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Exposed: The US-Saudi Libya deal
Asia Times Online ^ | Apr 2, 2011 | Pepe Escobar

Posted on 04/01/2011 3:03:39 PM PDT by FredDardick

This, in short, is the essence of a deal struck between the Barack Obama administration and the House of Saud. Two diplomatic sources at the United Nations independently confirmed that Washington, via Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, gave the go-ahead for Saudi Arabia to invade Bahrain and crush the pro-democracy movement in their neighbor in exchange for a "yes" vote by the Arab League for a no-fly zone over Libya - the main rationale that led to United Nations Security Council resolution 1973.

The revelation came from two different diplomats, a European and a member of the BRIC group, and was made separately to a US scholar and Asia Times Online. According to diplomatic protocol, their names cannot be disclosed. One of the diplomats said, "This is the reason why we could not support resolution 1973. We were arguing that Libya, Bahrain and Yemen were similar cases, and calling for a fact-finding mission. We maintain our official position that the resolution is not clear, and may be interpreted in a belligerent manner."

As Asia Times Online has reported, a full Arab League endorsement of a no-fly zone is a myth. Of the 22 full members, only 11 were present at the voting. Six of them were Gulf Cooperation Council (GCC) members, the US-supported club of Gulf kingdoms/sheikhdoms, of which Saudi Arabia is the top dog. Syria and Algeria were against it. Saudi Arabia only had to "seduce" three other members to get the vote.

Translation: only nine out of 22 members of the Arab League voted for the no-fly zone. The vote was essentially a House of Saud-led operation, with Arab League secretary general Amr Moussa keen to polish his CV with Washington with an eye to become the next Egyptian President.

(Excerpt) Read more at atimes.com ...


TOPICS: Breaking News; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: bahrain; bushobamadoctrine; gcc; hillary; libya; noflyzone; obama; obamadoctrine; obamaforeignpolicy; obamalegacy; obamaswar; proislamist; saudiarabia; saygoodbyhillary
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1 posted on 04/01/2011 3:03:44 PM PDT by FredDardick
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To: FredDardick

oops... accidentally didn’t post the first line of the article: “You invade Bahrain. We take out Muammar Gaddafi in Libya.”


2 posted on 04/01/2011 3:07:13 PM PDT by FredDardick
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To: FredDardick

I read this earlier today. A bit conspiratorial. Doesn’t seem to fit Obama’s M-O.

But I’m all for a pro-western government assuming control of oil-rich Eastern Libya. MoMo can keep Tripoli.


3 posted on 04/01/2011 3:07:13 PM PDT by Retired Greyhound
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To: FredDardick

Anyone got the picture of Obama bowing?


4 posted on 04/01/2011 3:12:59 PM PDT by GOPJ (http://hisz.rsoe.hu/alertmap/index2.php - It's only uncivil when someone on the right does it.- Laz)
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To: Retired Greyhound

What pro-Western govt is that?


5 posted on 04/01/2011 3:13:48 PM PDT by runninglips (the world is on fire, and we are busily emptying our reservoirs)
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To: FredDardick
I don't really see anything wrong with this. Except that the Libya thing is going to blow up big time. Bahrain needs to stay in the Saudi camp. Let the Saudi's police the gulf.
6 posted on 04/01/2011 3:14:39 PM PDT by Former Proud Canadian (How do I change my screen name now that we have the most conservative government in the world?)
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To: FredDardick

Whoopsie! Looks like the Hildebeest might have bitten off more than even she can chew this time, and when the hoo-rah really gets going, so might she.

This would be a great way for Premier Hussein to rid himself of at least one troublesome woman, and get himself out of an ill-advised operation in Libya. He can blame it all on Hillary, throw her under the bus and get someone into Foggy Bottom who really knows what HE’S doing....like Senator John F’in Kerry (D. Viet) for example....

It’s coming....


7 posted on 04/01/2011 3:15:17 PM PDT by Bean Counter (Stout Hearts!!)
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To: Jet Jaguar; NorwegianViking; ExTexasRedhead; HollyB; FromLori; EricTheRed_VocalMinority; ...

