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Federal researchers declare eastern cougar extinct
Yahoo! News ^ | March 2, 2011 | MICHAEL RUBINKAM

Posted on 03/02/2011 6:40:18 PM PST by americanophile

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To: americanophile

Does that reduce the value?

Ted Turner would say so. Prince Philip of England would say so.

It’s only european people who are having the feminine anti-self pro-others ideas that you express in post #1. Asian people do not feel like that. African people do not feel like that. Arab people do not feel like that.


61 posted on 03/02/2011 7:14:19 PM PST by Christian Engineer Mass (25ish Cambridge MA grad student. Many younger conservative Christians out there? __ Click my name)
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To: Emperor Palpatine

Ah yes...the 1969 XR-7...my first car. Red with a black vinyl top. Loved that 351 Windsor. Great car. Wish I still had it.


62 posted on 03/02/2011 7:15:00 PM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts (Tyrants flourish only when they achieve a standing army, an enslaved press, and a disarmed populace.)
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To: Neidermeyer

Nice headlights on that cougar.


63 posted on 03/02/2011 7:15:32 PM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts (Tyrants flourish only when they achieve a standing army, an enslaved press, and a disarmed populace.)
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To: Eepsy
"The Fish and Wildlife Service fully believes that some people have seen cougars, and that was an important part of the review that we did," said Mark McCollough, an endangered species biologist who led the agency's eastern cougar study. "We went on to evaluate where these animals would be coming from."

Apparently their theory is that they all were born in the "West" and walked to the "East". So they are "Western" cougars. But that doesn't make much sense at all, particularly when you know someone (a logger who spends most of the year in the woods) who has seen a mother cougar carrying her kittens across a woods road in New Hampshire.

But maybe the mother cougar went to Vegas for the weekend and met up with the father of her kittens there. So the kittens are "Western" cougars that were born in New Hampshire. To me that makes them natural born citizens of the eastern part of our country anyway.

64 posted on 03/02/2011 7:15:44 PM PST by freeandfreezing
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To: MissMack99
Those researchers haven’t met Lisa C., 46 of Milford, MA.

My home town. Got an address for Lisa?

65 posted on 03/02/2011 7:17:25 PM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts (Tyrants flourish only when they achieve a standing army, an enslaved press, and a disarmed populace.)
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To: americanophile

66 posted on 03/02/2011 7:18:05 PM PST by RichInOC (No! BAD Rich! (What'd I say?))
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To: mamelukesabre

If all the small dogs were gone how would I know where to buy tacos?


67 posted on 03/02/2011 7:18:33 PM PST by ThomasThomas (it said the speeling was OK)
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To: yarddog

We saw a cougar in our yard, and recorded it’s call. It scared the bejeebers out of me, and I have never been scared here in 25 years! Called the TWRA to tell them, and they blew us off. “There aren’t cougars in Tennessee.”


68 posted on 03/02/2011 7:20:16 PM PST by Grammy
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To: backwoods-engineer
My dad swears he’s seen and heard panthers late at night in the hills and hollers of southern West Virginia, back in the 50’s and 60’s.

I've heard the same stories from my uncles from NW North Carolina.

In fact on uncle was scared to death of them. It seems a panther hunted him once when he was a kid.

69 posted on 03/02/2011 7:20:17 PM PST by seowulf ("If you write a whole line of zeroes, it's still---nothing"...Kira Alexandrovna Argounova)
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To: mamelukesabre

“I thought there were still florida panthers left.”

You’re right, there are still “plenty” of panthers left in Florida.

Rembrandt
Sarasota, FL


70 posted on 03/02/2011 7:20:57 PM PST by Rembrandt (.. AND the donkey you rode in on.)
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To: muawiyah

I don’t believe they wiped out the large predators because of danger. I think they did it for prestige. The ancient greeks would go way out of their way to FIND a lion to kill. Before firearms, killing such an animal was something to be admired. It was a feat of skill and intelligence as much as physical strength. I don’t know much about lions in asia minor. But I do know they have wolves there to this day. Wolves are the reason for existence of the anatolian shepherd dog.


71 posted on 03/02/2011 7:22:48 PM PST by mamelukesabre (Si Vis Pacem Para Bellum (If you want peace prepare for war))
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To: americanophile

I live in Washington state, on the Kitsap Peninsula in particular. There have been no Roosevelt Elk on this peninsula for well over a century, some people say never in mans memory. In the South, the Tacoma Narrows sits nearly a mile across, with 100 foot drop offs on each side. To the SW, there is a route to the Olympics where Elk do reside, but it is 30 miles away, and the land between here and there is lived in, with roads, fences and just generally populated with 100’s of thousands of homes and people. With that said, somebody hit an Elk on the highway, it was so fully developed in size that it survived, only losing one side of its antlers, while destroying the car. There have been no reports of Elk in this area, nobody can figure out how it came to be there, but there it was crossing a 4 lane freeway, where deer are commonly seen, along with bears and an occasional Cougar or Wildcat, but not an Elk. How can they say the entire Eastern Cougar population is extinct?


