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BREAKING: Feeding tube restored to immigrant woman unable to pay Jesuit hospital
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| 3/11/11
| Peter Smith
Posted on 03/11/2011 3:23:18 PM PST by wagglebee

Rachel Nyirahabiyambere and one of her grandchildren.
WASHINGTON, D.C., March 11, 2011 (LifeSiteNews.com) A Rwandan immigrant woman and survivor of the horrors of the 1994 genocide who had her feeding tube removed because a U.S. Catholic-affiliated hospital deemed her care too expensive, apparently will not die of starvation and dehydration thanks to a court order and the efforts of her children.
Rachel Nyirahabiyambere, a 58-year-old grandmother and refugee from war-torn Rwanda, had been denied food and water since Feb. 19 after her feeding tube was removed by order of her court-appointed guardian. Now 21 days later and still alive, another court has ordered Rachels feeding tube reinserted at the request of her familys new legal counsel.
Rachels family has sought legal assistance from the Alliance Defense Fund, which has intervened in the case, against Rachels court-appointed guardian, who was appointed at the behest of Georgetown University Hospital.
The New York Times first broke the plight of Rachel Nyirahabiyambere, a Rwandan grandmother, who once had to survive in the jungle in order to escape the genocide and later the violence in the refugee camps. Rachels sons immigrated to the United States as refugees, where they worked their way up from menial jobs to obtain masters degrees.
Rachels sons brought her to the United States, where she found work that gave her health care benefits, but she lost those benefits by leaving her job to follow her oldest son to Virginia and help take care of his grandchildren. Generally, U.S. health insurance is employer-based, and not portable for an individual that switches jobs.
Rachel was thus without insurance when suffered a severely disabling stroke. She was cared for by Georgetown University Hospital without remuneration for eight months, until the hospital convinced a court in December to remove guardianship from the family to a lawyer recommended by the hospitals attorney.
Andrea Sloan took over as Rachels guardian, and removed Rachel to a nursing home in Millersville, Maryland. The Times reported that the hospital then offered to pay for Rachels nursing home care, but had never extended this offer to Rachels family before Sloan took over as guardian.
Sloan then decided to remove Rachels feeding tube on the basis that Rachel was consuming too many health care resources to stay alive.
She explained her reasoning for having the feeding tube removed to the Times in an e-mail: Generically speaking, what gives any one family or person the right to control so many scarce health care resources in a situation where the prognosis is poor, and to the detriment of others who may actually benefit from them?
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TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aliens; concerntrolls; euthanasia; feedingtube; immigration; moralabsolutes; nyirahabiyambere; onlyforaliens; prolife; refugees; rwanda; terrischiavo; terryschivo
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Andrea Sloan took over as Rachels guardian, and removed Rachel to a nursing home in Millersville, Maryland. The Times reported that the hospital then offered to pay for Rachels nursing home care, but had never extended this offer to Rachels family before Sloan took over as guardian. It looks like Georgetown is backing down, which is wonderful news.
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posted on
03/11/2011 3:23:24 PM PST
by
wagglebee
To: cgk; Coleus; cpforlife.org; narses; Salvation; 8mmMauser
Pro-Life Ping
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posted on
03/11/2011 3:24:10 PM PST
by
wagglebee
("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
To: Lesforlife; BykrBayb; floriduh voter
Ping!
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posted on
03/11/2011 3:24:58 PM PST
by
wagglebee
("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
To: wagglebee
you betcha ..save the immigrants kill the gringo americans
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posted on
03/11/2011 3:26:00 PM PST
by
dalebert
To: 185JHP; 230FMJ; AKA Elena; Albion Wilde; Aleighanne; Alexander Rubin; Amos the Prophet; ...
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posted on
03/11/2011 3:26:31 PM PST
by
wagglebee
("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
To: wagglebee
I guess she did not qualify for free “end of life counseling.”
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posted on
03/11/2011 3:28:06 PM PST
by
Brilliant
To: wagglebee
Maybe if her sons with masters degrees would pay the bill they would not need lawyers. If they cannot pay the bill they should care for dear old mom at home.
That is probably against rwandan custom evidently.
