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Boehner to introduce one-week stopgap to stave off shutdown (Pelosi had more of a pair)
The Hill ^ | 04/04/11 | Molly K. Hooper and Russell Berman

Posted on 04/04/2011 8:17:40 PM PDT by hatfieldmccoy

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To: Southack

Boehner is so compassionate that he passes bills adding 900 billion to the national debt over the next six (seven) months.


151 posted on 04/05/2011 6:00:09 AM PDT by Gipper08 (www.travishankins.com...a real CONSERVATIVE)
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To: gogogodzilla

I like your thinking.


152 posted on 04/05/2011 6:05:04 AM PDT by Badabing Badablonde (New to the internet? CLICK HERE)
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To: jeltz25

you think “cutting” 33 or 61 billion total a little bit a week is good even when they add 900 billion to the national debt over the same period?

“What happens now doesn’t really have a major impact in the long run”

You don’t think 900 billion added to the debt does not have a long term effect? you think funding Obama care does not have an effect? You think legitimizing all of Obama’s 2009,2010 spending increases by funding them does not have an effect? With all due respect YOU are part of the problem.


153 posted on 04/05/2011 6:05:37 AM PDT by Gipper08 (www.travishankins.com...a real CONSERVATIVE)
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To: SueRae

You understand that these CR’s are not producing real cuts overall. For example the last CR “cut” 6 billion yet funded obama care to the tune of 7.5 billion.... think about that.

The current GOP strategy will add 900 billion to the debt from March until Sept 30.

“Democrats were absolutely derelict in their duty and failed to even pass a budget last year”

You sure like the GOP lying talking points don’t you? The fact that they did not pass a budget gives us a chance to (and leverage to) CUT. It is a BLESSING.To the GOP it is a curse cause they support Big government.


154 posted on 04/05/2011 6:11:52 AM PDT by Gipper08 (www.travishankins.com...a real CONSERVATIVE)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
The Pubbies are shaping the battlefield...so to speak!

The 2012 Budget is the coming Battle!

Logic will not work with a left wing radical, nor a FReeper that wants to burn down the village in order to save it.

Purify with fire, kill all the witches, nothing the pubbies do {short of hari kari on the steps of the Capitol will satisfy some folks here.

The senate and the white hut are under demonRAT control, so the first chance for a real, meaningful battle is with the 2012 budget.

The $ 61 Billion cuts proposed by HR 1, is mousenuts, it's a step in the right direction, but in reality, we are spending $4 Billion a day, and HR ! cuts $2 Billion a week.

155 posted on 04/05/2011 6:15:17 AM PDT by USS Alaska (Nuke the terrorist savages.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
The Pubbies are shaping the battlefield...so to speak!

The 2012 Budget is the coming Battle!

Logic will not work with a left wing radical, nor a FReeper that wants to burn down the village in order to save it.

Purify with fire, kill all the witches, nothing the pubbies do {short of hari kari on the steps of the Capitol will satisfy some folks here.

The senate and the white hut are under demonRAT control, so the first chance for a real, meaningful battle is with the 2012 budget.

The $ 61 Billion cuts proposed by HR 1, is mousenuts, it's a step in the right direction, but in reality, we are spending $4 Billion a day, and HR ! cuts $2 Billion a week.

156 posted on 04/05/2011 6:15:50 AM PDT by USS Alaska (Nuke the terrorist savages.)
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To: Siena Dreaming
For some reason many conservatives think it would be better to shut the Gov't down. I don't know what they're smoking.

Emotionally, I'd love to see the govt shut down. Rationally, I know it would only backfire on the Republicans. The MSM would enthusiastically publish the lies and distortions uttered by their masters, the Democrats, and the majority of the American public would believe them. I think the FReepers who want a shutdown don't remember what happened last time.

157 posted on 04/05/2011 6:36:36 AM PDT by American Quilter (DEFUND OBAMACARE.)
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To: USS Alaska
Logic will not work with a left wing radical, nor a FReeper that wants to burn down the village in order to save it.

The "village" is already on fire. To continue with the status quo will let it burn to the ground. Liberals, and some FReepers, refuse to accept reality if it appears too "harsh". They will not wake up until they're kicking ashes.

158 posted on 04/05/2011 7:17:59 AM PDT by Prokopton
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To: hatfieldmccoy

I think Paul Ryan should take his place

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xwv5EbxXSmE


159 posted on 04/05/2011 7:45:17 AM PDT by tsowellfan
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To: hatfieldmccoy

I have no dog in this hunt but your comments are WAY out of line.


160 posted on 04/05/2011 7:48:48 AM PDT by mentor2k
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To: princess leah
"the real battle is the 2012 budget"

Bingo! Let's give Bohner time and space to set the table for the real battle.

