea looked soooooo good on paper!

Cut it out, will ya? We’re trying to use less paper here.


31 posted on 02/28/2011 6:57:09 AM PST by Nervous Tick (Trust in God, but row away from the rocks!)
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...BaaaWOOOSH!

That's what SF needs.

32 posted on 02/28/2011 6:57:17 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife (Allhttp://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2122429/posts)
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Had a hippie neighbor back in the 70s who insisted on re-using all the gray water for his garden and such.

Clogged up his septic system since only the toilet went into it and had to get it replaced a second time after half a dozen years. The extra water does help. All the Tofu and bean sprouts probably didn’t help either.


33 posted on 02/28/2011 6:57:23 AM PST by Malsua
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Ahhh - the stench that is Koli-fo-nya. You can almost smell it from here. I thought it was the unwashed hippie leftists that stunk. Come to find out it is just their waste, a synonym for their legislative intellect.


34 posted on 02/28/2011 6:58:04 AM PST by RobertClark (On a long enough timeline the survival rate for everyone drops to zero.)
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Low flow...I don't like the sound of that!
35 posted on 02/28/2011 6:58:19 AM PST by NordP (COMMON SENSE CONSERVATIVES - Love of Country, Less Govt, Stop Spending, No Govt Run Health Care!!!)
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San Francisco, have fun reaping what you have sown!


36 posted on 02/28/2011 6:59:46 AM PST by NRA1995 ("In [Mexican] border, we are asking, who are you?" President Calderon of Mexico)
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To: TomGuy

And they all failed....but someone made a lot of money while we jumped through hoops and paid through the nose.


37 posted on 02/28/2011 6:59:58 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife (Allhttp://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2122429/posts)
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To: dfwgator

When I read the article, I was envisioning the fountain in the title shot dropping when he flushed the toilet.


38 posted on 02/28/2011 7:00:04 AM PST by antiRepublicrat
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Low-flow toilets cause a stink
Nowhere near the stink cause by the "no-flow" type.

39 posted on 02/28/2011 7:01:00 AM PST by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: vanilla swirl

SF has always been full of $h*t, how can they tell any difference?


40 posted on 02/28/2011 7:02:35 AM PST by RJS1950 (The democrats are the "enemies foreign and domestic" cited in the federal oath)
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The stench isn’t because SF sewer is full of $hit, it’s because SF full of libs.


41 posted on 02/28/2011 7:03:04 AM PST by melancholy (Papa Alinsky, Enslavement Specialist)
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Oh lord! That was the worst detail ever.


42 posted on 02/28/2011 7:05:09 AM PST by RJS1950 (The democrats are the "enemies foreign and domestic" cited in the federal oath)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Flushing Maddows


43 posted on 02/28/2011 7:06:53 AM PST by bunkerhill7
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To: melancholy

...an EXCELLENT point.


44 posted on 02/28/2011 7:07:31 AM PST by NordP (COMMON SENSE CONSERVATIVES - Love of Country, Less Govt, Stop Spending, No Govt Run Health Care!!!)
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Cholera, anyone?


45 posted on 02/28/2011 7:07:50 AM PST by miss marmelstein
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Very Funny NordP.


46 posted on 02/28/2011 7:08:12 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife (Allhttp://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2122429/posts)
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To: lacrew
Interesting comment from someone who knows about sewer lines. The author wrote:
sodium hypochlorite - better known as bleach - to act as an odor eater and to disinfect the city's treated water before it's dumped into the bay. It will also be used to sanitize drinking water.

I find it interesting that he says Sodium hypochlorite will be used to sanitize drinking water. Nothing new. What is strange is that they plan to use more???? Water quality standards set a range of residual disinfectant concentration in potable water. Put too much of that stuff in the potable water and they will violate water quality standards. Someone is clueless.

47 posted on 02/28/2011 7:08:37 AM PST by LuvFreeRepublic (Support our military or leave. I will help you pack BO!)
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Heh heh - good ole Sodom-by-the-Bay...
Rotting from within...


48 posted on 02/28/2011 7:08:51 AM PST by matginzac
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To: dfwgator

I miss that show....


49 posted on 02/28/2011 7:11:21 AM PST by poindexter
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
San Francisco: How to take the most beautiful area in the country and turn it into a fool filled, graffiti laden mess, hot bed of liberal stupidity. Is there one American city run by Democrats that actually works?

My own beautiful city has been virtually reduced to ruble. Most of the Midwest cities are nightmares of crime and poverty. Full of the effluence of the Liberal dream. Los Angeles, is a third World nightmare complete with their own version of favelas and multimillionaire compounds. The middle class is relegated to the extreme outskirts, content to spend hundreds of hours a year commuting to do the business of both the poor and wealthy classes.

Chicago's South side has become so dangerous, even Barack wouldn't rabble rouse there.

Detroit, Buffalo, St. Louis, Baltimore, Philadelphia, Pittsburgh, Cincinnati, Cleveland, Toledo, Memphis, Kansas City, You name the Democrat city and you will find all the Sh17 you need without delving into the sewers. They clog the streets and the bureaucracy equally.

50 posted on 02/28/2011 7:12:00 AM PST by Jim from C-Town (The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign!)
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