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8 posted on 04/01/2011 3:16:35 PM PDT by Nachum (The complete Obama list at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: runninglips

Good point.

There are no pro-western governments, even in the west.


9 posted on 04/01/2011 3:21:36 PM PDT by Retired Greyhound
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To: FredDardick
So, do we want Iran to take over Bahrain?


10 posted on 04/01/2011 3:36:48 PM PDT by mewykwistmas (We can either have a free market economy or socialism, TARPers, GM and GE can't have it both ways.)
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To: FredDardick

The Bahrain uprising needs to be put down. The Iranians are behind it and it most definitely is not a move towards any sort of Democracy.


11 posted on 04/01/2011 3:38:10 PM PDT by saganite (What happens to taglines? Is there a termination date?)
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To: FredDardick

Saudi Arabia dis not invade Bahrain. That is a pure lie.

They were invited. It is as if the Governor of Virginia asked the Governor of North Carolina to send in some MP’s to help out.

That actually happened when the governor of Alabama asked the Governor of North Carolina to send an MP unit to Tuskegee in 1995 to assist in controlling gangs of blacks looting the downtown after a hurricane.


12 posted on 04/01/2011 3:43:11 PM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. N.C. D.E. +12 ....( History is a process, not an event ))
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To: Bean Counter

“This would be a great way for Premier Hussein to rid himself of at least one troublesome woman”

As Michael Corleone said, “keep your friends close, and your enemies closer”, it’s been invaluable for BO to have Hillary on staff. I doubt he wants her to go, because she could be on talk shows causing trouble for him.


13 posted on 04/01/2011 4:00:34 PM PDT by webstersII
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To: FredDardick

I think this makes perfect sense, and fits with all the facts I’m aware of.


14 posted on 04/01/2011 4:13:49 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (If you're not a personhood pro-lifer, your conservatism is fatally flawed.)
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To: FredDardick
With that deal, the House of Saud will be the House of Screwed, as AQ will have their foothold on the Saudi Peninsula in Yemen.

You'd think they could do better with the Mercenary-in-Chief considering how much we're borrowing from them.

15 posted on 04/01/2011 4:30:25 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (The environment is too complex and too important to manage by central planning.)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; Delacon; ...

Thanks FredDardick.
Washington, via Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, gave the go-ahead for Saudi Arabia to invade Bahrain and crush the pro-democracy movement in their neighbor in exchange for a "yes" vote by the Arab League for a no-fly zone over Libya -- the main rationale that led to United Nations Security Council resolution 1973.
Gosh, this sure sounds like nuanced foreign policy, and not just the US acting like unilaterally with Ghetto Diplomacy.


16 posted on 04/01/2011 4:30:59 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Thanks Cincinna for this link -- http://www.friendsofitamar.org)
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To: FredDardick

17 posted on 04/01/2011 4:31:02 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (The biggest waste of brainpower is to want to change something that's not changeable. -Albert Brooks)
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a full Arab League endorsement of a no-fly zone is a myth. Of the 22 full members, only 11 were present at the voting... only nine out of 22 members of the Arab League voted for the no-fly zone.

18 posted on 04/01/2011 4:32:08 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Thanks Cincinna for this link -- http://www.friendsofitamar.org)
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To: Retired Greyhound

Good point.

There are no pro-western governments, even in the west.


And none worth a drop of American blood.


19 posted on 04/01/2011 4:41:24 PM PDT by unkus
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To: potlatch

20 posted on 04/01/2011 4:47:49 PM PDT by devolve (. . . . . . . . . . . . The $3.909/gal. gasoline is too damned high! . . .)
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To: devolve

Bumparoo, good post devolve!


