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The collapse of Detroit. De-industrialization, racism, stagnation — is the Motor City our future?
Los Angeles Times ^ | 03/28/2011 | Scott Martelle

Posted on 03/28/2011 7:06:20 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

Imagine for a moment that every single person living in the city of San Jose, plus another 150,000 or so, just up and left. Vanished. Poof. Gone. Leaving their homes, business buildings and factories behind.

That is, in effect, what has happened to the city of Detroit, according to 2010 U.S. Census data released this week. The city that boasted 1.8 million residents in 1950, and was the nation's economic engine for most of the 20th century, now is home to 714,000 people, a population loss of some 1.1 million — with a 25% drop in the last decade alone.

It's an unprecedented collapse of a major American city. It's not as if the population was dropping nationwide; it's going up. Just not in Detroit. It's closest "outmigration" rival is Chicago, a five-hour drive to the west, which has lost about 964,000 people since 1950 but still holds about 2.7 million people, down 25% from its peak of 3.62 million in 1950.

In Detroit, the loss amounts to a staggering 60% of the city's peak population. It is now smaller than Charlotte, N.C., and Fort Worth. More people have left Detroit than live in San Francisco; more people have left in the last decade than live in St. Petersburg, Fla.

There are all sorts of implications here, both for Detroit and for the nation. The 2010 census counts for Detroit (and Chicago) were much lower than local officials, and earlier census estimates, had predicted. That raises the question of whether there were problems with the count last year or in 2000, setting false benchmarks. Detroit officials say they plan to challenge the numbers, and Mayor David Bing announced he wants to find 40,000 Detroiters who were missed to try to push the count above the 750,000 mark,

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; US: Michigan
KEYWORDS: bluezones; corruption; deindustrialization; democrats; detroit; economy; fraud; la; liberals; obamavoters; progressives; unemployment; unions
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1 posted on 03/28/2011 7:06:23 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

does this article say anything about the cause of it? Probably not, because the LA Times probably wouldn’t print it if it did


2 posted on 03/28/2011 7:10:10 AM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: SeekAndFind
The city that boasted 1.8 million residents in 1950, and was the nation's economic engine for most of the 20th century, now is home to 714,000 people...

Any way to find out how many of the 714,000 people are paying taxes as opposed to being on the dole?

My guess would be about 20% taxpayers and 80% on the dole, which includes govt. employees.

3 posted on 03/28/2011 7:10:24 AM PDT by raybbr (People who still support Obama are either a Marxist or a moron.)
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To: SeekAndFind
The world changed. Cities changed. People changed. Life has changed.

It's called suburbia and/or relocation.

4 posted on 03/28/2011 7:10:54 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: Sacajaweau

It’s called “Suburbia or Die”!


5 posted on 03/28/2011 7:14:50 AM PDT by gr8eman (People who have no souls never "Soul Search"!)
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To: SeekAndFind

Anyone else annoyed at the “Motor city” commercials touting the greatness of Detroit?


6 posted on 03/28/2011 7:16:43 AM PDT by Hacklehead (Liberalism is the art of taking what works, breaking it, and then blaming conservatives.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Cities got old. Most of the houses in my hometown were built circa 1900. The children and grandchildren of the owners all live in the suburbs or another state. That’s the way it is. The city houses are turning to cr**...unkept and depreciated. Who would want to live there??


7 posted on 03/28/2011 7:17:45 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: SeekAndFind

Apparently this writer feels that competition is bad for communities. lol. I guess companies should be banned from moving.

lol.


8 posted on 03/28/2011 7:19:13 AM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: SeekAndFind

Knock down the old and build new.


9 posted on 03/28/2011 7:22:24 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: SeekAndFind
"Racism plays a significant role too. Detroit's white flight exploded in the 1950s and '60s, after courts struck down local and federal policies that had allowed segregated housing. That was followed by middle-class flight on the part of blacks and whites as crime endemic to high-poverty, high-unemployment neighborhoods began spreading."

So, wanting a safe neighborhood and good schools for your family is racist?

10 posted on 03/28/2011 7:22:29 AM PDT by circlecity
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To: SeekAndFind

Sounds a lot like Somalia - except a failed city rather than a failed state.

Thanks, unions and welfare!

