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To: TwelveOfTwenty
While these people try to game women by asking questions about equal pay, they somehow forget these questions.

They don't forget, they over look them for two reasons.

1. Men, in their penis dictated servitude, will never openly support a politician who would ask these questions, so it does no politician any good to ask them.

    The problem with writing those types of comments, is that sooner or later the reader will begin to understand that the writer is writing about his life-experience rather than about all men's life-experience.  This was how the writer viewed men.  It's not how I view men.  Why did the writer see men this way, and I don't?  Because the writer was describing himself.
    A number of the reactions were one way of looking at things.  Unfortunately for the writer, there are other ways to look at things.  Men's actions don't have to be spun negatively at every turn.
    A person can assume that all men are lazy, wimp inclined slaves to their sexual desires.  On the other hand, they could just as easily understand that men value the family unit, don't react at every negative incident, becasue it's better to support the family unit than look for excuses to put it at risk.
    Most men put their foot down when they need to.  Most men don't find it necessary to take action every time it may be warranted.  They are self-asured, not insecure.
    I don't derive self-esteme from joining groups.  I don't particularly find it impressive to see someone go out driving half the nation bat-s--t by constantly talking about the problems they may run into with their anatomical features.  I particilarly don't find it admirable that these groups are exclusivley self-absorbed, and not designed to help out even their own chilren of the opposite sex, their fathers, or their husbands, whose incidents of cancer are roughly comparable to their own.  And this is never more pronounced, than when I see some young boy being dragged by the hand while mommy helps her fellow girls raise funds to extend their lives, so the life expectency gap can be enlarged between her son and herself.
    Men work hard, play hard, and die too young.  At the same time they don't get a charge out of complaining every two seconds about life's inequitable moments.  They don't feel the need to obsess about cancer, or other things that may happen to them decades away.  They live life.  They enjoy life.  One day they die.
    Sure men get a raw deal out life (in some ways), out of divorce in some ways, and yet you hear perhaps 1% of the complaining out of them that you do out of the fairer sex.  And now men get trashed for that too.  Just damn.
    Are you saying you wouldn't openly support a guy who was frank enough to raise these issues?  Really?


2. No politician will risk infuriating female voters by asking these questions, especially since they would gain no male voters to replace the female voters they would be afraid of losing.

    You'd be surprised how many mothers out there would.  They love their husbands, their sons, and their fathers.  The informed ones know of the inequities they face.  They don't like it.

8 posted on 03/12/2011 2:45:25 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Here's the proof of Obama's U. S. citizenship: " " Good enough for our 3 branches...)
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To: DoughtyOne
Lisa Murkowski is a woman? Who knew that?
9 posted on 03/12/2011 3:47:59 PM PST by MasterGunner01 (To err is human; to forgive is not our policy. -- SEAL Team SIX)
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To: DoughtyOne
The problem with writing those types of comments, is that sooner or later the reader will begin to understand that the writer is writing about his life-experience rather than about all men's life-experience. This was how the writer viewed men. It's not how I view men. Why did the writer see men this way, and I don't? Because the writer was describing himself. A number of the reactions were one way of looking at things. Unfortunately for the writer, there are other ways to look at things. Men's actions don't have to be spun negatively at every turn.

The writer is an MRA. What he writes is based upon what he has seen.

A person can assume that all men are lazy, wimp inclined slaves to their sexual desires. On the other hand, they could just as easily understand that men value the family unit, don't react at every negative incident, becasue it's better to support the family unit than look for excuses to put it at risk.

Later in your post, you say that women love their husbands and sons, and would want the best for them. Given this, how would demanding equal treatment put the family unit at risk?

Most men put their foot down when they need to. Most men don't find it necessary to take action every time it may be warranted. They are self-asured, not insecure.

That's part of the problem. They put their foot down when THEY need to, which for them is when THEY face injustice. The time to put your foot down is when others encounter it, so it can be eliminated BEFORE you encounter it.

I don't derive self-esteme from joining groups. I don't particularly find it impressive to see someone go out driving half the nation bat-s--t by constantly talking about the problems they may run into with their anatomical features. I particilarly don't find it admirable that these groups are exclusivley self-absorbed, and not designed to help out even their own chilren of the opposite sex, their fathers, or their husbands, whose incidents of cancer are roughly comparable to their own. And this is never more pronounced, than when I see some young boy being dragged by the hand while mommy helps her fellow girls raise funds to extend their lives, so the life expectency gap can be enlarged between her son and herself.

You have indirectly substantiated the author's point with those comments. I'll leave it to you to figure out how.

Men work hard, play hard, and die too young. At the same time they don't get a charge out of complaining every two seconds about life's inequitable moments. They don't feel the need to obsess about cancer, or other things that may happen to them decades away. They live life. They enjoy life. One day they die.

Play hard? You mean like gunning each other down in the streets? Shooting themselves up with drugs? Flying airplanes into buildings?

Sure men get a raw deal out life (in some ways), out of divorce in some ways, and yet you hear perhaps 1% of the complaining out of them that you do out of the fairer sex. And now men get trashed for that too. Just damn.

Again, you substantiate the author's point. When women fight injustice against them, let's just call it "complaining". Then, men can feel good about refusing to "complain" when their sons are jailed over false assault charges.

Are you saying you wouldn't openly support a guy who was frank enough to raise these issues? Really?

No. I said a lot of men won't, at least not openly.

You'd be surprised how many mothers out there would. They love their husbands, their sons, and their fathers. The informed ones know of the inequities they face. They don't like it.

I wouldn't be surprised, because there are a lot of women who have supported men's rights. Please reread my comments. I didn't say women wouldn't support such politicians, but only that many politicians are afraid they wouldn't. It's men who just might be surprised how many women would support them if they would just make a stand.

11 posted on 03/12/2011 3:56:16 PM PST by TwelveOfTwenty (Compassionate Conservatism? Promoting self reliance is compassionate. Promoting dependency is not.)
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