161 posted on 04/05/2011 7:53:40 AM PDT by jpsb
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To: Siena Dreaming

It doesn’t mean we “win.” It means we say Not... One... More... Diiiime (ala Charlton Heston). It means we stand up and CLAIM the Title, Party of NO. THAT is the one power we have. Bohner (in-in-a-box) said we can’t dictate our will on the admin & senate. I say... Yes... We... CAAAAANNNN!

On the other hand, I still have that sick premonition of congress never passing a budget again, and running on continuing resolutions for the next 20 years.


162 posted on 04/05/2011 8:20:18 AM PDT by ichabod1 (Hail Mary Full of Grace, The Lord Is With Thee...)
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To: rwfromkansas

rwfromkansas wrote:

I sometimes wonder what some Freepers are thinking.

Because the man doesn’t want to shut down the government he is a wuss?

The last time we let the government shut down, we got Clinton again.

No way in heck should we try that again. They still are demanding steep cuts.

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Geez, this is NOT 1995, people! We’re living in a MUCH different world now where the federal government is spending so recklessly out of control that we’re dangerously on the brink of collapsing our economy and bankrupting future generations.

The American people are so ANGRY with our federal government right now that I have an extremely hard time believing that a government shutdown will suddenly make everyone fall in love with the Democrats again! Let’s get some proper perspective on things here!


163 posted on 04/05/2011 8:23:09 AM PDT by DestroyLiberalism
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To: rwfromkansas

Oh, and let’s not forget that a recent Rasmussen survey reveals that 57% of respondents indicated that they would approve a government shutdown if it means obtaining deeper spending cuts. The GOP has got to STOP this business of governing in fear of their opposition who lost HUGE last November!


164 posted on 04/05/2011 8:31:10 AM PDT by DestroyLiberalism
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To: kittymyrib
Mr. Boohoo has all of us crying after seeing his feckless leadership in action.

Boehner making Denny Hastert look like William Buckley.

165 posted on 04/05/2011 8:36:29 AM PDT by The Citizen Soldier (I will always remember exactly where I was when Obama made his NCAA picks.)
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To: Prokopton
So the motto is.....Burn Baby Burn...
166 posted on 04/05/2011 8:41:59 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: Fantasywriter
Other Judges said it was constitutional...Supreme Court will have to step in....sooner or later.

Dems are trying to make it later...

167 posted on 04/05/2011 8:49:51 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: American Quilter
Emotionally, I'd love to see the govt shut down. Rationally, I know it would only backfire on the Republicans.

I think some freepers are too enamored with the idea of "shutting government down". Most conservatives do not believe government should cease to exist. We just want it much smaller, paid for, and focused on it's constitutional duties.

If the government shuts down, that is a failure of leadership. We elect people to RUN the government responsibly, not to fail to do so and force it to close up. .

168 posted on 04/05/2011 9:33:57 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: jenk
lol..good point....I like her..
why are so many conservative women hot?

all this is rather unusual to me...supporting women in power ...it's not something I think of generally in my half century of dealing with gals

169 posted on 04/05/2011 9:34:30 AM PDT by wardaddy (ok...Trump---Sarah----Michelle.....any of them are ok for now---tain't picky)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Another judge in VA ruled it unconstitutional also. But how many people even know that? Why haven’t the Republicans made a bigger deal of Vinson’s excellent ruling/total legal smack down? If a federal judge had ruled so decisively against a major and extremely unpopular Republican law, the Dems would make neverending hay out of it. I haven’t seen or heard anything from the Republicans.

Why don’t they hold hearings featuring people whose finances and healhcare coverage have been destroyed by Obamacare? Why not publicize how devastating this legislation has been? They could have hundreds (thousands, if it were feasible) of witnesses to testify that Obamacare has been a disaster. Why not do it?

Where is the sense of urgency? The longer they allow the Dems to go full steam ahead with Obamacare implementation, the harder it will be to stop it. Before the election, Rush et al said the Republicans should propose bills to defund Obamacare on a weekly basis, and force the Dems to override them. All that talk is gone now. In DC it’s business as usual, and many conservatives seem fine with that. Well okay. It’s not what I want from elected representatives, but if others are satisfied, fine.


170 posted on 04/05/2011 9:53:53 AM PDT by Fantasywriter
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To: Gipper08

explain to me how you would do things. They have less than a veto proof majority in the House, they have 47 in the Senate(and a few are fairly moderate), they don’t have the WH.

So, given all that, how do we cut all this spending that people want to cut?

I’m not 100% satisfied with what’s going on, but my point was that until we have the WH and Senate(and even then it will be otugh because we likely won’t have 60+ conservatives), it’s tough to really make major cuts.