Colonel, USAFR


11 posted on 03/28/2011 7:23:06 AM PDT by jagusafr ("We hold these truths to be self-evident...")
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To: raybbr

Exactly. The freeloaders are left voting for more govMint goodies, so the only politicians who get elected are those that deliver more govMint goodies. This increases the pressure (i.e. taxes) on the remaining businesses and taxpayers to “do their fair share”. Profitable businesses and taxpayers leave to avoid the increased rate, and the revenue base shrinks, school system deteriorates, budgets get squeezed, etc.

A new election cycle looms, the politicians begin to demagogue again about the rich, and the cycle starts again.


12 posted on 03/28/2011 7:24:21 AM PDT by Darteaus94025
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To: SeekAndFind

I left a comment at the site:

A whole column about the collapse of Detroit that never mentioned that its collapse began when it became a one-party city. They made it into a socialist utopia and this is the inevitable result. This is the result of all experiments in socialisms, possibly someone will learn something from this?

Scott Martelle partly blames “racism” and then talks about how families (black and white) fled high crime (fleeing crime is racism? racism of the blacks who moved too?) Since all the racists left, I am sure the city is better, right?

He also tries to imply that competition with other parts of the country is to blame for the economic collapse instead of pointing the blame at the utopian politicians who raised the cost of doing business so high that it made no sense to do business in Detroit. How are they left blameless? Competition is good, it increases quality and lower prices for consumers, businesses who do not innovate and fill the needs or wants of the people are left to die.

Same with cities. Detroit has been stuck in the high-tax, leftist utopian rut for decades because anyone with a half a brain is leaving. Detroit is the inevitable result. Building a razor-wire topped wall around the city with guard/sniper towers is not the answer Scott.

California looks like it wants to follow the Motorless City into that deep dark abyss.


13 posted on 03/28/2011 7:26:30 AM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: GeronL

the cause of detriots decline can be summed up as the “coleman young effect”...reverse racism at it’s finest....it is like my mom used to say..be careful what you ask for, you just might get it.....coleman wanted the “hostile white suburbanites” out of his city....we left...now, the middle class black community has had enough, and they are leaving, effectively making them white ( in the eyes of the jessie jackson crowd, which owns detroit )...


14 posted on 03/28/2011 7:27:19 AM PDT by joe fonebone (Project Gunwalker, this will make watergate look like the warm up band......)
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To: SeekAndFind

Thank Granholm, her answer to all of Michigan’s problems was to RAISE taxes.

Well, people raised stakes and left the state.

The left hasn’t figured that out yet, but in the meantime, America is becoming a third or fourth world country.


15 posted on 03/28/2011 7:27:44 AM PDT by Carley (WISCONSIN STREET NO DIFFERENT THAN THE ARAB STREET. UGLY AND VIOLENT)
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To: SeekAndFind

It’s ironic the crazy left in this country celebrates the displacement of whites (any other place this would be called genocide), but when whites leave a place they bemoan the loss of whites. Basically the anti-whites are crazy crackpots and they have always been crazy.


16 posted on 03/28/2011 7:28:09 AM PDT by junta ("Peace is a racket", testimony from crime boss Barrack Hussein Obama.)
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To: SeekAndFind

I knew Detroit was over when I read stories about Hell Night, the night before Halloween when neighborhoods would be set afire.

A generation of black politicians took everything and left nothing behind.


17 posted on 03/28/2011 7:29:22 AM PDT by y6162
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To: Sacajaweau
Who would want to live there?

That's just the sort of backward thinking which is typical of conservatives. Downtown Detroit will be convenient to the high speed train to downtown Cleveland. What could be more popular than that?

18 posted on 03/28/2011 7:29:29 AM PDT by Mr. Lucky
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To: SeekAndFind

Detroit is the logical conclusion of liberal policies. It is Atlas Shrugged in motion.


19 posted on 03/28/2011 7:30:34 AM PDT by Juan Medén
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To: circlecity

So, wanting a safe neighborhood and good schools for your family is racist?

************************

Pretty much any behavior or opinion can be racist, depending on the whim and the momentary agenda of the accusing Ministry of Truth commissar.


20 posted on 03/28/2011 7:31:04 AM PDT by Psalm 144 (Voodoo Republicans - Don't read their lips. Watch their hands.)
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To: Sacajaweau

Did bullet holes in the houses make them age quicker?


