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Op-Ed: Obama Hiding True Motives for War From American People
Fox Nation ^ | March 22, 2011 | Stanley Kurtz

Posted on 03/25/2011 5:29:07 AM PDT by opentalk

Obama doesn’t tell you what he’s thinking. He keeps his motives to himself. Cherished long-term ideological goals are advanced as pragmatic fixes to concrete problems in the present. Now we’re seeing the familiar domestic pattern in foreign policy as well.

Few Americans realize that Obama has had a longstanding interest in multilateral efforts to combat war crimes and genocide. Obama would like to see a more constraining international legal regime on war crimes, even at the cost of national sovereignty, not to mention the blood and treasure of the countries doing the enforcing. In general, Obama has said little about his larger foreign policy goals.

...In 2005, Obama contacted Power after reading her book on genocide. There followed a long conversation, after which Power left Harvard to work for Obama, quic‘kly emerging as his senior foreign policy advisor.

...Most of the commentary on Libya has focused on the tension between Obama’s apparent desire to displaceQaddafi and his reluctance to admit to it. But the chief reason for this intervention is the one that’s staring us in the face. Obama dithered when it was simply a matter of replacing Qaddafi, yet quickly acted when slaughter in Benghazi became the issue. What Samantha Power and her supporters want is to solidify the principle of “responsibility to protect” in international law. That requires a “pure” case of intervention on humanitarian grounds. Power’s agenda would explain why Obama acted when he acted, and why the public rationale for action has not included regime change.

Yet Obama has so far been reluctant to fully explain any of this to either Congress or the American public, perhaps because he realizes that the ideological basis of his actions would not be popular if openly admitted.

(Excerpt) Read more at nation.foxnews.com ...


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1 posted on 03/25/2011 5:29:10 AM PDT by opentalk
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To: opentalk

The first time that the US going to war is none of the voters’ business.


2 posted on 03/25/2011 5:31:51 AM PDT by Darkwolf377 (We don't need no stinkin' consistency!)
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To: opentalk

sfl


3 posted on 03/25/2011 5:34:41 AM PDT by phockthis
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To: opentalk
We are waaay past the point where media should have started questioning Obie's motives instead of his judgment...
4 posted on 03/25/2011 5:37:01 AM PDT by gov_bean_ counter (I am declaring 2011 the year of ME.)
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To: Darkwolf377

Mark Levin has pointed out that in the Libya war, the potus is acting within the US Constitution

but this may be the first time we’ve ever had such an incredibly flawed (and inherently dangerous) human being as a potus


5 posted on 03/25/2011 5:37:44 AM PDT by silverleaf (All that is necessary for evil to succeed, is that good men do nothing)
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To: opentalk

I don’t ever want a President whose motives for anything require THIS kind of tortuous, elaborate and Byzantine second guessing.

It serves NO ONE if the leader of the most powerful national entity in the known universe detaches himself from the legitimate and traditionally observed practices of centuries and pursues an individual and PERSONAL agenda!!!!!!!!!


6 posted on 03/25/2011 5:39:30 AM PDT by SMARTY (Conforming to non-conformity is conforming just the same.)
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To: opentalk
This reminds me of an old saying which I hope Mr. Obama takes to heart. I have attempted to translate it from English to Obama-Newspeak so that he and his sycophants will have a better chance of understanding its meaning.

The best I could come up with is this:

"One man's Kinetic Military Action is another man's Man-Caused Disaster"

7 posted on 03/25/2011 5:43:04 AM PDT by WayneS (Enlightened statesmen will not always be at the helm. -- James Madison)
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To: silverleaf

For me, the constitutional question is separate from what I’m talkingabout here. When has a president ever launched a war from vacation, without telling the American people what we’re doing and why?

His answers have been all over the map. We’re only NOW even figuring out who it is we are defending—in part, at least, it’s Al Qaeda types.

What’s next—will Obama launch Tomahawks against our own forces in Afghanistan?


8 posted on 03/25/2011 5:45:51 AM PDT by Darkwolf377 (We don't need no stinkin' consistency!)
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To: silverleaf
Mark Levin has pointed out that in the Libya war, the potus is acting within the US Constitution

Tell me...does Mark believe him to be a constitutionally eligible "potus"? Does he believe it is constitutional that no American has "standing" to question said eligibility?

