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Congress blocks ceremony for vet; Remains of last US World War I soldier will not lie in Capitol
Associated Press ^ | 03/04/2011 | Alan Fram

Posted on 03/04/2011 11:32:50 AM PST by RobertClark

West Virginia's two Democratic senators blamed House Speaker John Boehner on Thursday after their hopes of having the remains of World War I veteran Frank Buckles honored in the Capitol Rotunda were dashed, at least for now.

Excerpt due to AP

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: buckles; capitol; frankbuckles
This is a disgrace.
1 posted on 03/04/2011 11:32:53 AM PST by RobertClark
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To: RobertClark

Hmmm. What was Boehners response. Im surprised at this?


2 posted on 03/04/2011 11:34:25 AM PST by GoCards (Why me? Why not me?o)
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To: RobertClark

???


3 posted on 03/04/2011 11:34:56 AM PST by justice14 ("stand up defend or lay down and die")
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To: SatinDoll

Ping to read later. This sounds odd.


4 posted on 03/04/2011 11:37:16 AM PST by SatinDoll (NO FOREIGN NATIONALS AS OUR PRESIDENT!)
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To: RobertClark; All

Question.. Have we had remains of last vets from past wars in the capital?


5 posted on 03/04/2011 11:37:40 AM PST by KevinDavis (Radical Islam is a bigger threat than the LDS.)
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To: RobertClark

Not really. Boehner wants to honor him, just not what the WV Senators requested. His distinction is being the last living WWI vet. He didn’t even serve overseas during the war.

“Steel said Boehner and Reid will ask Defense Secretary Robert Gates to allow a memorial service for Buckles at Arlington National Cemetery in nearby Arlington, Va., “surrounded by honored veterans of every American war.”


6 posted on 03/04/2011 11:40:35 AM PST by saganite (What happens to taglines? Is there a termination date?)
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To: justice14

Does Boehner have that authority? Who’s in charge of what goes on in the Capital Rotunda?


7 posted on 03/04/2011 11:40:47 AM PST by Newfy
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To: RobertClark

I’m sure there is more to this and seeing how it’s Jay Rockefeller and Joe Manchin behind this they probably had legislation attached that spent billions and outlawed Republicans


8 posted on 03/04/2011 11:41:10 AM PST by txroadkill (My tagline disagreed with me and then fled the state)
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To: RobertClark
I don't think Rosa Parks should have been there either. This vet deserves to be recognized and buried at Arlington but he did nothing out of the ordinary except live to 110. If there were another WWI vet still out there, this guy would not be the subject of such attention. While all military service is worthy of respect, he was a clerk, not a war hero.
9 posted on 03/04/2011 11:43:04 AM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: RobertClark

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Woolson

Albert Woolson, last survivor of the War of the Northern Aggression was buried in Arlington but didn’t lie in state in the Capital.

It’s not the first odd thing Boehner has done though.


10 posted on 03/04/2011 11:45:15 AM PST by Snickering Hound
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To: RobertClark

I will reserve judgment until I hear Boehner’s reasoning for it. I personally don’t see why it should be a problem, although I know some have complained that the honor was being used too frequently, and was suppose to be used only for Presidents and the Senate/House leaders who died in office. The only other reason I could think of that they would deny it, (not to diminish his service) but Mr. Buckles didn’t really accomplish anything that any other WW I veteran did other than outlive them all. Perhaps they feel it would be an insult to other WW I vets that died previously with greater battle awards and weren’t given a similar honor.


11 posted on 03/04/2011 11:45:21 AM PST by apillar
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To: RobertClark

something doesn’t sound right about this and of course this is the AP, a propaganda arm of the Dems.

What the AP is trying to tell the idiots out there is that the last vet should be honored and he said no.
That crap might wash with the left who are not known for thinking for themselves but it doesn’t wash with me.

I’ll wait till I see and hear more facts before making a decision and right now this sounds like a hit piece


12 posted on 03/04/2011 11:46:11 AM PST by manc (Shame on all who voted for the repeal of DADT, who supported it or never tried to stop it. Traitors)
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To: KevinDavis
The last surviving veteran of any particular war, upon his death, marks the end of a historic era. The bodies of prominent citizens have been displayed in the Rotunda on 30 occasions, starting in 1852 with Henry Clay, a Kentucky senator and congressional rep. Others include President Abraham Lincoln and Ronald Reagan, unknown soldiers from America's wars and civil rights hero Rosa Parks.

Frank Buckles served in England and France, mostly as a driver and warehouse clerk. After the war ended, he helped repatriate German prisoners of war, returning to the U.S. in January 1920.

13 posted on 03/04/2011 11:46:51 AM PST by RobertClark (On a long enough timeline the survival rate for everyone drops to zero.)
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To: RobertClark
AP got the message they wanted out in the first sentence.

