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A Dream Still Deferred In Detroit
New York Times ^ | March 26, 2011 | Thomas J Sugrue

Posted on 03/26/2011 10:44:17 PM PDT by WeatherGuy

At first glance, the numbers released by the Census Bureau last week showing a precipitous drop in Detroit’s population — 25 percent over the last decade — seem to bear a silver lining: most of those leaving the city are blacks headed to the suburbs, once the refuge of mid-century white flight.

But a closer analysis of the data suggests that the story of housing discrimination that has dominated American urban life since the early 20th century is far from over.

Detroit is not the only American city to face persistent residential segregation, but it is among the worst: it has ranked among the 10 most segregated metropolitan areas in the United States since the mid-20th century (though the rate of black-white segregation there has fallen markedly in the last decade, as blacks have moved into once-exclusive white neighborhoods).

As Detroit’s black population skyrocketed during the Great Migration from the South, the city’s whites fought what they called the “Negro invasion” with every tool at their disposal. From 1945 to 1965 whites attacked at least 250 black families — usually the first or second to move into all-white neighborhoods — breaking windows, burning crosses and vandalizing homes.

When white Detroiters could not win by fighting, they fled to the suburbs. Indeed, for a half-century beginning in the 1950s, Detroit lost nearly half of its population, almost all whites.

Those who left the city cited various reasons: desire for a little green space, new housing, better schools, freedom from crime. Few of them acknowledged the racial motive behind white flight, that words like “freedom from crime” were code for moving away from blacks.

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1 posted on 03/26/2011 10:44:20 PM PDT by WeatherGuy
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To: WeatherGuy

Real city on the move. Right?

http://detroiturbex.com/index.html


2 posted on 03/26/2011 10:47:09 PM PDT by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: WeatherGuy
There's no housing segregation in Detroit.

Nobody in their right mind wants to live there.

3 posted on 03/26/2011 10:48:19 PM PDT by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: WeatherGuy

“It’s not clear that this new migration is a positive step, even if it allows blacks to escape the city and its troubles. For whites, suburbs have often been a big step up — but as long as most blacks find themselves in secondhand suburbia, the American dream of security, prosperity and opportunity will remain harder to achieve.”

The Left is always going to put the blame on Whitey for the problems Blacks create for themselves.


4 posted on 03/26/2011 10:56:38 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: WeatherGuy

I guess it’s too un-pc to say that you’d have to be crazy or stoooopid to stick around that city.... so they blame whites.


5 posted on 03/26/2011 10:57:07 PM PDT by bitt ( ..Congress - either investigate Obama ...or yourselves, for complicity)
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To: WeatherGuy
Few of them acknowledged the racial motive behind white flight, that words like “freedom from crime” were code for moving away from blacks.

Or maybe, just maybe, “freedom from crime” is code for “freedom from crime”.

6 posted on 03/26/2011 10:57:07 PM PDT by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: WeatherGuy

Another “what are going to believe? Us, or your lying eyes?” article on race in the leftwing media.


7 posted on 03/26/2011 10:57:27 PM PDT by triumphant values (Never criticize that to your right.)
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To: All

“freedom from crime” is about any race that is allowed to take over areas of our cities and make them un-livable.

White trash, Hispanics, Blacks, Muslims and Asians all have made certain areas a hellhole. But one race is the Champion of this cause. And one race screams “I am the victim” louder then all others put together while they destroy every neighborhood they become a majority in.


8 posted on 03/26/2011 10:57:50 PM PDT by liberty or death
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To: WeatherGuy
"From 1945 to 1965 whites attacked at least 250 black families..."

Sounds like the Democrats back then were just as racist as they are today....

9 posted on 03/26/2011 10:59:15 PM PDT by goodnesswins (Unlike the West, the Islamic world is serious.)
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To: WeatherGuy

It’s too late to get into black racism, Coleman Young, filhy unions, democrats, socialists, government welfare, Conyers, (wife in fed prison) Kilpatricks, (congresswoman spawned mayor in fed prison) the projects, welfare babies, taxation, and everything else since Detroit essentially made the metal to end WWII in Europe.

Those were the days.


10 posted on 03/26/2011 11:00:09 PM PDT by quantim (Victory is not relative, it is absolute.)
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To: WeatherGuy

If this cliche filled article had any value at all he could site other major American cities that also had “White Flight” in the sixties and for some reason lost a quarter of its population fifty years later.

Atlanta, Baltimore, Philadelphia and Pittsburgh for example had similar experiences in the sixties but none lost a quarter of their populations in the last ten years.