21 posted on 03/28/2011 7:31:11 AM PDT by gr8eman (People who have no souls never "Soul Search"!)
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To: GeronL
does this article say anything about the cause of it? Probably not, because the LA Times probably wouldn’t print it if it did

Yep they sure did...right here

Racism plays a significant role too.

The White man is responsible for it at least a significant part of it. According to this hack, most liberals/Marxist and most Blacks themselves, Blacks are NEVER responsible for anything they do nor for what happens to them.

22 posted on 03/28/2011 7:32:26 AM PDT by Altura Ct.
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To: SeekAndFind

It would make my day if Ford would move their headquarters away from Detroit and out of Michigan and away from the unionize Democrat controlled rust belt, and give the area, and Government Motors and Chrysler the middle finger, but I know that won’t happen because the Democrats on the state and federal would pay them to stay put if they arn’t already.


23 posted on 03/28/2011 7:33:39 AM PDT by ReformedBeckite ( post 1 of 3 I'm only allowing my self each day)
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To: Altura Ct.

I noticed that, leftists politics never got mentioned.


24 posted on 03/28/2011 7:34:05 AM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: joe fonebone

Of course if he had written about the real cause of the decline, it’d never gotten printed in the LA Times.


25 posted on 03/28/2011 7:35:17 AM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: SeekAndFind

Detroit is the “Crown Jewel” of progressive policies.


26 posted on 03/28/2011 7:42:07 AM PDT by 30Moves
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To: GeronL

The moron author calls everyone racist that fled the city. And yet he fled too.


27 posted on 03/28/2011 7:43:46 AM PDT by Sir Gawain
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To: Hacklehead
Anyone else annoyed at the “Motor city” commercials touting the greatness of Detroit?

YES - I pointed out, to my wife, the socialist "art" (clenched fist statue) also featured in the ad.

28 posted on 03/28/2011 7:49:28 AM PDT by Damifino (The true measure of a man is found in what he would do if he knew no one would ever find out.)
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To: Hacklehead
Anyone else annoyed at the “Motor city” commercials touting the greatness of Detroit?

YES - I pointed out, to my wife, the socialist "art" (clenched fist statue) also featured in the ad.

29 posted on 03/28/2011 7:49:37 AM PDT by Damifino (The true measure of a man is found in what he would do if he knew no one would ever find out.)
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To: circlecity
So, wanting a safe neighborhood and good schools for your family is racist?

What, you didn't get the memo? Jeeze, there's always somebody that didn't get memo...

30 posted on 03/28/2011 7:51:47 AM PDT by GATOR NAVY ("The bigger the government, the smaller the citizen." -Dennis Prager)
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To: SeekAndFind

California, you are doomed.

Need proof?

The Governor of California is jogging with his dog along a nature trail.
A coyote jumps out and attacks the Governor’s dog, then bites the Governor.
1. The Governor starts to intervene, but reflects upon the movie “Bambi” and then realizes he should stop because the coyote is only doing what is natural.
2. He calls animal control . Animal Control captures the coyote and bills the State $200 testing it for diseases and $500 for relocating it.
3. He calls a veterinarian. The vet collects the dead dog and bills the State $200 testing it for diseases.
4. The Governor goes to hospital and spends $3,500 getting checked for diseases from the coyote and on getting his bite wound bandaged.
5. The running trail gets shut down for 6 months while Fish & Game conducts a $100,000 survey to make sure the area is now free of dangerous animals.
6. The Governor spends $50,000 in state funds implementing a “coyote awareness program” for residents of the area.
7. The State Legislature spends $2 million to study how to better treat rabies and how to permanently eradicate the disease throughout the world.
8. The Governor’s security agent is fired for not stopping the attack. The State spends $150,000 to hire and train a new agent with additional special training re: the nature of coyotes.
9. PETA protests the coyote’s relocation and files a $5 million suit against the State.

Wyoming:
The Governor of Wyoming is jogging with his dog along a nature trail. A Coyote jumps out and attacks his dog.
1. The Governor shoots the coyote with his State-issued pistol and keeps jogging. The Governor has spent $0.50 on a .45 ACP hollow point cartridge.
2. The Buzzards eat the dead coyote.
And that, my friends, is why California is broke and Wyoming is not


31 posted on 03/28/2011 7:52:30 AM PDT by Da Coyote
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To: SeekAndFind

Detroit turning into a turd world Shiithole. Perfect for the squatters in Dearbornistan.


