Skip to comments.Experts Had Long Criticized Potential Weakness in Design of Stricken Reactor (Corrupt GE)
Posted on 03/15/2011 7:55:45 PM PDT by Frantzie
The warnings were stark and issued repeatedly as far back as 1972: If the cooling systems ever failed at a Mark 1 nuclear reactor, the primary containment vessel surrounding the reactor would probably burst as the fuel rods inside overheated. Dangerous radiation would spew into the environment.
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oh come on this was done way back in the 70s wasn’t it .... not that i’m an immelt fan (fart in his general direction)but he wasnt even barely out of college if that.
I trust almost nothing that the NYT prints (and truth be known, I think they are at a much higher scum level than GE). I am concerned that there is a movement afoot in the liberal community to "punish" the nuclear industry. The NYT is publishing articles like this to get the public in the mood to "slam" the nuclear industry.
Remember, this happened to the banking industry less than a year ago. We are still reeling by the NYT led mis-information campaign.
Its amazing that both the Japan nuclear reactor problem and Katrina inundating New Orleans stem from the exact same design flaw.
In Katrinas case the huge generators needed to power the massive pumps to pump out the below sea- level city were placed near sea level, so the hurricane driven seawater overran the generators, disabling the massive pumps. The same thing happened to a New Orleans hospital as the ground level emergency generator was flooded out.
In the Japanese nuclear case, all reactors in the plant automatically shut down perfectly during the earthquake, yet the minutes later tsunami overran the emergency generators, killing emergency electrical power needed to run coolant water into the already shut down reactors.
Its the same simple engineering problem emergency generators- and their fuel tanks- sited too low to the anticipated sea level.
We dont have an unsafe nuclear technology; we have an emergency generator location problem.
Great point. I still think GE makes junk, is an incredibly liberal company that is rotten to the core (including reactor core).
I never met anyone from GE that was not an asshole.
:( We will end up bailing them out.
In fact the reactor design withstood greater than designed forces in the earthquake. It was the tsunami that caused the problems. If anyone is at fault it is the Japanese for not considering the worst case scenario where the tsunami was concerned. Not GE. The Japanese told GE what to design for.
The Japanese told GE what to design for.
That, and another -1 for Japan storing their spent fuel at the same location, using the same cooling systems. Dam.
Go even farther back, to the big NYC/Northeast blackout of decades ago.
In at least one Manhattan hospital, all “essential” hospital circuitry was connected to the emergency generators.
Sump pumps in the subbasements (located below the river level) were not considered “essential”, so the generators located in—you guessed it—the subbasements, kicked in perfectly, then quickly flooded out.
Doctors had to finish in-progress surgeries using flashlights.
It isn’t as if Emergency response plans and staff have not been available.
If coal miners can be dug out of a mine nearly a mile deep on short order, why isn’t there more wherewithal to go into the nuclear plant and bring it under control?
The big lesson to learn here, is that consolidating all emergency response in the hands of a few is not a winning solution.
I once called corporate about a building they were selling. It had been sitting there forever. I called Stamford or wherever they are in CT. The guy in the real estate dept was a VP and was an incredibly nasty idiot.
They polluted all the rivers in NY state and got away with it. GE is a scum company.
“I never met anyone from GE that was not an asshole.”
You got that right. Same here. I had to work years with people from GE, and I’ll tell you I met maybe only one I’d give the time of day to. Glad I don’t have to work with those bastards anymore. Attitude. Real attitude out of those people inspired I believe by the Corporation.
Worked with people from all over the World, and many major corporations, but that damned GE sucked.
............General Electric is such a corrupt, disgusting Obama company..............................
Before you revile GE for all the Japanese problems, you’d best check who provided the design and equipments for each one of the reactors on site!
Before you tell me anything check and see who asked Uncle Sam Obama to back their worthless debt with the US Treasury to keep their phony AAA rating. GE is a scum company with TV networks that love hussein plus TV shows that bash republicans. Tell your boss immelt to shove it.
A very shrewd point.
I have had mixed contacts with GE Aircraft Engine Group (Cincinnati, OH and Lynn, MA) over the years prior to retirement. However, to dump the blame entirely on GE's shoulders is neither fair or realistic.
I once had a “close” business relationship with some GE Capital business units, including RE. Most of the people I knew were miserable.
“General Electric is such a corrupt, disgusting Obama company and propagandists. I hope they are sued for tens of billions for their corruption, SHODDY engineering and dishonesty. GE is a scum company.”