Could the real reason be Detroit suffers more than any other city from the plague of liberalism that creates high taxes, no jobs and horrible schools? And that being the case people of all races, creeds and colors fled.


11 posted on 03/26/2011 11:02:08 PM PDT by Patrick1 ("The problem with Internet quotations is that many are not genuine." - Abraham Lincoln)
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Fabulous Ruins of Detroit
12 posted on 03/26/2011 11:05:34 PM PDT by Milhous (Lev 19:18 Love your neighbor as yourself.)
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To: bitt

Hi bitt, long time no see.

But the only whites left in Detoit are crackheads or liberal tards that still have a false dream of utopia.

For 40 years as liberalism and race took over the city there was no other place in the country where race burned itself like Detroit.

It would appear however that this cycle might be coming to an end soon.


13 posted on 03/26/2011 11:07:37 PM PDT by quantim (Victory is not relative, it is absolute.)
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To: liberty or death
And one race screams “I am the victim” louder then all others put together while they destroy every neighborhood they become a majority in.

I notice no one ever mentions that blacks in America have it better than any other large population of blacks in the world.

I would like to see a poll taken in Africa asking "Do you wish your ancestor had been taken as a slave to America so you would be living there today"? I bet you'd get 75% "yes".

14 posted on 03/26/2011 11:08:45 PM PDT by triumphant values (Never criticize that to your right.)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

And so are a lot of blacks.


15 posted on 03/26/2011 11:16:42 PM PDT by org.whodat
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To: Jack Hydrazine

To the author of this bilge:
As my father used to say: “You’re full of crap like a Christmas Goose!”


16 posted on 03/26/2011 11:17:11 PM PDT by gigster
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To: gigster

“Thomas J. Sugrue, a professor of history and sociology at the University of Pennsylvania”

Must be the 10,000th reincarnation of his Sociology 101 term paper.


17 posted on 03/26/2011 11:25:49 PM PDT by haroldeveryman
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To: triumphant values

There is no left wing media just the media including ALL TV. They all support hussein. Some guy did a video of the wasteland of detriot. It had one of the biggest mosques I ever saw. Paid for by the scum Saudis.


18 posted on 03/26/2011 11:26:35 PM PDT by Frantzie (HD TV - Total Brain-washing now in High Def. 3-D Coming soon)
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To: WeatherGuy

I skimmed the first few paragraphs. The constant propaganda drumbeat is it is the whites fault. They did this and that then they had the nerve to leave.


19 posted on 03/26/2011 11:30:04 PM PDT by Frantzie (HD TV - Total Brain-washing now in High Def. 3-D Coming soon)
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To: Milhous

interesting site

could be more effective if they featured a before and after photo


20 posted on 03/26/2011 11:32:12 PM PDT by incredulous joe ("No road is too long with good company" Turkish Proverb)
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To: WeatherGuy
So if a racial group flees being preyed upon by another racial group, then that racial group is evil.

OK, got it. /s

21 posted on 03/26/2011 11:33:44 PM PDT by Crucial
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To: WeatherGuy
Few of them acknowledged the racial motive behind white flight, that words like “freedom from crime” were code for moving away from blacks.

Crime stats don't lie.

And by the way, why should someone who moves be expected to provide a "moral" explanation for doing so?

22 posted on 03/26/2011 11:55:52 PM PDT by primeval patriot
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To: haroldeveryman

The disgusting author of this tripe obviously knows nothing about the conditions that made Detroit what it is today.

I grew up on the east side of the city in the 60’s-80’s.
My father owned a 9-unit townhouse on Gratiot, near Van Dyke. Most of the tenants there were related to each other, and some were third generation welfare recipients. I used to have to go down there with my dad and help him snake out the sewer pipes when they put bones from t-bone steaks in their garbage disposer. Standing in four inches of sewage from their disregard for their own living conditions gave me a deep appreciation for ownership and self respect.

The vast majority of Detroiters- both white and black- brought this upon themselves by voting for CRIMINALS such as Coleman Young, the unions, and Kwame Kilpatrick.

Screw them.


23 posted on 03/27/2011 12:00:47 AM PDT by gigster
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To: Jack Hydrazine

The blacks are moving into the older suburbs and bringing Detroit with them. You have middle class and upper class blacks sprinkled into the more exclusive suburbs. Those whites that can move further away are. Livingston County is one of the fastest growing counties in the state. That’s a result of further white flight. My own parents live there and my dad likes it because the big city amenities are close by but not the big city bs that you get living closer in to Detroit. And as blacks leave Detroit, gentrification is taking place in Corktown. Once home and property are safe in that area, look for it to spread as the inner ring suburbs fall apart.