32 posted on 03/28/2011 7:56:27 AM PDT by crosshairs (You can say what you want about the South, but you never hear of anyone retiring and moving north.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Now we know what happened to the Mayans, Aztecs, Incas.


33 posted on 03/28/2011 7:58:13 AM PDT by Diggity
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To: SeekAndFind
Michigan has a law which allows cities of more than 1 million residents to charge an income tax. The law was created years ago by leftists to "help Detroit" (no other cities in Michigan me the threshold) raise revenue. Of course, this made it more expensive (2% for residents and 1% for non-residents) to reside or work in Detroit than the suburbs which also had the benefit of newer and larger homes.

Today, Detroit no longer meets the threshold and is trying to get the law changed to permit them to continue to charge the tax.

What logic! People moving out in droves and city wants to continue a tax making it more expensive to live there.

34 posted on 03/28/2011 7:59:30 AM PDT by CharacterCounts (November 4, 2008 - the day America drank the Kool-Aid)
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To: Hacklehead
Anyone else annoyed at the “Motor city” commercials touting the greatness of Detroit?

Not me!! I'm sick of all the people in the Peoples Republic of Kalifornia buying Korean made cars. Let's suuport our own industry!

35 posted on 03/28/2011 8:06:46 AM PDT by Moleman
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To: GeronL

Well, as a mater of fact it does.

Big Auto, Republican Policies and racist whites.

The author does mention 18 months on a union picket line in Detroit as one of his claims of good memories.


36 posted on 03/28/2011 8:07:18 AM PDT by PeteB570 (Islam is the sea in which the terrorist shark swims. It aids & comforts the shark on it's journey.)
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To: PeteB570; Sir Gawain

Good point SG, I guess he called himself a moron too.

The Black Separatists and Union Radicals run Detroit, what they have left is the remains after the looting.


37 posted on 03/28/2011 8:12:14 AM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: SeekAndFind

38 posted on 03/28/2011 8:17:25 AM PDT by Last Dakotan
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To: PeteB570

I think the 18 months on the picket line fried his brain and permanently.

I think after about 15 minutes of being out of my job I would have started looking for another job instead of standing around with a sign.

Their signs probably said “Idiots on Strike”


39 posted on 03/28/2011 8:19:15 AM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: Sacajaweau

Why has Detroit “changed” more than any other city?

Congressman Conyers Detroit City Councilwoman-wife is in prison for breaking laws involving her office, isn’t she?


40 posted on 03/28/2011 8:19:35 AM PDT by lonestar (It takes a village of idiots to elect a village idiot.)
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To: SeekAndFind

“Racism plays a significant role too. ... That was followed by middle-class flight on the part of blacks and whites as crime endemic to high-poverty, high-unemployment neighborhoods began spreading”

ROTFLOL!

And how exactly is flight from crime by both blacks and whites racism? You Progressive Marxists at the LA Times just can’t help yourselves, now can you? The new Marxist mantra is now “Racism!” since “It’s Bush’s fault!” has worn thin, and “Global Warming caused it!” doesn’t work any more. When are you mush-brains gonna blame tsunamis on racism? Probably won’t be long, I bet.

Oh, and I just love that tongue-twister “less labor-friendly states”! Would it have killed you to say “more business-friendly states”? Yeah, probably.

And what can one say about the notion of “intentional de-industrialization”? Original I admit, but a ridiculous phrase to describe moving manufacturing a few hundred miles away because of greater opportunities. Besides, shouldn’t you Progressive/Marxists be celebrating “intentional de-industrialization”, anyway? I mean, after all, ya’ll hate big business with a passion, right?

So, let me get this straight. The Progressive/Marxist view of the cause of Detroit’s implosion is “Racism”, other states, and “intentional de-industrialization”. And, it had nothing to due with high taxation, a strangle-hold by corrupt unions, or decades of single-party rule by corrupt Democrats being sent off to prison with the regularity of a ticking metronome, right?

Let me repeat: ROTFLOL!


41 posted on 03/28/2011 8:23:20 AM PDT by catnipman (Cat Nipman: Made from the right stuff!)
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“Racism plays a significant role too. ... That was followed by middle-class flight on the part of blacks and whites as crime endemic to high-poverty, high-unemployment neighborhoods began spreading”

Right all those people would have stayed if it had been white people commiting all those crimes.