Your ignorance is breathtaking. The GE that built that reactor is not the GE of Immelt, in fact it was even before the days of Jack Welch, and Obama was just a kid.
Not only that, the reactor was built to withstand an 8.3 quake, not a 9.0 AND a devastating tsunami. The fact that it’s still standing it’s a tribute to how well it was built.
You’d look less of a fool if you informed yourself first.
Ping to me for later. GE may not be primarily negligent here, but this event, rightly of wrongly, casts doubt on the GE brand in a very high-stakes and competitive market.
I deal with a bunch as a headhunter. They loved to hire their own. Almost cult like.
We don't have supermen who can go through many feet of concrete and steel and with their bare hands pick up tens of tons of molten, radioactive goo that would kill you in seconds.
According to available information, repeated explosions made the plant uncontrollable and inaccessible. This is big, heavy stuff; you can't send a volunteer with a crowbar to lift a 30" steam pipe and weld it, while it is spewing 1,000 psi of radioactive, superheated steam right in your face. This is when robots come into play - exactly as it happened at Chernobyl. At very least you need bulldozers with lead shielding and a large number of workers, so that they can be swapped out before they get too much radiation damage.
We are all gonna die from radiation leaking from the reactors in Japan. Women, Children Minorities, Gays, Lesbians, and the Transgendered Will Suffer Most.
President and Eternal Saviour, Barack Hussein Obama, Jr. who was born in earthquake-prone Hawaii and is our proud nation's first black President, knows all about this stuff.
Administration sources link the failure of Japan's reactors to George W. Bush's racist hatred of the urban poor and Cheney-firm Halliburton's Global Earthquake Device. Our proud nation's first African-American President who was born in Hawaii is studying the situation as he works his picks for March Madness. His statement on the situation in Egypt is expected soon after he and the First Lady return from flying down to Rio for a big party.
Too late. Someone in Central America smoked a cigarette outdoors last week... we're all going to die from that once the smoke makes its way to us.
Damn that Bush!
I agree that more effort is required than 50 men for 6 reactors working 72 hr shifts.
IMHO, the owners of the facility have been grossly insufficient in supporting those running the plant or if those operating the plant have insufficiently reported their situation, those to whom they report have failed to take remedial action.
I have no problem with those operators backing out. They appear to have been performing at superhuman levels. IMHO, proper management would have been taking measures to have a proper turnover to the next crew to manage the situation.
The impression given in the press is that they all have now just walked away from a mess.
Do you want to know how many US reactors do the same for much longer periods of time?
Hint, most have ALL of their spent fuel on site.
“The impression given in the press is that they all have now just walked away from a mess”
There is nothing really left to do...this site is over, finished, done for...
Nope, sorry to disagree.
There was a certain level of risk the Japanese authority assumed at the time in directing the engineering of the reactor, containment, and back-up systems.
Reiterate one more time...does one plan for a 100 year event, 1000 year event, or a million year event? Most plans Ive ever seen require the 100 year event included as the speck of the design. This event was bigger than a 100 year event.
You get anything that exceeds the designed specs. it becomes an act of God...sh*t hit the fan....
The reality is if the tsunami had been the planned 7 meter event, none of this would be happening. The reactor would be performing beyond design specifications.
So the question remains for over-reacting folks...what level do you regulate too? What risk level do you accept?
It is a double edged sword right now. Forty years ago this natural disaster event in Japan would have likely resulted in the loss of life far beyond what they are today. Building designs etc. have vastly improved since then and that makes this that much more heartbreaking.
What had not been upgraded to keep up with modern expectations? Again, the risk managers would have only been considering the 100 year event horizon, even though more lives would be saved through modern building design. The risk levels changed and actually increased from a 1 in 100 years to a 40 in 100 years and more lives are in play. Japan had just authorized a 12 year extension on these designs. They were taking on over a 52% risk level or higher.
But...if the event occurs...it is an act of God. At what point though is it no longer an act of God? GE wasnt and isnt responsible for the Japanese assumed risk.
Many of these plants were built knowing there were disposal issues too. Scientists and designers at the time figured we would have resolved that issue by now. We have not.
Many plants around the world reprocess or send their fuel for reprocessing keeping the cooling ponds at lower spent fuel storage levels lower. The United States banned reprocessing. Many of our spent fuel pools are near or are at capacity.
At what risk?