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posted on
03/11/2011 3:28:17 PM PST
by
Fantomw
To: wagglebee
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posted on
03/11/2011 3:28:33 PM PST
by
Gene Eric
(*** Jesus ***)
To: dalebert
lol dalebert read the article. duh!
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posted on
03/11/2011 3:28:53 PM PST
by
dalebert
To: wagglebee
Hey Jesuits,
prolife is expensive.
To: Fantomw; BykrBayb; floriduh voter; Lesforlife; trisham; metmom; DJ MacWoW; little jeremiah; ...
So, you support death panels?
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posted on
03/11/2011 3:31:43 PM PST
by
wagglebee
("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
To: dalebert
Darn. I was hoping to get here before you, so I could predict that there would be some displeased deathbots. It’s not much of a prediction now.
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posted on
03/11/2011 3:32:05 PM PST
by
BykrBayb
(Somewhere, my flower is there. ~ Þ)
To: dalebert
Then I take you aren’t a deathbot. But there are some here. Sorry I mistook you for one of them.
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posted on
03/11/2011 3:34:30 PM PST
by
BykrBayb
(Somewhere, my flower is there. ~ Þ)
To: wagglebee
She lived 21 days without water? Hm...
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posted on
03/11/2011 3:36:41 PM PST
by
A_perfect_lady
(Islam is as Islam does.)
To: wagglebee; Fantomw
I’m pretty sure I saw Fantomw supporting the death penalty for Rachel Nyirahabiyambere on another thread. People should pay their bills, don’t you know.
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posted on
03/11/2011 3:37:04 PM PST
by
BykrBayb
(Somewhere, my flower is there. ~ Þ)
To: A_perfect_lady
I suspect her sons, who several freepers have accused of not helping her, have been helping her behind their backs.
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posted on
03/11/2011 3:38:15 PM PST
by
BykrBayb
(Somewhere, my flower is there. ~ Þ)
To: BykrBayb; A_perfect_lady
I suspect her sons, who several freepers have accused of not helping her, have been helping her behind their backs. And probably some of the workers at the nursing home.
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posted on
03/11/2011 3:39:48 PM PST
by
wagglebee
("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
To: wagglebee
Tough situation. However, who is going to pay for this? Could this be why we are in debt up to our eye balls? She can’t afford medical insurance????? WTF? No wonder Obama is trying to push through Obamacare. So many people feel the need to not have insurance. UGH!!!! On the other hand, I am 100 percent pro-life and that includes the poor folks who don’t have insurance. UGH! God sure made a dilemma for me. I will take the pro-life stance and will just eat dog food when I am ancient due to this women not having insurance. Life is sure great.
To: BykrBayb
Wait; behind whose backs?
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posted on
03/11/2011 3:44:06 PM PST
by
the invisib1e hand
(Every knife in my back pushes me forward.)
To: the invisib1e hand; BykrBayb
Behind the back of the court-appointed "guardian" who sentenced her to death.
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posted on
03/11/2011 3:45:55 PM PST
by
wagglebee
("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
To: Fantomw
Fantomw
Since Jan 15, 2011
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posted on
03/11/2011 3:48:13 PM PST
by
trisham
(Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
To: trisham
And probably a few before.
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posted on
03/11/2011 3:53:49 PM PST
by
wagglebee
("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
To: napscoordinator
You sound, oh, what’s the word I’m looking for here? Concerned.
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posted on
03/11/2011 3:54:00 PM PST
by
BykrBayb
(Somewhere, my flower is there. ~ Þ)
To: Fantomw
When immigrants sponsor in their relatives, as this woman's family did, they are required to sign an Affidavit of Support accepting legal responsibility for financially supporting the sponsored immigrant(s) until they become U.S. citizens or can be credited with 40 quarters of work. The hospital can and should sue the relatives for her costs. The Affidavit of Support usually requires the sponsor to pay medical bills out of pocket.
If the immigrant receives any "means-tested public benefits," the sponsor is responsible for repaying the cost of those benefits to the agency that provided them. If the sponsor does not repay the debt, the agency can sue you in court to get the money owed. Needless to say, our government only rarely enforces the Affidavits of Support.
