The eye of the fortune-teller sees human beings as impersonal pawns moved around and slaughtered by the millions to fulfill some imaginary roadmap of the future. The eye of God sees something like this:
Posted on 03/10/2011 10:12:27 PM PST by newzjunkey
At the same time I believe all of life is under the perfect guidance of the Triune God who orders this world according to His own purpose and will for His glory.
In whose hand is the soul of every living thing, and the breath of all mankind" -- Job 12:9-10 "Who knoweth not in all these that the hand of the LORD hath wrought this?
Gary Gygax, the guy who invented Dungeons and Dragons, became a believer in God, and perhaps even a Christian, during the last part of his life, for just this reason. He came to see that life, itself, is an epic quest, one bearing the evident marks of design, the fingerprints of a Designer.
The Turkish verb seyretmek applies to spectator events, things you passively sit back and watch.
But, I still pray Psalm 2:8, and sing "O for a thousand Turks to sing, my Great Redeemer's praise." I believe God has opportunities for those who look to Him in faith, with glad expectation. The one thing I do know about the future -- God will give those who love Him "the desires of their heart" -- through creative and ingenious paths we never could have predicted.
How are you distinguishing between fortune telling and what Jesus said in John 16:13: “He [the Spirit of truth] will show you things to come”?
Plenty true.
Legitimate Christian anointed Biblical prophecy is
FAR from fortune telling and
hazardously insults Holy Spirit to assert otherwise.
INDEED.
On two levels.
I am familiar with the charismatic gift of prophecy[1], a spiritual gift which, like speaking in tongues, is categorically ruled out by standard, traditional, Israel-centric dispensationalism. If you were a real dispie, you would dispense with most of the Bible, and confine the gifts of the Spirit to the "apostolic age," and the significance of Christianity to a "divine parenthesis," a place-holding operation until God can get back to what really matters to Him -- not Jesus, but a Christ-reviling socialist political entity.
Those who serve God in Spirit and in Truth should be familiar with spiritual gifts, and with the application of God's Word to everyday life. Dispensationalism denies the first skill, and denigrates the second skill. Why bother applying God's word to the tedium of every day life, when we can use it like a ouija board, as a board game, as a means of speculative entertainment for life's spectators? After all, we already know that our efforts are pointless, since God has already written off His creation.
Sorry, I have better things to do than watch life go by. I have a God to serve and a task to complete for His glory. A task so big that it will take several more centuries to consummate -- which is why God gave me children.
In case anyone is keeping track, there’s been a pretty good swarm of quakes in the Gulf of California today. A little too close to home...
If you're saying Satan counterfeits that with "fortune telling", so what else is new? Satan always counterfeits what God does. But that does not invalidate God's desire to show His people by the Holy Spirit things that are to come.
Jesus discussed many of the ministries and purposes of the Holy Spirit in our lives John 14, 15, and 16. The context of Him showing us things to come is John 16:12-14:
I have yet many things to say unto you, but you cannot bear them now. Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will show you things to come. He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall show it unto you.
You don't want to be siding with the Pharisees of old who said the things Jesus did was by the prince of devils instead of the power of the Holy Spirit. Jesus gave stern warning regarding this (Mark 3:22, 28-30).
So, no one ever sins--according to TULIP.
The "reprobate" are that way because God deemed them to be so. They are doing God's will.
The saved are saved because God deemed them to be so--they are doing God's will.
I guess the whole story about Jesus writing in the dust and the adulteress never actually happened?
Ah, jeez...
So--you put your faith into men, rather than Scripture?
No, according to the Scriptures (and affirmed in TULIP) all men are sinners and sin every day.
The "reprobate" are that way because God deemed them to be so. They are doing God's will.
The saved are saved because God deemed them to be so--they are doing God's will.
Men are reprobate because they love their sins more than they love God.
Men are saved by God's grace alone through faith alone in the finished work of Jesus Christ alone, freely and mercifully imputed to them as if that righteousness were their own.
I guess the whole story about Jesus writing in the dust and the adulteress never actually happened?
Wow. The only people I've heard basing their faith on Christ's unknown words scrawled in the sand are FR Roman Catholics.
When did you convert?
How (according to TULIP) does one go about disobeying an omnipresent, omniscient, omnipotent God? Give us details.
Men are reprobate because they love their sins more than they love God.
Agreed.
The only people I've heard basing their faith on Christ's unknown words scrawled in the sand are FR Roman Catholics.
Hmm--where did I do that? I was referencing what He told the crowd, though.
This isn’t the religion forum. You have FReepmail.
The eye of the fortune-teller sees human beings as impersonal pawns moved around and slaughtered by the millions to fulfill some imaginary roadmap of the future. The eye of God sees something like this:
You keep pinging me on your postings dissing prophetic utterances, seemingly indiscriminately. If I read some of your other postings correctly, it looks like maybe you got tangled up unawares with abusive cults and things and had some unfortunate and maybe potentially damaging experiences. I did too. It's possible that what you experienced turned you off to the whole idea of the supernatural because maybe you saw/experienced a certain kind of spiritual abuse. Well I could see how that could happen. Maybe at least for now you want to stick to very down to earth, "normal," and "safe" approaches to who Jesus Christ is. I think I can understand that. But you need to be careful about turning you apprehensions into condemnation and judgmentalism of God's people who don't necessarily share your point of view.
Otherwise as I said, you're in danger of siding with the Pharisees of old who said the things Jesus did was by the prince of devils instead of the power of the Holy Spirit. Jesus gave stern warning regarding this (Mark 3:22, 28-30).
Discerning and well put, imho.
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