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Anger brews over government workers' benefits
AP ^ | March 8, 2011 | GEOFF MULVIHILL

Posted on 03/08/2011 7:56:59 AM PST by Poundstone

When Erin McFarlane looks at public workers, she sees lucrative pension benefits she doesn't ever expect to get. And it makes her mad.

"I don't think that a federal employee or government employee is worth any more than anybody else who does their job and does it well," said the Slinger, Wis., woman. She's been working a couple of bartending jobs since January, when she was laid off from her job at a Harley Davidson plant after almost a decade.

She's not alone in seeing public servants as public enemies in some ways.

It's a case of pension envy.

(Excerpt) Read more at chron.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; US: Wisconsin
KEYWORDS: benefits; employees; government; pension; unions; wisconsinshowdown
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To: arrogantsob

It depends. 2Gs is enough for an O2 nasal cannula if nothing else. I use “life support” in the generic sense because my comment wasn’t supposed to be about medicine. It was just an example of how the system runs under the leftist vermin.

Insanity? Yea I’m a little bit nuts but “sane” people have utterly failed to stop the leftists. They haven’t even made a dent in their progress. Crazies made this country and only crazies can save it.


41 posted on 03/09/2011 10:17:51 AM PST by Soothesayer (smallpox is not a person)
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To: Soothesayer

There have rarely been saner people than Washington, Adams, Hamilton and Madison. Insanity should be left to the Leftists.


42 posted on 03/09/2011 11:00:57 AM PST by arrogantsob
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To: TruthConquers

The fluctuations in the value of the dollar has nothing to do with the price of gas. If the dollar changes its value by 1% it is a big daily move meanwhile we are looking at 30 to 100% increases in the value of oil. Since you claim a concern for “Truth” you should be aware that oil is priced in dollars which insults us to some extent.

There has NEVER been a hyper-inflation in the United States and very few in developed nations in all of history. When real estate prices are collapsed there is no chance of one now.

I am not concerned about your lack of trust in Bennie Boy but you need to know what you are talking about. That does not mean that you rely on whacky websites for explanations about the Gold standard and the cause of the Depression but that you actually study REAL history.

This also means that if you are concerned about the Fed you need to study its history and how it functions. One little fact is that the Fed actually turns over its profits to the federal government. In other words it functions as an income earning asset of the American people.


43 posted on 03/09/2011 11:10:36 AM PST by arrogantsob
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To: TruthConquers

Correction I meant to say “insulates” not “insults” LoL.

And who is “they”? Who is defending TBTF banks? People who speak the truth are only doing that.


44 posted on 03/09/2011 11:15:24 AM PST by arrogantsob
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To: arrogantsob

“Who is defending TBTF banks?
People who speak the truth are only doing that.”

Oh REALLY? hahahahahahahaaha!!!!!

NO bias there, riiighhhttt. /s

And for the dollar and gas, it is OIL that is CURRENTLY fluctuating. So the gas fluctuates ALONG WITH THE DOLLAR.

But enough of that. You types are all the same, what is up with that?

Accuse of something not posted, state SOME facts but not ALL. Sounds like trollish disruption to me.

AND then telling me I need to go an study... I don’t know enough, well, buddy. I’m a homeschooler, I have heard those arguments before. Not impressed at all.

Drop the arrogance, arrogantSOB, quit posting things about my post I didn’t say.


45 posted on 03/09/2011 12:14:24 PM PST by TruthConquers ( Delendae sunt publicae scholae)
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To: TruthConquers

It is clear that your “homeschooling” has not included any significant economics texts but that is not much different than the schools. Economics is one of those things which takes years of hard study and incorporates knowledge of history, advanced math, logic and other social sciences. Hanging out on the internet is NOT “schooling” schooling is hacking your way through extremely difficult texts whether you like what they are saying or not.

Here are some basic economics texts which you need to go through before you are ready to discuss such issues with adults: The Wealth of Nations -Adam Smith, On the Principles of Political Economics and Taxation -David Ricardo and even Das Kapital -Marx. Samuelson’s text is useful as well. Friedman’s Monetary History of the United States and Keynes’ General Theory of Unemployment, Interest and Money.

I apologize for not being clear wrt the dollar and oil. AT THIS TIME the price of dollar is not being overly affected by inflation of the dollar it has been driven up primarily by the increased risk in the world markets not inflation. That could change and you are right to be concerned about that however, it isn’t happening right now.