9 posted on 03/25/2011 5:52:03 AM PDT by Just A Nobody
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To: opentalk
"Yet Obama has so far been reluctant to fully explain any of this to either Congress or the American public, perhaps because he realizes that the ideological basis of his actions would not be popular if openly admitted.

Yeah...and most everything he does....

Except for looking goofy

10 posted on 03/25/2011 5:52:03 AM PDT by spokeshave (Half-American, non natural-born, starts war without Congress OK, while on vacation in Brazil.)
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To: Just A Nobody
Tell me...does Mark believe him to be a constitutionally eligible "potus"? Does he believe it is constitutional that no American has "standing" to question said eligibility?

Exactly right. I usually listen to him on my commute home. Yesterday was the first time I actually turned him off.

11 posted on 03/25/2011 5:54:27 AM PDT by jersey117
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To: Darkwolf377

Thanks to modern technology the president is never “on vacation”

the US Constitution gives obama an incredible amount of power and authority. On war, no president from Nixon to obama, from republican to democrat, has been willing to give up his power through the War Powers Act.

And in normal circumstances where we are ruled by a competent potus, this is a good thing.

the framers did institute checks and balances
but who can protect a people whose lack of virtue leads them to elect as potus person as flawed as obama (can’t even begin to catalog or diagnose from arm chairs)


12 posted on 03/25/2011 5:55:11 AM PDT by silverleaf (All that is necessary for evil to succeed, is that good men do nothing)
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To: gov_bean_ counter

“We are waaay past the point where media should have started questioning Obie’s motives instead of his judgment... “

There is no longer any doubt that Tass Light is an arm of the DNC who reports into George Soros. When looking at it more closely, turns out Hillary Clinton is Soros’ bagman with unfettered access to every criminal enterprise on the planet.

Looking at it another way, the American military has become George Soros’ personal mercenaries. Libya was a coupe and we were hired to carry out Ghaddafi’s execution.

But I digress. The American people need to destroy the MSM.


13 posted on 03/25/2011 5:55:28 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (Have you terrorized a terrorist today?)
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To: Darkwolf377

“...will Obama launch Tomahawks against our own forces in Afghanistan?”

Why use a Tomahawk when you can send a bunch of lawyers who will REALLY screw the troops?

(Boy, do I wish I was being sarcastic.....)


14 posted on 03/25/2011 5:55:48 AM PDT by Unrepentant VN Vet ((666 and a wakeup) Truth, I know, always resides wherever brave men still have ammunition.)
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To: silverleaf

He is within the Constitution so far and I am really surprised at the ignorance of so many here who did not know that.


15 posted on 03/25/2011 5:56:47 AM PDT by 101voodoo
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To: Darkwolf377
That's really the heart of it. The president is the Commander-in-Chief and he can use the military as he sees fit. The Constitution says so. What we have now, is a president who might possibly decide to nuke England because he doesn't like the queen. He could do it, and it would be within his Constitutional powers.

This has always been true, but we've never had to worry about it, because we've never had to really worry about who is in the White House. Now we do. We don't know who this guy is, but we gave him all the power in the world.

And he is using that power to support our enemies.

16 posted on 03/25/2011 5:57:24 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy
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To: 101voodoo
He is within the Constitution so far

Not if he isn't a natural born citizen.

17 posted on 03/25/2011 5:58:12 AM PDT by jersey117
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To: Just A Nobody
a side issue in this discussion

but does highlight the criticality of forcing our Congress and our USSC to act

Thankfully Trump is busting this into the open - for now - until the long knives who put obama in power come after Trump and the people he loves

Now, back to the discussion of the Libya war and the legality of the potus, any potus, to act

18 posted on 03/25/2011 5:58:46 AM PDT by silverleaf (All that is necessary for evil to succeed, is that good men do nothing)
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To: gov_bean_ counter

This goes for all leftists - they NEVER disclose their true motivations, because they know those motivations would be abhorrent to the “unwashed masses”.

