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roof cracked at Fukushima No 4 reactor (reporting new fire)
Reuters ^ | 03/15/11 | staff

Posted on 03/15/2011 3:07:03 PM PDT by winoneforthegipper

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To: dynoman

I thought this sounded exactly like the story I heard when I left for work this morning.


21 posted on 03/15/2011 3:46:27 PM PDT by Never on my watch (WTF happened to my country?)
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To: dynoman

Belief what u wish....!


22 posted on 03/15/2011 3:47:25 PM PDT by winoneforthegipper ("If you can't ride two horses at once, you probably shouldn't be in the circus" - SP)
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To: 1010RD
That is good news if it is not the building that house the Spent Fuel Rods. Drudge has a red link stating the Fire Department has been called, but they cannot gain access due to high levels of radiation. Probably looking for volunteers at this point in time, otherwise it will burn until there is nothing left to burn. Where are those dang Japanese Robots ? Can they get a Coast Guard Fire Cutter to shoot water onto the area from the ocean ?
23 posted on 03/15/2011 3:47:43 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: GoCards
Our media is in PANIC MODE. I dont know if they can take much more if this.

I actually think a "professional panic" mode is appropriate for the nuclear operators and emergency workers at this point.

The continuously developing scenario is so far outside of reasonably expected bounds (primarily because of multiple reactors involved and catastrophic failure of utilities and safety systems), that a routine response is no longer applicable. They are in the completely unenviable position of at this point of throwing multiple technical spit wads at the problem and hoping one sticks.

Certainly, a bury head in Honshu beach sand denial mode on the part of certain FReepers is absurd.

I pray also that Japan gets a handle on this soon.

24 posted on 03/15/2011 3:56:15 PM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by nature, not nurture (Could be worst in 40 years))
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To: justa-hairyape

If I understand it correctly, you need the water to be purified and filtered or else you’re simply spreading the radiation.


25 posted on 03/15/2011 4:00:25 PM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: 1010RD

They were pumping raw seawater into the reactors though.


26 posted on 03/15/2011 4:04:17 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: 1010RD

You are correct, that is why sea water is last resort option besides the corrosive nature.


27 posted on 03/15/2011 4:06:26 PM PDT by winoneforthegipper ("If you can't ride two horses at once, you probably shouldn't be in the circus" - SP)
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To: GoCards

“Our media is in PANIC MODE. I dont know if they can take much more if this.”


Actually our media is in “KEEP EVERY BODY IN A PANIC MODE.” While there is legitimate concern, don’t think they aren’t fanning the flames as high as they can, and laughing all the way to the bank.

I’m not gonna go along for the ride.


28 posted on 03/15/2011 4:07:23 PM PDT by Do Not Make Fun Of His Ears (The "11th Commandment" applies to Republicans, not RINOs.)
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To: winoneforthegipper

Wonder if local high radiation levels in the air could be activating or warming the Spent Fuel Rods in the nearby buildings ? Not a nuclear scientist myself.


29 posted on 03/15/2011 4:11:17 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: winoneforthegipper

Man it must be getting near time to find volunteers to start pouring concrete.


30 posted on 03/15/2011 4:13:39 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: justa-hairyape
Wonder if local high radiation levels in the air could be activating or warming the Spent Fuel Rods in the nearby buildings ?

No. The spent fuel rods stored from reactor 4 would most likely be stored in a water pool to keep them cool since they still generate some heat from residual decay of radioactive isotopes. Normally that pool water would be circulated to keep it cool. Since that apparently hasn't been happening they probably boiled away a bunch of the water and started to get really hot. They need to have water dumped on them.

31 posted on 03/15/2011 4:17:24 PM PDT by freeandfreezing
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To: freeandfreezing

So the Tsunami/Earthquake stopped the cooling water flow to all the Spent Fuel Rod Pools in all 6 reactors ? Or just some of them ?


32 posted on 03/15/2011 4:22:02 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: justa-hairyape
Where are those dang Japanese Robots ?

As someone who does a lot of rad effects work on electronics, the gamma and neutron environment near a even partially melted core would snuff a robot about as quickly as it took me to make this post.

33 posted on 03/15/2011 4:23:22 PM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: Tijeras_Slim

So the Japanese made robots for pleasure, not for working around nuclear reactors ?


34 posted on 03/15/2011 4:25:21 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: justa-hairyape

Apparently so.

Although at lower levels, robots can function fine in an environment that is still too hot for humans. Even in those conditions, some parts are just too sensitive. CCD imagers used in digital cameras and video cameras become worthless at pretty low levels, reducing image quality to near incomprehensible.


35 posted on 03/15/2011 4:30:37 PM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: Tijeras_Slim

Must be NASA orbital technology that would be applicable, not that it is readily available (understatement). Those close orbit solar probes have seen a cosmic storm or two.

Come to think of it, here at Hanford the contractors have specially designed robotic units which immerse themselves in the old radioactive storage basins and scrape sludge off the bottom and sides of the pond. Not that those are any more available, and they are special purpose and the radiation level is generally much lower. But it is possible to design such a thing within reason.


36 posted on 03/15/2011 4:49:05 PM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by nature, not nurture (Could be worst in 40 years))
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To: justa-hairyape

Proof that they are crafty & technical, but not too smart.


37 posted on 03/15/2011 4:51:50 PM PDT by de.rm (It is better to know some of the questions than all of the answers)
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To: justa-hairyape
So the Tsunami/Earthquake stopped the cooling water flow to all the Spent Fuel Rod Pools in all 6 reactors ? Or just some of them ?

Hard to know for sure unless you are on-site, but typically they use electric powered pumps to circulate the water so unless they are running a pump via a portable generator or using some other scheme there would not be water circulation. However, the amount of heat being generated in a pool depends on the number of spent fuel rods and how long they have been sitting there. For older fuel rods the net heating effect may not be significant.

They've got plenty of problems at Fukushima, but so far the other spent fuel storage pools don't seem to be causing trouble.

38 posted on 03/15/2011 6:52:30 PM PDT by freeandfreezing
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To: freeandfreezing

Exactly. And thank you. That’s the first accurate posting I’ve read on this thread.

Honestly, so many who just wanna flap their jaws (via fingers poking keys) quite irresponsibly. Kydo News & Japan Live TV in English (Google ‘em) offer the most current ACCURATE information. TEPCO can’t make their press releases current cause they’re a bit busy fighting the whole situation to be transmitting reports very often. As well, READ and distinguish between Fukushima Dai-Ichi Plant (No.1) & Fukushima Daini Plant (No.2), which is 7 miles so. of Dai-Ichi. And that Dai-Ichi has 6 reactors - all with troubles, while Daini has 4 reactors, some of which had trouble, none currently as reported (Kyodo News).

Also, someone else discussing pumping raw sea water ... probably not. The sea is full of crud that would clog any pump sooner than not, if not immediately. There was an explanation at one site (uncertain just where now) that the sea water is being pooled and filtered as it enters pump lines.


39 posted on 03/15/2011 8:23:39 PM PDT by Somethng2ThnkAbout (CLARITY HELPS MORE THAN NOT; RESPONSIBLE/SMART READING & COMMENTING, TOO)
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To: Somethng2ThnkAbout

You are clear as mud.


40 posted on 03/15/2011 8:25:45 PM PDT by Palladin (Obama, Ayers, Dohrn, Trumka: birds of a feather.)
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