72 posted on 03/02/2011 7:23:22 PM PST by runninglips (government debt = slavery of the masses)
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To: Christian Engineer Mass
No, it merely means that we are not presently in danger of extinction as a matter of raw numbers. We're humanity facing extinction, I can assure you that I would be most rueful of our imminent demise. I'm well aware of the demographic issues we face, and my post in #1 is not feminine, anti-self, or pro-others, it's merely an expression of my personal displeasure at the longterm trajectory of humanity existing in a homogenized world devoid of all things beautiful and natural. I enjoy nature, I enjoy things that are wild and yes, a little dangerous. I enjoy them for the sake of their beauty and fascination alone. Unlike some, I don't see that as being at odds with humanity, I see that as enriching the human experience.
73 posted on 03/02/2011 7:24:47 PM PST by americanophile ("this absurd theology of an immoral Bedouin, is a rotting corpse which poisons our lives"-Ataturk)
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To: americanophile; Emperor Palpatine
Bah! The U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service is a mighty DUMB bunch. They were the ones that killed all the skunks around one of our best fishing lakes - then wondered what happened to the fish. The skunks ate frogs around the lake, but without skunks, frogs grew in huge numbers, eating all of the fish eggs - hence no fish.

Cougars? We've got more FAR than we want here in the populated west. They kill deer, antelope, domestic cattle AND pets, dogs, cats - and horses. As these killers multiplied in huge numbers - and ran out of game, they began attacking people in small towns near the mountains, then the suburbs of Los Angeles and multiple other cities along the Sierra Mountain range.

In the coastal mountains, we used to have quite a good deer herd - not anymore! There are very few now - and hence the excessive number of cougar (for some time now dying from starvation) has finally became a better more-manageable smaller number.

I used to see cougar almost every night 5 or 6 years ago, now I see one rarely - and I've began to see a few (very) deer lately.

As a hunter, I look at it this way - the cougar is a needless competitor with man for game supply - and we can maintain a healthy game supply without that needless competition.

However, Cougar will always be with us, as the population patterns of man pretty much guarantees that they will be - so long as man refuses to live in great numbers far into the vast mountain ranges of the west.

74 posted on 03/02/2011 7:25:39 PM PST by Ron C.
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To: americanophile
Not this crap again.

There is no such thing as an "eastern" cougar.

Young cougars migrate hundreds and even thousands of miles looking for a territory. All the populations have the same DNA.

75 posted on 03/02/2011 7:27:31 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum ("If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun." -- Barry Soetoro, June 11, 2008)
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To: DTogo

From what I have heard, Cougars can jump straight up 25 feet from a sitting position.


76 posted on 03/02/2011 7:27:55 PM PST by runninglips (government debt = slavery of the masses)
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To: americanophile

What I don’t understand is the group mentality.

I look at EACH person, not a group.


77 posted on 03/02/2011 7:27:59 PM PST by Christian Engineer Mass (25ish Cambridge MA grad student. Many younger conservative Christians out there? __ Click my name)
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To: okie01
"The agency's decision to declare the eastern cougar extinct does not affect the status of the Florida panther, another endangered wildcat."

Some of them are in Alabama, as well.

That's because the Florida panther is actually a North American cougar. It's no longer considered a separate species or subspecies by those who adhere to the truth (those outside of government and not environmental quacks).

The alligator is no longer threatened either, yet it is still protected by law. What can I say, except the government is exempt from racketeering laws.

78 posted on 03/02/2011 7:28:08 PM PST by Moonman62 (Half of all Americans are above average. Politicians come from the other half.)
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To: Eepsy
Does this basically say that the only difference between an Eastern Cougar and any other kind of cougar is strictly one of location? What the heck kind of definition of "extinct" does the Fish and Wildlife Service have in their dictionary?

I think that they are refering to a subspecies. The east and west cougars would differ much like northern and southern Europeans, but in the same way, are still the same species.

79 posted on 03/02/2011 7:28:14 PM PST by exDemMom (Now that I've finally accepted that I'm living a bad hair life, I'm more at peace with the world.)
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To: americanophile
...hundreds of thousands of trail cameras that dot Eastern forests...

What the hell? Does the author know what he's talking about? What is a "trail camera"? What is it watching for? Who monitors it? How did these get installed? To whom and how do they transmit images?

This is really weird. OT, I know, but this really caught my attention.

All you eastern trail hikers -- is this true? Do you see a camera every half mile on your hikes? Do you wave or flip them the finger?

80 posted on 03/02/2011 7:28:44 PM PST by ProtectOurFreedom
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