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With Russia's $650 billion rearmament plan, the bear sharpens its teeth
CSM via Yahoo! News ^ | Feb 28, 2011 | Fred Weir

Posted on 03/01/2011 12:16:52 PM PST by americanophile

Moscow – The graying bear is getting a make-over. Russia's military is launching its biggest rearmament effort since Soviet times, including a $650 billion program to procure 1,000 new helicopters, 600 combat planes, 100 warships, and 8 nuclear-powered ballistic missile submarines.

Analysts say Russia, while already the world's fifth-largest military spender, needs strong conventional forces to reduce its overreliance on its aging Soviet-era nuclear missile deterrent. Valentin Rudenko, director of the independent Interfax-Military News Agency, says it could create "a whole new ballgame."

"For about two decades we've had no real modernization, at least not like what's being proposed now," he says. "Russia will finally have a modern, top-level armed forces that are capable of protecting the country."

Deputy Defense Minister Vladimir Popovkin last week announced the unprecedented new outlays, which will see a massive re-equipping of Russia's strategic nuclear deterrent as well as its conventional forces. The Defense Ministry today said the "modernization drive" will begin this year with the deployment of new generations of air defense and antimissile weapons by Russian ground forces.

The impressive shopping spree comes on the heels of a painful military reform that severely downsized Russia's conscript Army, eliminating 9 out of 10 Soviet-era units and cutting 200,000 officers. The goal now, experts say, is to equip Russia's new lean-and-mean, largely professional armed forces to face 21st-century threats. These are mainly considered to be regional conflicts such as the brief 2008 Russo-Georgian war, which highlighted military shortcomings.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Russia
KEYWORDS: arms; military; nuclear; obama; palin; russia; starttreaty; treason
The Russians have out-Reaganed us. Weighted down with entitlement spending and weak economy were in no position to pay for an arms race. Russia, by contrast has the lowest debt of any of the G20.
1 posted on 03/01/2011 12:16:54 PM PST by americanophile
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To: americanophile

Wonder if we are funding it through a global fund of some sort?


2 posted on 03/01/2011 12:18:41 PM PST by USSR Didnt Fall
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To: americanophile

3 posted on 03/01/2011 12:20:55 PM PST by americanophile ("this absurd theology of an immoral Bedouin, is a rotting corpse which poisons our lives"-Ataturk)
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To: americanophile

They’ve got China on their longest border. I can hardly blame them for doing this elsewise they will soon need to contemplate losing the Russian Far East.


4 posted on 03/01/2011 12:24:19 PM PST by MeganC (Soli Deo Gloria)
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To: americanophile
Russia, by contrast has the lowest debt of any of the G20.

IIRC, they defaulted.

5 posted on 03/01/2011 12:24:23 PM PST by agere_contra (Historically every time the Left has 'expanded its moral imagination' the results have been horrific)
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To: agere_contra
I'm not sure they did, but their economy was a wild ride. Now they're in much better shape:

MOSCOW, November 15 (RIA Novosti) - Russian President Dmitry Medvedev can look around the summit table on Saturday knowing his government has less debt than any other G20 country, according to the Guardian newspaper. The British paper put Russia's debt at $76 billion - less than 1% of the United States' $8.4 trillion. As a percentage of gross domestic product, Moscow's situation is not quite as rosy, but President George Bush would probably take a national debt running at 6% rather than 60% of GDP. http://en.rian.ru/business/20081115/118335408.html

6 posted on 03/01/2011 12:28:55 PM PST by americanophile ("this absurd theology of an immoral Bedouin, is a rotting corpse which poisons our lives"-Ataturk)
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To: americanophile
Obama's 850 billion rearmament plan...


7 posted on 03/01/2011 12:29:19 PM PST by skeeter
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To: Tailgunner Joe

a ping

There are a few of us that expect Mother Russia to lead the Ezek 38 war

Not saying you; just a courtesy ping to the thread


8 posted on 03/01/2011 12:30:11 PM PST by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: americanophile

Probably going to go after ANWR ... why not, we’re not using it.


9 posted on 03/01/2011 12:30:41 PM PST by Let's Roll (Save the world's best healthcare - REPEAL, DEFUND Obamacare!)
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To: americanophile

I checked: they defaulted in 1998.

Interestingly, the late 1990s was a great time to default - in that time period the average lag to renewed access to foreign credit (which is one of the major costs of sovereign default) was 3.5 months (!). Credit was everywhere.

If Russia had (somehow) defaulted during the 1980s the lag would have been about 4.5 years, which would have been a body blow for a country.

Their currency ran like a cheap stocking at the time - which I guess worked out ok as they’re an energy extraction economy.

In today’s saturated debt environment formal sovereign default would be very serious indeed: access to foreign credit is very precious right about now. They couldn’t default now - not that that’s on the cards.


10 posted on 03/01/2011 12:46:57 PM PST by agere_contra (Historically every time the Left has 'expanded its moral imagination' the results have been horrific)
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To: americanophile

The Putin-era Russian military has ten-year record of talking big even as it continues to rot. Their defense industry is in a state of utter neglect. I seriously wonder if they have actually managed to professionalize their army, judging by their pathetic performance in the Georgian War (not to mention their motley appearance).


11 posted on 03/01/2011 12:48:40 PM PST by sinanju
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To: agere_contra

...seemed to work out for them. Now they’ll be a serious thorn in our side.


12 posted on 03/01/2011 12:49:53 PM PST by americanophile ("this absurd theology of an immoral Bedouin, is a rotting corpse which poisons our lives"-Ataturk)
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To: americanophile

Yes it seems so. They defaulted with their eyes open.

Hmm, I wonder if such a cheap default opened up fault-lines of moral hazard in their economy or national psyche which may have slowed them down. Maybe their country is now owned by bailed-out bankers.