21 posted on 04/01/2011 4:55:17 PM PDT by potlatch ( ~*coincidences usually aren't *~)
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To: GOPJ; devolve; ntnychik; PhilDragoo; dixiechick2000; MeekOneGOP; All

22 posted on 04/01/2011 4:57:56 PM PDT by potlatch ( ~*coincidences usually aren't *~)
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To: FredDardick

In other words the entire region is beset with a Sunni-Shia civil war. But Al Qaeda are radical Sunni and they would never side with Shia Iran. Says who? The media? And you believe them? Radical Sunnis are besot with whomever will provide them with protection and intelligence and expertise. Iran is the kingpin behind Al Qaeda, rest assured.

Remember, Al Qaeda hates the Saudi Royal family. Now who in the world would stand to gain the most by empowering Al Qaeda? Doh. Russia of course is lined up behind Iran, so you know where Iran gets it’s intelligence about us.

Iran was behind 9-11. Those Shia hate us with the heat of a thousands suns. They knew after Bush won the election we would be invading Iraq and they tried to pre-empt it with 9-11-01. This was after it was leaked we would create a protectorate of Iraq and the Iraqi oil fields as spelled out in the the Cheney led secret energy task force meetings. The theory is the task force recommended taking over Iraq in order to block an Iranian styled people’s Islamic Revolution there. So the US concocted WMD and Iraq invasion. 9-11 was an attempt to get us tied down in Afghanistan and perhaps lose the political ability to do the Iraq war. To Bush’s immense credit and owing to the skill and dedication of US armed forces, we were able to successfully execute both wars simulataneously.

Now Iran and Al Qaeda are going for the weaker bricks in the Arab wall. Tunisia, Egypt, Libya and Bahrain actions prove it. We are actively engaged in trying to steer the Sunni/Shia crisis in our favor. Crushing Bahrain’s popular uprising was huge for us and a big plus in our column. Iran sees Bahrain as it’s wayward state. They tried to take it and failed.


23 posted on 04/01/2011 5:02:19 PM PDT by kinghorse
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To: Retired Greyhound

Conspiratorial? We are talking about Arabs including ALL of TV’s favorite from Kenya including Fox News and Hillary.


24 posted on 04/01/2011 5:07:31 PM PDT by Frantzie (HD TV - Total Brain-washing now in High Def. 3-D Coming soon)
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To: Bean Counter

The Beest is a blithering bozo.


25 posted on 04/01/2011 5:19:40 PM PDT by screaminsunshine (Obama Sucks)
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To: FredDardick; kristinn; governsleastgovernsbest

Did you see this? Is it a reliable source? What are the chances the networks cover this story?


26 posted on 04/01/2011 5:27:29 PM PDT by Recovering_Democrat
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To: webstersII

It depends on how much he he starts getting from his base, who aren’t very happy with him in the first place, along with the entire Arkansas Mafia that still believes the Hildebeest wuz robbed...

There’s no telling where this will go next.


27 posted on 04/01/2011 5:32:12 PM PDT by Bean Counter (Stout Hearts!!)
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To: FredDardick; Perlstein

2 new wars started by 0bama: Libya and Bahrain.


28 posted on 04/01/2011 5:35:04 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: FredDardick
Bahrain hosts a U.S. Navy base and is a vital ingress and egress asset for U.S. personnel, supplies and equipment.

Objectively speaking, it would be EXTREMELY unwise for it to be relinquished to the loonies.

29 posted on 04/01/2011 5:43:22 PM PDT by AAABEST (Et lux in tenebris lucet: et tenebrae eam non comprehenderunt)
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To: Retired Greyhound
But I’m all for a pro-western government assuming control of oil-rich Eastern Libya.

I would be too, but Obama's plan seems to be to let Al Qaeda take control there, I assume to help them finance their expansion.

30 posted on 04/01/2011 5:46:25 PM PDT by Cementjungle
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To: FredDardick

bookmark


31 posted on 04/01/2011 5:49:00 PM PDT by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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To: potlatch

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Good post potlatch -

A super mini-tuber

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32 posted on 04/01/2011 6:04:29 PM PDT by devolve (. . . . . . . . . . . . The $3.909/gal. gasoline is too damned high! . . .)
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To: devolve

Thanks. Just realized that I forgot to watch O’Reilly tonight. Hope he didn’t have more of Trump on and I missed it.