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posted on
03/11/2011 3:57:31 PM PST
by
La Lydia
To: wagglebee; the invisib1e hand
Behind the back of the court-appointed "guardian" who sentenced her to death. For one. And Georgetown University Hospital. And the cheering section who have been rooting for her death. And for the anyone else who was either involved in the attempt to murder her, or supported the murder in any way.
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posted on
03/11/2011 3:57:55 PM PST
by
BykrBayb
(Somewhere, my flower is there. ~ Þ)
To: La Lydia
If the sponsor does not repay the debt, the agency can sue you in court to get the money owed. No death penalty?
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posted on
03/11/2011 4:00:19 PM PST
by
BykrBayb
(Somewhere, my flower is there. ~ Þ)
To: Fantomw; trisham
Fantomw Since Jan 15, 2011 Oh, well, then you'll be wanting to read this:
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posted on
03/11/2011 4:14:07 PM PST
by
BykrBayb
(Somewhere, my flower is there. ~ Þ)
To: BykrBayb
Death penalty for the sponsor? So you are one of those people who think that promises are made to be broken, and that everyone else should pick up the pieces. I call that dishonest. Wouldn’t want to enter into a contract with you. I don’t have anything against this woman, and I certainly don’t want her to die. But her family should be held responsible for her medical costs, not me.
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posted on
03/11/2011 4:14:07 PM PST
by
La Lydia
To: La Lydia
Read the article. She was working she did have benefits. She left the job to care for her grandchildren. I guess deciding to care for her grandchildren is pretty much proof she is lazy scum draining the taxpayer dry.
Stroke care is very expensive. Private insurance for a 58 year old woman, especially if there were health issues most likely was unaffordable. It would be unlikely for her relatives to be able to afford to pay the bill totally out of pocket all at once. Not sure what the hospital was demanding.
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posted on
03/11/2011 4:17:12 PM PST
by
lastchance
(Hug your babies.)
To: La Lydia
You sure read a lot more into that than what I actually said. This thread is about her being spared the death penalty for non-payment of bills. I never said she didn’t owe the money. I just don’t share the belief that she should be executed for failure to pay.
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posted on
03/11/2011 4:17:16 PM PST
by
BykrBayb
(Somewhere, my flower is there. ~ Þ)
To: BykrBayb
No death penalty? not unless they're in your will.
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posted on
03/11/2011 4:25:40 PM PST
by
the invisib1e hand
(Every knife in my back pushes me forward.)
To: wagglebee
Please tell us your monetary contribution to help keep this woman alive.
Did you contact the hospital to render your support?
Please tell us your support is not limited to a thread.
While this event is tragic..unfettered immigration will be our doom.
To: wagglebee
Your money or my money?
Oh yeah, you have not sent a dime to pay for her care. Have you?
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posted on
03/11/2011 4:39:07 PM PST
by
Fantomw
To: bushpilot1
Please tell us your monetary contribution to help make this woman dead.
Did you contact the hospital to render your support?
Please tell us your support is not limited to a post.
While this event is tragic..unfettered euthanasia will be our doom.
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posted on
03/11/2011 4:39:57 PM PST
by
BykrBayb
(Somewhere, my flower is there. ~ Þ)
To: Fantomw
How much money have you sent to pay for her care, or her murder, as the case may be?
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posted on
03/11/2011 4:41:17 PM PST
by
BykrBayb
(Somewhere, my flower is there. ~ Þ)
To: wagglebee
She explained her reasoning for having the feeding tube removed to the Times in an e-mail: Generically speaking, what gives any one family or person the right to control so many scarce health care resources in a situation where the prognosis is poor, and to the detriment of others who may actually benefit from them? a death panel of one.
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posted on
03/11/2011 4:41:20 PM PST
by
the invisib1e hand
(Every knife in my back pushes me forward.)
To: BykrBayb
Or you could put your money where your mouth is. Just how much money have you sent to pay for this poor women’s care?
Yeah, that is what I thought.
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posted on
03/11/2011 4:41:48 PM PST
by
Fantomw
To: bushpilot1; Dr. Brian Kopp; trisham; DJ MacWoW; little jeremiah; Coleus; narses; Lesforlife; ...
Please tell us your monetary contribution to help keep this woman alive. My family's direct contributions that provide medical care to the poor are in excess of $50K per year. Yours?
Did you contact the hospital to render your support?