I’ve seen this happen in many neighborhoods in NYC. Crime starts to rise, middle class people leave. This drives down prices, lower income people start to move in, crime increases dramatically, anyone who can afford to leave gets out. These people are not stupid racists. They are not going to leave their homes without a darn good reason.


42 posted on 03/28/2011 8:31:38 AM PDT by Hacklehead (Liberalism is the art of taking what works, breaking it, and then blaming conservatives.)
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To: SeekAndFind; Travis McGee; Pelham; Mr. Mojo
Detroit is no different than anywhere else with same demographics in the world except maybe Bermuda...a handful of seriously tourism or banking heavy islands in the Caribbean (but look who runs them)

it's just how it is

blame Democrats, Unions whatever makes folks feel warm and fuzzy but get out and see the world and get back to me.

the realities we confront suck..they are not what we'd like them to be all neat and tucked with hospital corners

it's rather ugly..the human timeline and all

doesn't mean we can't try..it's the moral thing to do but we are now at the point of self destruction over these types of unwillingness to confront group realities head on and honestly

it's precisely how we ended up with the worst most traditional culture hating President this nation has ever seen or we could imagine

43 posted on 03/28/2011 8:32:32 AM PDT by wardaddy (FUHB)
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To: SeekAndFind

ping


44 posted on 03/28/2011 8:33:04 AM PDT by rogue yam
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To: Sacajaweau

“Cities got old....”

That has little to do with why Detroit has failed as a city. Older cities on the eastern seaboard are doing just fine. Detroit declined because the union-sponsored communist Democrats created a socialist city that penalized successful people. Those people, feeling unwelcome, left the city. Now the place resembles a low-budget 1970’s post-apocalyptic sci-fi movie set.

Except that the apocalyptic disaster came in the form of the Communists from the AFL-CIO and the Democrat party.


45 posted on 03/28/2011 8:34:57 AM PDT by MeganC (NO WAR FOR OIL! ........except when a Democrat's in charge.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Yep, it was racist of those whites to leave for greener pastures. And, it was racist of those blacks who saw the light and left as well.

LOL! The author can’t have it all ways, but he tried.


46 posted on 03/28/2011 8:35:20 AM PDT by whatshotandwhatsnot (Islam wants you dead.)
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To: SeekAndFind
So, as a nation, and as a mature society, what are we going to do about Detroit?


Matches and gasoline...then end all union contracts

47 posted on 03/28/2011 8:35:28 AM PDT by Nat Turner (I can see NOVEMBER 2012 from my house....)
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To: circlecity
So, wanting a safe neighborhood and good schools for your family is racist?


Yes, unless you are a liberal.

48 posted on 03/28/2011 8:37:16 AM PDT by Nat Turner (I can see NOVEMBER 2012 from my house....)
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To: catnipman

Detroit has it’s own self-created problem with racism.

The people of Detroit hate the suburbs. We’re trying to steal their “jewels,” tell them what to do, we’re “those people.” They’ve run with Water & Sewer Dept. like a piggy bank with the ‘burbs paying the costs and scream bloody murder if the burbs want a say on the board...nevermind there used to be TWO water systems and a former governor merged them. The ‘burbs system was taken over by Detroit, literally and figuratively.

An entrepreneur, wanting to give something back to the city for his successful career, offered to pony up millions of dollars to build a state-of-the-art charter school for Detroit kids. Granholm and TPTB (namely the teacher’s unions) wouldn’t have any part of it so the businessman got kicked to the curb. Oh, and he was white too, which makes him a devil or “outsider.”

Money has been poured into the open sewer that is Detroit, but the people that remain want what they think are “their rights” to welfare, food stamps, money, recompense, culture, etc. They’re not interested in improving the city, only in what they can squeeze out of it.


49 posted on 03/28/2011 8:37:51 AM PDT by Kieri (The Conservatrarian)
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To: SeekAndFind

It is the future if you are LA or Cleveland or Akron or Indianapolis or Buffalo or Hartford or Providence or Philadelphia or Flint or Toledo or any number of cities that are simply obsolete and financial disasters.

There is no longer a reason for them to be. It is better to start new in say South Carolina or Alabama or perhaps Tennessee than screw with all the crap in these old places.


50 posted on 03/28/2011 8:43:34 AM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. N.C. D.E. +12 ....( History is a process, not an event ))
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