33 posted on 04/01/2011 6:10:54 PM PDT by potlatch ( ~*coincidences usually aren't *~)
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To: bert

Hurricane Opal. I never heard about that, but then the Internet was really just getting going as an alternative source for news. It hit us pretty good here in Atlanta, lots of power outages, some multi-day.


34 posted on 04/01/2011 6:22:37 PM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: FreedomPoster

If you use a light spray of vinegar you can clear the flies away from those african children and create a “no fly zone”.


35 posted on 04/01/2011 6:33:09 PM PDT by Davidlion
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To: FredDardick
This story has real problems and Escobar is a famous America hater. There was certainly no quid pro quo that anyone at the UN's gossip festival would know about.

Everything that has happened has plenty of other drivers.

36 posted on 04/01/2011 6:43:22 PM PDT by gandalftb (Fighting jihadists is like fighting an earthquake, harden yourselves.)
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To: bert
Saudi Arabia dis not invade Bahrain. That is a pure lie. They were invited.

There you go, injecting facts!

37 posted on 04/01/2011 7:44:20 PM PDT by newzjunkey
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To: FredDardick

dont forget the subplot.........the Saudi’s continue to demand USA dollar as payment for oil....

staves off the demise of the USA dollar reserve currency status for time being.....


38 posted on 04/01/2011 8:00:12 PM PDT by sbark
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To: FredDardick

But, but, but Obama has a Nobel Peace Prize.


39 posted on 04/01/2011 8:05:45 PM PDT by Parley Baer
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To: Retired Greyhound

thank you


40 posted on 04/01/2011 8:44:38 PM PDT by InvisibleChurch (If your PC is running slowly then it will be easy to catch.)
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To: potlatch

Nice

:)


41 posted on 04/01/2011 8:46:11 PM PDT by GOPJ (http://hisz.rsoe.hu/alertmap/index2.php - It's only uncivil when someone on the right does it.- Laz)
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To: GOPJ

Thank you!


42 posted on 04/01/2011 8:48:41 PM PDT by potlatch ( ~*coincidences usually aren't *~)
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To: kinghorse

“The Shia Revival: How Conflicts within Islam Will Shape the Future”
Vali Nasr
2006

http://www.amazon.com/Shia-Revival-Conflicts-within-Future/dp/0393062112/ref=sr_1_7?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1301716000&sr=1-7


43 posted on 04/01/2011 8:56:26 PM PDT by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto.)
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To: FredDardick

44 posted on 04/01/2011 9:51:17 PM PDT by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: Recovering_Democrat
Semi-reliable.

It's not Russia Today, but Asia Times still isn't what I'd consider the best source of information about American foreign policy.

45 posted on 04/01/2011 11:13:38 PM PDT by OddLane
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To: potlatch

Sick reminder, but thank you for it!

It’s so good to “see” you!


46 posted on 04/02/2011 12:00:13 AM PDT by dixiechick2000 ("First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win." - Gandhi)
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To: Retired Greyhound; no-to-illegals; All

It appears that Moussa Koussa’s family and anyone else who is thinking of defecting is being made to suffer.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/libya/8422410/Libya-wife-of-defecting-foreign-minister-captured-in-firefight.html


47 posted on 04/02/2011 12:04:08 AM PDT by gleeaikin
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To: Bean Counter
The SecState Hillary probably did not conduct this negotiation, but rather one of the 17-18 diplomacy Czar’s that Obama has appointed to neuter the beast.
48 posted on 04/02/2011 4:06:33 AM PDT by Jumper
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To: mewykwistmas
It's amazing how we have an African Islamic president who's home country is so close to this turmoil.

We could end up getting pulled into an African Islamic civil war ....

49 posted on 04/02/2011 6:12:03 AM PDT by PA-RIVER
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To: FredDardick

Former Lebanese minister is calling on the people of Saudi to rise up against the ruling class of saudi Arabia.

http://www.memri.org/report/en/0/0/0/0/0/0/5166.htm


50 posted on 04/02/2011 6:14:34 AM PDT by HollyB
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