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Mexican Criminals, American Guns Did the ATF help create its own crisis?
National Review Online ^ | March 21, 2011 | David Rittgers

Posted on 03/21/2011 11:01:11 AM PDT by Voice of Reason88

The next time gun-control advocates point to violence in Mexico and call for more restrictions on gun sales or a revived assault-weapons ban, they should consider that the problem may not be with the laws on the books, but with those who enforce them. Edit Rocket-propelled grenades and newly manufactured machine guns are not available at gun shows. Further gun control imposed on typical American buyers would have no effect on the ability of the cartels to purchase these military-grade weapons. Edit To acquire such weapons, the cartels put up recruiting billboards to persuade Mexican soldiers and police officers to leave their posts, and thousands have done so with weapons in hand.

(Excerpt) Read more at nationalreview.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Mexico; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: banglist; gunwalker; mexico; projectgunwalker
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1 posted on 03/21/2011 11:01:18 AM PDT by Voice of Reason88
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To: Voice of Reason88
Did the ATF help create its own crisis?

Is this a trick question?

2 posted on 03/21/2011 11:04:29 AM PDT by The Magical Mischief Tour (With The Resistance...)
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To: Voice of Reason88

Dave is a good fellow and I have taken his course on self-defense gun rights, a must for every CCW permit holder.


3 posted on 03/21/2011 11:05:11 AM PDT by DarthVader (That which supports Barack Hussein Obama must be sterilized and there are NO exceptions!)
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To: Voice of Reason88

It’s really interesting that right as the ATF applied for all kinds of new gun regulatory power down there on the basis of some vague “gun running emergency”, the ATF was also knowingly permitting the guns to go over there.

It’s like facing a looming budget crisis they were doing things that would underscore their, “Raison d’Etre”.

I think they should stop Etre’ing —just fire them all.


4 posted on 03/21/2011 11:07:10 AM PDT by gaijin
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To: Voice of Reason88

Can you say “JOB SECURITY” boys and girls?


5 posted on 03/21/2011 11:09:56 AM PDT by Dick Bachert (2012 CAN'T COME SOON ENOUGH FOR ME. HOW ABOUT YOU?)
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To: Voice of Reason88

If this scandal receives the coverage it deserves, we may finally get the long-needed reorganization of the BATF into a law-abiding agency. Too late for a lot of innocent Americans, but necessary for the rest of us.


6 posted on 03/21/2011 11:10:01 AM PDT by ozzymandus
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To: ozzymandus

I’m afraid most of the press will have to be dragged to this story, kicking and screaming.

Now, if it was a Republican in the WH…


7 posted on 03/21/2011 11:18:36 AM PDT by Voice of Reason88 ( Freedom is never lost all at once - Edmund Burke)
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To: Voice of Reason88

If, by “create,” you mean invented the whole scenario, hyped it to the media, and then acted to make it come true in order to further clamp down on citizens’ individual right to keep and bear arms, then yes.


8 posted on 03/21/2011 11:19:48 AM PDT by ronnyquest (Barack H. Obama is the Manchurian Candidate. What are you going to do about it?)
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To: Voice of Reason88

Consistent with Obama’s philosophy that a crisis is an opportunity, this administration also apparently believes in creating opportunities rather than just waiting for them.


9 posted on 03/21/2011 11:21:46 AM PDT by Spok
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To: gaijin

Yes, really kind of Convenient for them that this crisis with guns is happening so that they can justify attaining more power and funding.

You’d also think that the U.S. ambassador to Mexico resigning would be more newsworthy.


10 posted on 03/21/2011 11:24:40 AM PDT by Voice of Reason88 ( Freedom is never lost all at once - Edmund Burke)
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Kinda like Hot Lips Houlihan and Ferret Face Frank Burns. I guess they (the ATF) felt like somebody was “messing up our war”.


11 posted on 03/21/2011 11:48:28 AM PDT by RatRipper (I'll ride a turtle to work every day before I buy anything from Government Motors.)
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12 posted on 03/21/2011 11:57:58 AM PDT by Joe Brower (Sheep have three speeds: "graze", "stampede" and "cower".)
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To: Voice of Reason88

The criminals that control our government are always running false flag pysops to trick the American people into giving up their money and liberty. In this case it was to erode our 2nd Amendment rights by supplying weapons to our enemies and blaming lawful gun sellers.


13 posted on 03/21/2011 12:39:24 PM PDT by Roninf5-1 (If ignorance is bliss why are so many Americans on anti-depressants?)
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Give it a Month and the Government will cover up any signs of Operation Gun Walker. You won’t even be able to find it on Google.

This whole thing will go away with no one being fired or reprimanded/


14 posted on 03/21/2011 12:45:11 PM PDT by Venturer
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour

Is giving gasoline and matches to a pyromaniac a bad idea?


15 posted on 03/21/2011 1:00:09 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Islam is the religion of Satan and Mohammed was his minion.)
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To: Voice of Reason88

What do you get when you cross anti-gun policy wonks with anti-gun career law enforcement officers? An “iron river” of guns flowing into Mexico.


16 posted on 03/21/2011 1:00:13 PM PDT by Redcloak (What's your zombie plan?)
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To: Venturer

It’s growing day by day and it’s not going away.


17 posted on 03/21/2011 1:03:00 PM PDT by BerserkPatriot (There are no 1st Amendment rights without 2nd Amendment Rights)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

Reichstag?


18 posted on 03/21/2011 1:13:35 PM PDT by BerserkPatriot (There are no 1st Amendment rights without 2nd Amendment Rights)
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To: Venturer
Give it a Month and the Government will cover up any signs of Operation Gun Walker. You won’t even be able to find it on Google.

This whole thing will go away with no one being fired or reprimanded/

Wait until the Mexicans begin extraordinary extradition of high-ranking BATFE administrators, then execute them following confessions obtained via waterboarding and other hostile interrogation techniques.

Of course some of them may prefer to commit suicide instead. After all, others have....

Oh, BTW: the US Ambassador to Mexico has now resigned, per CBS: "Gunwalking" scandal final straw leading to resignation of U.S. ambassador to Mexico

19 posted on 03/21/2011 1:18:53 PM PDT by archy (I'd give my right arm to be ambidextrous!)
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To: ronnyquest
“Bingo”, once our government takes a RIGHT of INDIVIDUAL LIBERTY (2nd amendment) from us it will cost blood to get it back. HISTORY: if a government's objective is to control the people at the behest of a few is in reality an enemy of the people. We're there.
20 posted on 03/21/2011 1:22:28 PM PDT by drypowder
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To: Voice of Reason88
Mexican Criminals, American Guns Did the ATF help create its own crisis?

That's already been established

21 posted on 03/21/2011 2:04:52 PM PDT by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: paul51

>>Mexican Criminals, American Guns Did the ATF help create its own crisis?
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>That’s already been established

Indeed; the real question is: “To what end.”

If the end was to “stop illicit gun trafficking” then they are incompetent because they actually encouraged, allowed, and aided in it.
If the end was to “create a boost in Mexico’s guns from the US” then they are incompetent because they allowed it to be traced to them... that is in addition to being malevolent.


22 posted on 03/22/2011 9:36:18 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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