It’s time we started using Proverbs 26:4-5.

For far too long, we’ve let them set the premise of the argument in all situations, then we’ve argued based on that premise. (Prov 26:4 Do not answer a fool according to his folly, or you yourself will be just like him)

It’s high time we start dismantling, or at least not accepting, their stated premise, and state boldly what we know their goals are. (Prov 26:5 Answer a fool according to his folly, or he will be wise in his own eyes)


19 posted on 03/25/2011 6:01:02 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: EQAndyBuzz

With a little luck the Qaddafis will realize Soros’ role in this and take him out before they go down.


20 posted on 03/25/2011 6:01:30 AM PDT by TigersEye (Who crashed the markets on 9/15/08 and why?)
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To: silverleaf

The goal is to have Israel crushing a Palestinian revolt and then crush Israel. Power is an agent of Soros.


21 posted on 03/25/2011 6:03:06 AM PDT by DCmarcher-976453 (SARAH PALIN 2012)
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To: opentalk

Col. Kurtz: Are my methods unsound?
Capt. Willard: I don’t see any method at all, sir.

Apocalypse Now

I think this editorial gives Premier Hussein far too much credit. I don’t think he’s smart enough about anything to have a meaningful plan to follow in Libya, or any of the many domestic troubles we have now.

I recall from just after his Immaculation, Premier Hussein said that all he intended to do was “provide the vision” of how things should be and that he would surround himself with people who would fill in the details of that vision.

You see the result of that philosophy in the ongoing debacle in Libya, the stubbornly high unemployment and the size of the debt, just to mention a few. There is no Leadership from the Regime, because Obama is incapable of leading. We all have known people who were likable and work hard but will always be followers because they are too incompetent to be a leader. That’s who’s sitting in the White House.

There is no spoon.


22 posted on 03/25/2011 6:03:21 AM PDT by Bean Counter (Stout Hearts!I)
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To: ClearCase_guy
We don't know who this guy is, but we gave him all the power in the world. And he is using that power to support our enemies.

BUMP.

23 posted on 03/25/2011 6:04:38 AM PDT by paulycy (Islamo-Marxism is Evil.)
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To: spokeshave

Rush has been lamenting that no one will go after Barky’s IDEOLOGY.

I know, we’ve been cowed into not talking about communist sympathies, much less Satanic ones, because we’ll look “kooky”.

How many of you think it’s not kooky to point out ‘bammer’s Communist sympathies, but would think it kooky to point out his willingness to do Satan’s bidding?


24 posted on 03/25/2011 6:04:38 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: MrB
Outstanding and quite relevant references.

Thanks!!!

25 posted on 03/25/2011 6:06:36 AM PDT by gov_bean_ counter (I am declaring 2011 the year of ME.)
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To: opentalk
from The Rise of Samantha Power and the risks for the American- Israel relationship

--One more clue to Power being the promoter of the R2P concept within the Obama administration is her history. She opened a symposium put on the by the International Coalition for The Responsibility To Protect (ICR2P) as recently as November, 2010, with a keynote address

26 posted on 03/25/2011 6:06:41 AM PDT by opentalk
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To: DCmarcher-976453
The goal is to have Israel crushing a Palestinian revolt and then crush Israel.

You nailed it.

27 posted on 03/25/2011 6:06:50 AM PDT by jersey117
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To: jersey117

C’mon, you know what I was referring to....don’t you?


28 posted on 03/25/2011 6:07:42 AM PDT by 101voodoo
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To: jersey117

You are a better “man” than I. I turned him, and all the other “conservative” talkers, off 3 years ago during the primaries. The only time I listen to any of them is when I’m traveling.


29 posted on 03/25/2011 6:08:11 AM PDT by Just A Nobody
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To: Darkwolf377

“What’s next—will Obama launch Tomahawks against our own forces in Afghanistan?”

Don’t put it past this treasonous sob poser. The faster he can destroy this country, the happier he’ll be. And he has to do it quickly because some of his koolaid drinkers just might awaken from their stupor.