My family has given more that $500K to Georgetown over the years. Yours?
Please tell us your support is not limited to a thread.
What is YOUR support? Oh yeah, you want her to die.
While this event is tragic..unfettered immigration will be our doom.
Since when is LEGAL immigration "unfettered"?
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posted on
03/11/2011 4:43:05 PM PST
by
wagglebee
("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
To: lastchance
I read the article the first two times it was posted. I know the circumstances. Her children are and should be held responsible for her care. It is a tragic situation. But, as is inevitably the case, people other than those responsible for the situation (including her decision to quit her job for the convenience of her children) will end up paying for it.
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posted on
03/11/2011 4:47:26 PM PST
by
La Lydia
To: Fantomw; Dr. Brian Kopp; trisham; DJ MacWoW; little jeremiah; Coleus; narses; Lesforlife; ...
Your money or my money? Oh yeah, you have not sent a dime to pay for her care. Have you?
See post #38, troll.
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posted on
03/11/2011 4:48:28 PM PST
by
wagglebee
("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
To: La Lydia
As it should be.
The crap is that his woman HAD insurance. Her sons used her with her explicit consent. They have masters degrees so have means, yet these maggots steal from my People... Americans for Dear ol Mom.
Sad as her position is, there is a finite amount of aid to give. I certainly do not wish to give it to these parasites. Now you who post that the Hospital should pay all cost until whenever have no moral position unless YOU are sending a BIG check to that Hospital.
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posted on
03/11/2011 4:49:14 PM PST
by
Fantomw
To: Fantomw
Why do you ask? Do you want to compare it to the money you’ve spent to prevent her from receiving care?
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posted on
03/11/2011 4:49:22 PM PST
by
BykrBayb
(Somewhere, my flower is there. ~ Þ)
To: trisham
As if that means a dang thing nimrod.
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posted on
03/11/2011 4:50:45 PM PST
by
Fantomw
To: Fantomw
Bullshit. We Americans are not your People.
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posted on
03/11/2011 4:52:22 PM PST
by
BykrBayb
(Somewhere, my flower is there. ~ Þ)
To: La Lydia
I honestly don’t understand why leaving a job to care for children is so horrible in your sight. Also as I said the article does not say what the hospital was demanding in way of payment. If they wanted the full amount or a very large portion all at once it is very unlikely that her family could afford to pay it.
I will try not to stay alive any longer than necessary. I am disabled by MS and had to go on Medicare when my private insurance (from past work) became too expensive.
Please let me know at what point any medical care I might receive out paces my value as a person and I will request it be withheld and make arrangements to move to Oregon and seek out Euthanasia. If I am unable to move there would you be so kind as to make sure food and water is withheld in the interest of keeping the U.S. economy solvent. Thanks.
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posted on
03/11/2011 4:59:05 PM PST
by
lastchance
(Hug your babies.)
To: BykrBayb
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posted on
03/11/2011 5:00:37 PM PST
by
lastchance
(Hug your babies.)
To: Fantomw; trisham; Jim Robinson; little jeremiah; DJ MacWoW; metmom; BykrBayb; samiam1972
As if that means a dang thing nimrod. That was totally uncalled for.
Trisham is one of the kindest and most respected people on Free Republic. If you feel the need to attack someone, attack me, I'm not nearly as kind.
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posted on
03/11/2011 5:00:39 PM PST
by
wagglebee
("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
To: wagglebee
My family has given more that $500K to Georgetown over the years. Yours? Well If true I commend you.. and your family. It wold seem you COULD be this woman's guardian angel. After all you brag of the means. If you do not do so then you are as guilty as Georgetown for this. According to your logic right? However I doubt the veracity of your words. IF you had given that much you could , with a word make what you want happen. Your post does not pass the smell test. Sorry.
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posted on
03/11/2011 5:00:56 PM PST
by
Fantomw
To: BykrBayb
As do I, all what you posted.
I have no problem with extending every life extending measure there is for this woman.
My question is who pays for it?
You, and others , seem to think Georgetown should pay.. I ask... why not you?
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posted on
03/11/2011 5:04:37 PM PST
by
Fantomw
To: BykrBayb
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posted on
03/11/2011 5:06:11 PM PST
by
Fantomw
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