24 posted on 03/27/2011 12:05:32 AM PDT by Feasor13
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To: WeatherGuy
Detroit is not the only American city to face persistent
residential segregation, but it is among the worst


25 posted on 03/27/2011 12:06:46 AM PDT by Iron Munro ("Our country's founders cherished liberty, not democracy." -- Ron Paul)
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To: WeatherGuy

Sugrue plans on moving to Detroit so he can study the natives up close and personal? No? I didn’t think so.


26 posted on 03/27/2011 1:00:35 AM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: haroldeveryman

Sugrue’s family is from Detroit. He left town too.


27 posted on 03/27/2011 1:07:49 AM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: WeatherGuy

So the conclusion of this article is that whitey flight is racist, but black flight is OK.


28 posted on 03/27/2011 2:51:22 AM PDT by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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To: WeatherGuy
... that the story of housing discrimination that has dominated American urban life since the early 20th century is far from over.

Another in the multitudes of attempts by liberals to coax just a little more white-guilt out of the people they are trying to screw. Truth be told, the housing shortage for these economically displaced Americans is probably just a severe shortage of suitable Section 8 housing - not discrimination.

29 posted on 03/27/2011 2:59:54 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: triumphant values

Especially those in Liberia. It would be 100% begging to go home to America. Land of the Free. We aren’t perfect but God made this the best place ever for everyone if they would just take advantage of FREEDOM!


30 posted on 03/27/2011 3:21:11 AM PDT by liberty or death
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To: WeatherGuy

Two comments on the article. One the author never mentions the gimme more riots of the sixties that made people want to leave the city. The other is the Fannie Mae Freddie Mac lending of money to those that could not afford housing. If leaving an area that could get you killed or not lending money to someone on welfare is racist so be it.


31 posted on 03/27/2011 3:41:59 AM PDT by shoff (Cuomo is going to change the NY state motto from Excelsior to elixir (cause we bought it)
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To: WeatherGuy

But a closer **analysis** of the data suggests that the story of housing discrimination.

A Mexican,Black,White and a Arab live on the same block what could go wrong?.Some times mixing isn’t the answer and it’s not racism it’s just some like to be around own race.
Ever see a cat run with a pack of dogs?.


32 posted on 03/27/2011 4:21:44 AM PDT by Vaduz
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To: WeatherGuy

Right, and how are things in Noo Yawk City?


33 posted on 03/27/2011 4:48:39 AM PDT by Malesherbes (Sauve qui peut)
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To: WeatherGuy
Typical Leftist rationalization.

Somehow, blacks moving away from blacks to live in white communities is racism by whites.

In addition to trying to get away from crime infested, crack ridden, gang controlled "neighborhoods", must black are moving to the burbs because they are trying to get their kids an education. The Detroit Public School system, despite receiving almost $2,500 more to "educate" each kid has a drop out rate of 75% - and those who do finish are performing at a 6th grade level.

The author may try to rationalize that racism is at play here, but the real story is that Detroit is a microcosm of Atlas Shrugged.

34 posted on 03/27/2011 4:49:18 AM PDT by CharacterCounts (November 4, 2008 - the day America drank the Kool-Aid)
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To: WeatherGuy

Funny how we were being sold a high speed rail system through detroit.


35 posted on 03/27/2011 4:51:13 AM PDT by ronnie raygun (V)
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To: WeatherGuy

“words like “freedom from crime” were code for moving away from blacks.”

This nice liberal obviously thinks that there is an identity between black and crime. Definitely a racist.


36 posted on 03/27/2011 5:17:00 AM PDT by all the best
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To: Patrick1

Baltimore City is well on its way. Willy Don Schaefer fostered a renaissance when he was mayor. Every mayor since then has torn down every thing that was built up.


37 posted on 03/27/2011 5:30:18 AM PDT by Jimmy Valentine (DemocRATS - when they speak, they lie; when they are silent, they are stealing the American Dream)
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To: WeatherGuy

God!I hate the NY Times.They can take any positive story and turn it into a hatefilled diatribe in no time at all.

All of a sudden the Blacks who are heading south were discriminated by the whites in Detroit. The times still doesn’t have a clue as to why the whites fled Detroit and liberal democrat cities like it.