I will NEVER again take these news pukes at their word, not without first checking the story out myself.

If I do someone please clobber me with a pipe wrench.

14 posted on 03/04/2011 11:47:53 AM PST by skeeter
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To: saganite
IIRC, he indeed was in France and then post-war Germany where he met his bride. No combat, but overseas.

Later, he was in the Philippines on business and ended up a civilian POW of the Nippers in World War II.

15 posted on 03/04/2011 11:51:07 AM PST by ErnBatavia (It's not the Obama Administration....it's the "Obama Regime".)
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To: RobertClark

16 posted on 03/04/2011 12:03:25 PM PST by Bobalu ( "Israel must be like a mad dog, too dangerous to bother." ..Moshe Dayan:)
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To: hinckley buzzard

There’s a large part of the population who believe simply attaining a certain age entitles you to to all kinds of things.

Given this is from AP, I doubt we’re getting the whole story.


17 posted on 03/04/2011 12:10:26 PM PST by WOBBLY BOB ( "I don't want the majority if we don't stand for something"- Jim Demint)
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To: RobertClark

This is all wrong!


18 posted on 03/04/2011 12:10:49 PM PST by apocalypto
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To: Newfy

From the article

The honor requires a congressional resolution or the approval of congressional leaders, according to the office of the architect of the Capitol.


19 posted on 03/04/2011 12:12:07 PM PST by rwa265 (Christ my Cornerstone)
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To: saganite

Where did you get the “He didn’t even serve overseas during the war.” The article says “He served in England and France, mostly as a driver and warehouse clerk. After the war ended, he helped repatriate German prisoners of war, returning to the U.S. in January 1920.”


20 posted on 03/04/2011 12:12:31 PM PST by Ratman83
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To: RobertClark

As the last surviving WWI veteran, he became the symbolic representation of all those who went before him. He should be honored in a way that honors all WWI vets, not because he alone deserves it, but because they all do.


21 posted on 03/04/2011 12:14:00 PM PST by BykrBayb (Somewhere, my flower is there. ~ Þ)
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To: GoCards
I perused this: http://www.arlingtoncemetery.net/eligib.htm and cannot see how he is eligible except for a law passed by Congress.

If the above is correct then I cannot see how or why this person would merit this privilege any more than the the 100s of 1000s of honorable vets who are not there.

I have relatives who are decorated vets of WWII and most of them are not eligible. Two of them have Purple Hearts and they have said getting shot wasn't reason enough to be buried there.

I am willing to bet that this man if asked would have said he should not be buried there.

Maybe Arlington should go back to the original and only qualification.

22 posted on 03/04/2011 12:19:14 PM PST by FreedomNotSafety
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To: All

Rather than having a kneejerk reaction to this, why not spend a second thinking about the other side of the argument. This isn’t exactly the best time in history to be opening the Capitol to the public for an event that, unfortunately, has political overturns. Not to mention the recent ruling on the inability to limit, entirely, protests at funerals.

Would it really be a good idea to take this risk and have it turn out to be a nightmare instead of a solemn honor? And do we have the info that they have on the Capitol about these types of security issues right now?

I’m not saying the decision was well-founded. I don’t know that. But I sure as Hell’s Bells know it can be mighty dumb to have kneejerk reactions of “disgust” when all the facts, and risks, are not known.

I say let’s focus on honoring our vets. We can do that without this particular ceremony.


23 posted on 03/04/2011 12:20:41 PM PST by fightinJAG (TAXPAYERS OF THE WORLD UNITE)
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To: BykrBayb
As the last surviving WWI veteran, he became the symbolic representation of all those who went before him. He should be honored in a way that honors all WWI vets, not because he alone deserves it, but because they all do.

Well stated. My thoughts exactly.

24 posted on 03/04/2011 12:36:32 PM PST by RobertClark (On a long enough timeline the survival rate for everyone drops to zero.)
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To: Ratman83

My mistake. He didn’t serve in combat.


25 posted on 03/04/2011 12:50:18 PM PST by saganite (What happens to taglines? Is there a termination date?)
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To: fightinJAG

*Rather than having a kneejerk reaction to this, why not spend a second thinking about the other side of the argument.*

You’re really asking a lot for most Freepers. They see ‘veteran’ and ‘Congress’ in a sentence and their mind is automatically made up.

For the record, I think this is a foolish idea. If people want to commemorate all the doughboys, how about ensuring the monuments & memorials to the Great War are properly upkept and renovated first.


26 posted on 03/04/2011 12:51:39 PM PST by j-damn
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To: RobertClark
As the last surviving WWI veteran, he became the symbolic representation of all those who went before him. He should be honored in a way that honors all WWI vets, not because he alone deserves it, but because they all do. Add me to the list who agree 100% with this sentiment. Cpl Buckles is a symbol of all of those who served in "the Great War" and who have gone before him. He should be honored, not only for his own personal contribution, but because he was the last living representative of an entire generation (or two) of doughboys who served their country.
27 posted on 03/04/2011 1:13:09 PM PST by PaultheMan
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To: PaultheMan
I agree wit the sentiment, but who is going to pay for it?