You have posted a lot of garbage which I have corrected point by point and added a lot more information which should help you get a grasp on things but you just lose your temper and ignore anything significant to the issue.

When you get older you will understand that being corrected is a good thing and not something you should take personally.


46 posted on 03/09/2011 6:56:30 PM PST by arrogantsob
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To: TruthConquers

“Utah has just passed a law doing just that.

I saw it here yesterday”

Cool! GO, Utah!


47 posted on 03/09/2011 9:30:41 PM PST by 2harddrive
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To: arrogantsob

It is clear that my reference about homeschooling went right over your head. Now, read carefully, you tend to make assumptions based on your own bias.

Homeschoolers were told endlessly about how we can’t teach our own children because we didn’t study for, don’t have a credential, and we weren’t smart enough to do it. Today, a majority of the public sees that we are right. In fact, those silly union thugs in Wisconsin are proving our point. Public schools are nothing but government indoctrination centers.

So, this correlates to your assumption that I need to read six books, and you didn’t even mention von Mises or Hayek, by the way. Your assertion that I need to read six books that you approve of before I can make comments about economics, which isn’t a science, is as uninformed as the public school teachers about teaching.

I think you fail to understand what this site is about.
People post threads to news or interest story’s and comment on them. No fancy degree required. No multiple letters after our names. It keeps the educated idiots to a minimum.

You have posted a lot of garbage which I have refuted and added a lot more information which should help you get a grasp on things. You, on the other hand, ignore anything significant to the issue.

When you get older you will understand that being corrected is a good thing and not something you should take personally.

Besides, I am old enough to be a grandma, silly.

You and your assumption can take a flying leap, arrogantSOB.
Well named you are.


48 posted on 03/10/2011 10:38:06 AM PST by TruthConquers ( Delendae sunt publicae scholae)
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To: TruthConquers
If the rest of your teaching is as slip shod and clueless as your economics then who ever is the recipient of it will be at a severe disadvantage. While economics is not a "science" in the sense that physics is wherein you can run controlled experiments it does take a scientific approach to understanding what has and is happening. Through econometric studies it does propose a hypothesis and subject it to statistical analysis and testing. Just to understand the advanced mathematics involved in that requires years of difficult study in graduate schools.

I could have listed a bunch of other economics books but preferred not to overwhelm (or even further infuriate you) you since I am sure you have read NONE of them nor Hayek or Von Mises either as far as that goes. Those listed are not books I "approve" of but are those which represent how the science of economics has come to be. The point is to actually UNDERSTAND the issues being discussed rather than rely on various and sundry crackpots and outliers who are not taken seriously by anyone knowledgeable in the subject.

While I have not been discussing education in general it is obvious that you cannot teach subjects which you are not expert in. You cannot teach Adv. Chemistry, Calculus or Physics or statistics or a foreign language nor can anyone else who is homeschooling who has not become expert in such things. The idea that I could teach German would be laughable. All those courses are available at the better public and private schools. Now I will grant you that you can maybe teach as well and as thoroughly as a poor teacher in a poor school. But a good teacher in a good school? Not a chance. Outside of inflammatory and mostly false rhetoric what can you contribute? Public schools are where members of our military forces were OVERWHELMINGLY trained so they do have millions of success stories every year. My elder son was one though he hated high school. He is now a nuclear reactor operator having been trained in a six year Navy stint on nuclear submarines. My younger went to a private school (with he also hated) and is also successful. Nor are the public schools "indoctrination" centers of the government. Public schools are controlled by LOCAL people often through LOCALLY elected school boards. This one element where the PEOPLE actually have the most control over political teaching IF they chose to use it or know what to do which they don't. Not that it matters much if they are indoctrination centers since kids generally don't believe what they are being taught anyway. Funny but your style of writing and the rhetoric you use are indicative of those of teenagers not a mature person. People who actually KNOW something are often considered arrogant so I have no concern as regards that.

49 posted on 03/10/2011 11:25:01 AM PST by arrogantsob
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To: TruthConquers

BTW I would be willing to bet that the people on FR have MORE education and MORE advanced degrees than the general population. It is not filled with anti-intellectual Know Nothings as you claim.


50 posted on 03/10/2011 11:28:09 AM PST by arrogantsob
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