30 posted on 03/25/2011 6:09:38 AM PDT by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like what you say))
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To: 101voodoo
After being educated by Mark Levin, it seems the conservatives who are focusing on the war being “illegal” are wasting time and credibility on ignorance of the Constitution

and those wanting to use this evolving war to challenge obama’s birth, are wasting precious time and energy in the here-and-now, over an issue the Congress and courts have demonstrated an unwillingness to proceed. On the birther issue, it seems it is up to we the people, to protect ourselves, by not reelecting this man in 2012.

In 2012, we can go to our polling places in fire houses and schools and community centers, and we can overthrow the obama government.

Meanwhile, to stop the madness of his ruinous policies, we must insist that our Congress act, and critically evaluate obama’s competence to hold the power he holds, and strip him of it by impeachment if necessary

31 posted on 03/25/2011 6:10:50 AM PDT by silverleaf (All that is necessary for evil to succeed, is that good men do nothing)
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To: 101voodoo

I do. But I don’t think any of it matters if he’s illegitimate to begin with. There are far too many questions about not only his birth certificate - but all of his papers. I mean, we actually have the president of the United States running around using someone else’s social security number. That is illegal.


32 posted on 03/25/2011 6:11:24 AM PDT by jersey117
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To: opentalk
When a President acts criminally or against the interests of the American people it is up to our elected representatives to begin impeachment proceedings. Sadly for us we have no politicians with the courage or foresight to do so.Our Nation's sovereignty is in dire peril and they do nothing.
33 posted on 03/25/2011 6:13:51 AM PDT by Apercu ("Obama is graffiti on the wall of American History")
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To: Darkwolf377

Don’t forget Cambodia.........Nixon was bombing places with no authority too


34 posted on 03/25/2011 6:14:57 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: jersey117
thread,
The Gadhafi precedent: Could attack on Libya set the stage for action against Israel?
35 posted on 03/25/2011 6:14:59 AM PDT by opentalk
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To: opentalk

Kurtz is out of his mind.


36 posted on 03/25/2011 6:15:11 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: DCmarcher-976453

gathering NATO as a force to “protect citizens” of the region in a “humanitarian” operation, may just set those forces in place to be used against Israel, eventually, eh

Certainly the “UN” as a collection of despots, could easily demand it. And we have seen that this administration is led and ruled by ideologues and bureaucrats who have long believed the UN and “international law” to be greater than the US and US law.

who could have thought the prophecies of this happening, this future coalition against Israel, would develop so rapidly


37 posted on 03/25/2011 6:17:00 AM PDT by silverleaf (All that is necessary for evil to succeed, is that good men do nothing)
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To: opentalk

Guns for oil.


38 posted on 03/25/2011 6:17:53 AM PDT by Inwoodian
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To: DCmarcher-976453

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2694411/posts

It has begun

“Hamas calling on UN to stop Israeli aggression”


39 posted on 03/25/2011 6:25:11 AM PDT by silverleaf (All that is necessary for evil to succeed, is that good men do nothing)
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To: opentalk

Beck pointed all this Stephanie Power stuff in great detail yesterday. But, of course, he’s a nut case, right?

My concern also is that in his hatred for Israel, Obama is motivated by a desire to unify the Arab world under islamism, theorizing that only disunity has thwarted the Arabs in their self-determination, i.e. annihilation of Israel.

The articles of a year or two ago about his abiding hatred of colonial states and their progeny also goes a long way toward explaining his long-term goals.


40 posted on 03/25/2011 6:27:09 AM PDT by Chaguito
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To: jersey117

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2694411/posts

It has begun

Are we sure those 4,000 US marines headed to the Med are going to Libya?


41 posted on 03/25/2011 6:27:18 AM PDT by silverleaf (All that is necessary for evil to succeed, is that good men do nothing)
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To: silverleaf
a side issue in this discussion

Actually I do not believe it is a side issue. Anytime the constitutionality of any act is brought up I shake my head in disgust.

Unless or until the poe soiling the WH is deemed constitutionally eligible we are not a functioning Constitutional Republic, governed by the rule of law. IOW, the constitution is dead...burned, shredded and its ashes blown into the wind on 1-20-09.

Remove the 800 pound gorilla in the room or nothing else is relevant.