When do we stop? Last Dominican Marine, last Russian Intervention survivor, last Honduran Occupation Marine, last China Marine, last WW2 Vet, Last Greece MAC vet, last Korea vet, last Vietnam vet, last Desert One survivor, last Grenada vet, last Beirut Marine, last Panama vet, last Desert Storm vet, last Bosnia participant, last Somalia vet, last GWOT vet, or last Democrat Senator?

28 posted on 03/04/2011 1:36:45 PM PST by fireforeffect (A kind word and a 2x4, gets you more than just a kind word.)
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To: FreedomNotSafety
Maybe Arlington should go back to the original and only qualification.

That you had to have lived in Arlington House? Or are you thinking of some time later?

29 posted on 03/04/2011 1:36:58 PM PST by BykrBayb (Somewhere, my flower is there. ~ Þ)
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To: BykrBayb

Ahem, the symbolic representative of all WWI servicemen is the soldier known but to God who is interred in The Tomb of the Unknowns at Arlington.

However, I think that as the last surviving Doughboy, Mr Buckles deserves the honor of laying in state as a means of tying current generations to our past.


30 posted on 03/04/2011 1:40:10 PM PST by tanknetter
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To: fireforeffect

Wow, is that really how kids today see the first world war? Way to trivialize it.


31 posted on 03/04/2011 1:42:07 PM PST by BykrBayb (Somewhere, my flower is there. ~ Þ)
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To: manc

I’m with you on that.


32 posted on 03/04/2011 1:43:14 PM PST by Dawgreg (Happiness is not having what you want, but wanting what you have.)
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To: tanknetter
You're right. I apologize for my rude oversight.

He is not the symbolic representation, but he is symbolically representative. His funeral, and his final resting place, will make an unspoken statement about our recognition of all vets, especially those who served during WWI.

33 posted on 03/04/2011 1:48:23 PM PST by BykrBayb (Somewhere, my flower is there. ~ Þ)
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To: j-damn

I agree.

And it’s worthwhile to speak up sometimes.


34 posted on 03/04/2011 2:04:00 PM PST by fightinJAG (TAXPAYERS OF THE WORLD UNITE)
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To: BykrBayb
Both my Grand Fathers served in WW1. My Father, one Aunt, and two Great Uncles served in WW2. Two Uncles served during Korea. A Cousin went to Vietnam. I have been to Afghanistan. I have ancestors who participated in the unpleasantness in the 1860s, on both sides. I have ancestors who fought in the War with Mexico, the war of 1812, and the Revolution. I have ancestors that came over on the Mayflower and some others who might have greeted them upon arrival. I am not trivializing this veteran's service.

If we are going to do this, let us make it a full celebration of ALL those who served in WW1. Not just this individual.

But then, Where do we stop? Now everyone will expect a celebration. To paraphrase James Madison (the guy who wrote the Constitution), there is nothing in the Constitution that authorizes congress to appropriate money for this.

When the fund starts I will send twenty bucks, just like I did for the WW2 memorial and the Cruiser Olympia.

35 posted on 03/04/2011 2:14:55 PM PST by fireforeffect (A kind word and a 2x4, gets you more than just a kind word.)
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To: BykrBayb
Well said, he deserves it.
36 posted on 03/04/2011 2:26:56 PM PST by ANGGAPO (Layte Gulf Beach Club)
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To: BykrBayb

Check the first law listed on the web page I gave the link for.


37 posted on 03/05/2011 10:04:54 AM PST by FreedomNotSafety
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To: Newfy
One thing slyly slipped in by AP is that both Boehner AND Harry Reid had to agree to it. There's no indication that Reid agreed to it in the story, but the Democrats attacked Boehner. It said that Reid and Boehner were seeking to have Buckles honored at Arlington National Cemetery. Apparently, Reid hasn't signed off on this, either.

This sounds to me like a situation where the standard honor for a deceased veteran of distinction was offered. Having someone lie in state at the National capitol undoubtedly would greatly increase the security and personnel costs. Only thirty people have been in state at the national capitol since the practice began. While people may disagree on whether Buckles should have this particular honor, being buried at Arlington with full military honors is hardly dissing him.

38 posted on 03/05/2011 10:25:57 AM PST by Richard Kimball
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To: RobertClark

Now, I am not saying that she should or should not have been given this honor, but if Rosa Parks received this honor, there should be no question that Frank Buckles should be honored too.


39 posted on 03/07/2011 2:47:43 PM PST by NYFreeper
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