Oh, yeah, like that would ever happen.


13 posted on 03/01/2011 1:00:44 PM PST by agere_contra (Historically every time the Left has 'expanded its moral imagination' the results have been horrific)
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To: americanophile

I see trees of green,
red roses too.
I see them bloom,
for me and you.
And I think to myself,
what a wonderful world.

I see skies of blue,
And clouds of white.
The bright blessed day,
The dark sacred night.
And I think to myself,
What a wonderful world.

The colors of the rainbow,
So pretty in the sky.
Are also on the faces,
Of people going by,
I see friends shaking hands.
Saying, “How do you do?”
They’re really saying,
“I love you”.

I hear babies cry,
I watch them grow,
They’ll learn much more,
Than I’ll ever know.
And I think to myself,
What a wonderful world.

Yes, I think to myself,
What a wonderful world.

Oh yeah.


14 posted on 03/01/2011 1:02:22 PM PST by crosshairs (Appeasement is surrender in slow motion.)
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To: americanophile; USSR Didnt Fall; lizol; Lukasz; strategofr; GSlob; spanalot; Thunder90; ...
All that weaponry is aimed at the United States and its allies.

Russia/Soviet/Coldwar2 PING!!!

To be added to or removed from this list, please FReepmail me...

15 posted on 03/01/2011 1:02:47 PM PST by Thunder90 (Fighting for truth and the American way... http://citizensfortruthandtheamericanway.blogspot.com/)
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To: Thunder90

It’s cool. Apparently the Russians love their children too.


16 posted on 03/01/2011 1:08:44 PM PST by agere_contra (Historically every time the Left has 'expanded its moral imagination' the results have been horrific)
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To: agere_contra; americanophile

Russia, Greece, Ecuador, Venezuela etc have defaulted and will default again without thinking twice.
http://zerohedge.blogspot.com/2009/02/russia-about-to-default-on-debt-again.html


17 posted on 03/01/2011 1:10:57 PM PST by mewykwistmas
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To: americanophile

BS. The Russians don’t have that kind of money, they can’t even feed their people. This is like putting a sticker on your front door that says “Protected By Security Service” when all you can afford is the sticker.


18 posted on 03/01/2011 1:18:54 PM PST by Cyman
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To: Cyman

Hate to say it though, but after finding out we’re going to lose Texas to LaRaza, that makes our arithmetic at arriving at the White House almost impossible. And seeing how the Russians are building lots of Churches, a flat tax and actively shooting at somali pirates, some farmland there is starting to look tempting. I don’t know.


19 posted on 03/01/2011 1:33:08 PM PST by MrInvisible
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To: MrInvisible

We will only loose to la raza if we surrender hispanics to them. Most who come here even illegal Mexicans want to make a better life for their progeny. They want the opportunity to make money like other capitalists. They aren’t stupid, democrats are not the vehicle to achieve that. We simply need to start the process of proselytizing them. The left is successful only because they actively recruit. We instead surrender them as lost and hope they can understand a tepid intellectual argument. It’s a wonder we haven’t been run by communists 50 years ago.


20 posted on 03/01/2011 1:43:12 PM PST by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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To: Cacique

I hear what you’re saying and I agree to a point. I have some Hispanic friends who are hard-core conservatives and Christians. But these are people who’s families go way back.

The new interlopers are just here to raid the wal-mart that is Texas. I really would like to think you’re right but I doubt it because it didn’t pan out for conservatives in CA. Plus the school systems teach them anglos are the boogeyman.


21 posted on 03/01/2011 1:50:26 PM PST by MrInvisible
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To: americanophile

Oh thank god we signed the START treaty.

So we have nothing to worry about. :)


22 posted on 03/01/2011 2:15:10 PM PST by Tzimisce (Never forget that the American Revolution began when the British tried to disarm the colonists.)
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To: americanophile

To put it in perspective, $650 billion is one year of our defense budget. I see this as an upgrade on the Russians’ part, not the launching of an arms race, something that they have far less ability than we do to run, even with our lamentable economy. This will, however, strengthen their hand in dealing with what they like to call “the Near Abroad,” those countries they see as sitting in their sphere of influence. Georgia, for instance, had better stay cool and not get overly bold, as we’re not in a position to come to their rescue. By contrast, we can readily defend our Baltic allies of Lithuania, Latvia, and Estonia, which are geographically contiguous with our other continental European NATO allies.


23 posted on 03/01/2011 2:25:59 PM PST by eater-of-toast ("It is much more important to kill bad bills than to pass good ones." -- Calvin Coolidge)
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To: MeganC
That's always in the back of their mind, but not so much now as in the days of that wildman Mao, who mixed it up with the Soviets in border fights in the days of Khrushchev and Brezhnev. The Soviets messed their pants when Nixon came to a modus vivendi with China and saw a Sino-American alliance that would doom them. As a grim old Soviet joke had it, "Radio dispatch from the year 2010: 'All quiet on the Sino-Finnish border.'"

I think that this arms build-up is more aimed at reasserting Russian dominance in Central Asia and the Caucasus, and preventing further NATO inroads in Eastern Europe, including keeping Ukraine under Russia's thumb.
24 posted on 03/01/2011 2:35:15 PM PST by eater-of-toast ("It is much more important to kill bad bills than to pass good ones." -- Calvin Coolidge)
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To: americanophile

25 posted on 03/01/2011 3:34:58 PM PST by klpt
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To: klpt

Next step, pull the trigger!


26 posted on 03/01/2011 7:51:02 PM PST by rcrngroup
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To: klpt
Next step, pull the trigger!

Sorry.... pull squeeze the trigger!
.

27 posted on 03/01/2011 7:53:01 PM PST by rcrngroup
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