42 posted on 03/25/2011 6:28:14 AM PDT by Just A Nobody (Beware the ENEMEDIA ... Never Again! Support our Troops!)
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To: Just A Nobody

then you keep petitioning your congressman to remove obama because of his birth

and I will petition mine to control or impeach him because of the lunacy of his policies to US inteersts

let’s see which approach works better and faster


43 posted on 03/25/2011 6:31:28 AM PDT by silverleaf (All that is necessary for evil to succeed, is that good men do nothing)
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To: MrB
Proverbs 26:4-5

Thank you, MrB! Excellent reference.

44 posted on 03/25/2011 6:32:16 AM PDT by Just A Nobody (Beware the ENEMEDIA ... Never Again! Support our Troops!)
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To: Bean Counter
IMO, Barry doesn't care about being a "leader." He doesn't care what people think...it's his agenda that matters. If he can go on vacation and play golf when he wants, he is perfectly happy to leave the dirty work to the underlings he has in the WH...who have written books on acheiving the New World Order.

Beck tied the dots on most of this yesterday. The woman who wrote the book mentioned in this article is married to Cass Sustine. (sp?) He's the one who thinks animals should have the right to sue their owners. Both came from Harvard. Soros is funding the group to put her theories into action and it involves Isreal and Palestinians. I probably have some of this screwed up but the point is, they know what they are doing...and don't want us to know.

We keep comparing Barry to the American presidents of the past and this imposter is a whole new breed that we can't even comprehend, IMO.

I also think the lazy MSM don't have a grasp on what they are NOT covering and what a mess we're in. I don't think he should be impeached...I think he should be arrested and tried in court for trying to overthrow our government.

45 posted on 03/25/2011 6:33:28 AM PDT by lonestar (It takes a village of idiots to elect a village idiot.)
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To: silverleaf

In 2012, we can go to our polling places in fire houses and schools and community centers, and we can overthrow the Obama government.

Meanwhile, to stop the madness of his ruinous policies, we must insist that our Congress act, and critically evaluate Obama’s competence to hold the power he holds, and strip him of it by impeachment if necessary

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Couldn’t agree more. Throw the Obama regime out AND whichever Congress creatures who are either aiding and abetting him OR are not actively working against his ruiness agenda, even if they are on the Right.


46 posted on 03/25/2011 6:40:01 AM PDT by 101voodoo
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To: WayneS
"One man's Kinetic Military Action is another man's Man-Caused Disaster"

Kind of makes one nostalgic for the days when the Newspeak included, "pre-dawn vertical insertion." At least that one had a bit of humor to it.

47 posted on 03/25/2011 6:41:03 AM PDT by newheart (The trouble ain't too many fools, but that the lightning ain't distributed right. -Mark Twain)
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To: jersey117
we actually have the president of the United States running around using someone else’s social security number. That is illegal.

It is only illegal if legitimate, law abiding, US citizens do it. If illegal alien invaders or Barry do it, it is a constitutionally protected right, doncha know.

One of my favorite quotes:
"Only in America can a man who doesn’t exist grow up to be President." -- Judi McCloud, Canada Free Press

48 posted on 03/25/2011 6:41:41 AM PDT by Just A Nobody (Beware the ENEMEDIA ... Never Again! Support our Troops!)
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To: silverleaf
let’s see which approach works better and faster

*sigh* Neither approach will work and I think you and I both know that.

Seriously not trying to pick a fight here. The entire matter is quite simply disgusting and very upsetting to me. I have had to take frequent long term breaks from politics and political discussion over the past 3 years. It is about time for another.

49 posted on 03/25/2011 6:48:58 AM PDT by Just A Nobody (Beware the ENEMEDIA ... Never Again! Support our Troops!)
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To: opentalk
Obama’s purpose in going to war with Libya is to replace an insane Moslem despot who is contained with insane radical Moslem fanatics bent on world conquest.

His goal is the destruction of America and western civilization through his religion, Islam.

50 posted on 03/25/2011 6:49:51 AM PDT by DakotaGator (Weep for the lost Republic! And keep your powder dry!!)
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