38 posted on 03/27/2011 5:32:02 AM PDT by puppypusher (The World is going to the dogs.)
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To: WeatherGuy

Detroit blacks hate white people. All white people.

I live here.

Whites left because white culture is incompatible with black culture. Going to church and raising your kids to respect others and be responsible for your own success or failure is the opposite of the black urban culture of racist hate, perpetual victimhood and violent crime.

Especially violent crime. Let’s put an irrefutable face on this shall we - www.thugreport.com

...and when did human desire for self preservation become “racist”?


39 posted on 03/27/2011 5:39:17 AM PDT by Eddie01
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To: WeatherGuy

Exactly where does Thomas J Sugrue live?

...and would he consider living is Detroit City for a year?

I’d like to hear his opinion after walking a couple blocks to the market and back a few times.

I can see him at his computer hungry with bruised ribs, a bruised cheek bone and a knot on his head trying to justify his racism for wanting to leave.


40 posted on 03/27/2011 6:04:16 AM PDT by Eddie01
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To: WeatherGuy
There was a legitimate reason for the white flight. All one has to do is drive down Devonshire or Haverhill or Three Mile Drive between Harper and Warren Ave. on Detroit's east side and you'll see all the reason you need.

My folks left that area in 1978 when my dad retired from the Detroit police dept. If you could see the brick tudor house we lived in today, you would cry........

As much as I hate to say it, the blacks who have moved to the suburbs such as Eastpoint, Roseville and Centerline are bringing the same blight and mentality with them as they brought to Detroit's east side...They let their homes in Detroit fall apart then moved out.

As a side note, my parent's house originally belonged to my grandparents who had it built when that area was a new subdivision in a wooded area.

41 posted on 03/27/2011 6:04:17 AM PDT by Hot Tabasco (Oh Magoo, you've done it again.....)
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To: quantim
It would appear however that this cycle might be coming to an end soon.

Perhaps in Detroit but in the near suburbs it's starting all over again.....

42 posted on 03/27/2011 6:06:48 AM PDT by Hot Tabasco (Oh Magoo, you've done it again.....)
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To: Crucial
So if a racial group flees being preyed upon by another racial group, then that racial group is evil.

You have to understand that liberalism is first and foremost an anti-White narrative.

If non-Whites flee Whites, it's called ethnic cleansing.

If Whites flee the actions of non-Whites it's called segregation.

If non-Whites are moving en masse to White countries, it's called immigration and must be praised even if it's bringing the White country down.

Whites moving en masse to non-White countries is called colonialism and is condemned even if it raised the non-White country to new heights.

43 posted on 03/27/2011 6:17:47 AM PDT by triumphant values (Never criticize that to your right.)
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To: Feasor13

I’ve seen the same thing happen in the areas of Tacoma not far from downtown. It’s an interesting cycle to observe.


44 posted on 03/27/2011 6:34:19 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: triumphant values

Thanks for that perspective. It was a learning moment for me.


45 posted on 03/27/2011 7:28:02 AM PDT by Eddie01
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To: WeatherGuy

The apologists from the Provence of Manhattan never cease to find problems that must be solved by more liberalism


46 posted on 03/27/2011 7:34:02 AM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. N.C. D.E. +12 ....( History is a process, not an event ))
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To: WeatherGuy

Thomas J. Sugrue (born 1962, Detroit, Michigan) is an American historian of the twentieth-century United States at the University of Pennsylvania, where he is currently David Boies Professor of History and Sociology.

47 posted on 03/27/2011 7:46:34 AM PDT by kcvl
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To: WeatherGuy

>>”From 1945 to 1965 whites attacked at least 250 black families...”

A sad story, to be sure, and something for those at the time who participated or who just looked the other way while it happened to be ashamed of.

But a close analysis of the statistics from, say, 1965 to 1985 would show many, many more than 250 white families attacked by blacks in Detroit. Why does the reporter not look at this aspect of Detroit’s white flight?


48 posted on 03/27/2011 7:59:44 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: WeatherGuy

Detroit paradise:
http://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-search/Detroit_MI/beds-4/price-1-5000#/sortby-1


49 posted on 03/27/2011 8:03:53 AM PDT by Rebelbase
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To: Rebelbase

Oops, that link is for elitist four-bedroom properties. Here’s the what people of more modest means can afford:

http://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-search/Detroit_MI/beds-4/price-1-5000#/beds-1/pg-1/sortby-1


50 posted on 03/27/2011 8:05:22 AM PDT by Rebelbase
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