Look what happened when we had W and 55 in the Senate and a GOP House, they still spent plenty of money.

I’m just saying I’ll take the spending cuts I can get now, pocket them and continue to work for more. I don’t see how standing on purity and winding up in a shutdown or with no cuts helps the situation.

Cut what you can now then run in 2012 by saying “It’s a very clear choice, if you elect us, we will cut this amount and if you vote for the dems the spending will continue”. I have faith in the American people.


171 posted on 04/05/2011 10:24:37 AM PDT by jeltz25
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To: hatfieldmccoy; Fantasywriter
The Senate Democrats will not sign a 1 week extension, but they will STILL go on to claim the Republicans shut the gov't down.
172 posted on 04/05/2011 10:31:25 AM PDT by Lazamataz (The Democrat Party is Communist. The Republican Party is Socialist. The Tea Party is Capitalist.)
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To: Lazamataz

The Republicans should have spent 2010 condemning the Dems for passing unlimited quantities of unpopular legislation while not even proposing a budget. With their usual MO, the Republicans uttered not a peep about the Dems’ gaping, glaring, criminal dereliction of duty. Now they’re panicking because they know the shut-down will be blamed on them. If they would be more pro-active, and play hardball once in a blue moon, they wouldn’t be routinely backed into these corners.


173 posted on 04/05/2011 10:49:47 AM PDT by Fantasywriter
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To: jeltz25

How about a line in the sand of just 20% of the deficit? Given the mandate the American people provided don’t you think Boehner, Cantor and Ryan could have said “If we don’t get a reduction in the deficit of 20% then we are shutting it down”. 20% or nothing?

but no, the GOP used their historic mandate from an historic election and went after a 2% reduction(and funded obamacare,increased other spending etc). The GOP is committed to big government by any measure you can use.


174 posted on 04/05/2011 11:21:48 AM PDT by Gipper08 (www.travishankins.com...a real CONSERVATIVE)
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To: kittymyrib

“Mr. Boohoo has all of us crying after seeing his feckless leadership in action. He should resign his post and let a real conservative, like Michelle Bachmann, be Speaker.”

No disrespect to the current Speaker, but what a difference THAT would make. Can anyone or any group make it happen?

These guys took the job knowing full well why they were elected and what they’re up against.


175 posted on 04/05/2011 12:33:48 PM PDT by MichaelCorleone (Sarah Palin is America's Margaret Thatcher)
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To: Gipper08

You’re an idiot. Go play alone somewhere else.


176 posted on 04/05/2011 2:17:29 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Badabing Badablonde

You must be young. Because it appears that I’ve seen more of these than you have. I’ll start with the 1995 one:

“That shutdown lasted 21 days, sending more than 284,000 government employees home on unpaid furloughs and forcing 475,000 essential employees to work without pay for weeks.

Although all were eventually paid when the budget was passed in April 1996, the shutdown rippled across the economy.”
http://www.macon.com/2011/03/02/1470618/federal-shutdown-reprieve-likely.html

So spend a bit less time listening to the union bosses and more time in independent thought.


177 posted on 04/05/2011 5:23:33 PM PDT by PAR35
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To: hatfieldmccoy

Brilliant move by Boehner.

He cuts $12 billion in ONE WEEK and funds Defense until Sept. This gives us quite a bit more of what we want for another 1 week negotiating time.

This is why Pelosi, Obama and the Dems are screaming its not acceptable. The Dems are the ones who want a crisis here, and some conservatives want to play into their hands with a shutdown crisis.

Boehner has smartly avoided that error and put it in the Dems lap. We have a 2011 budget at $61b in cuts, and if the Dems dont like that there is stopgap plan B. If the Dems dont like either ... then what is THEIR plan. If there is a shutdown, its the Democrats fault, not the republicans.


178 posted on 04/05/2011 6:28:55 PM PDT by WOSG (Carpe Diem)
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To: napscoordinator

Nonsense, they passed HR1 ... the House uder Boehner is the only branch which IS doing anything.


179 posted on 04/05/2011 6:31:01 PM PDT by WOSG (Carpe Diem)
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To: Siena Dreaming

“The 2012 budget is being announced TOMORROW by the GOP complete with $4 trillion in CUTS. Many hearings lie ahead and the reason the Dems are limping ahead with demands for these CR’s is that they don’t want hearings to start on the 2012 budget.”

The Dems want a crisis NOW in order to feed and create more chaos.

There are some simplistic conservative gripers who arent seeing the bigger picture here. We win on 2011, then we move on to 2012 and the Ryan roadmap and BIG enchilada, that is our game plan.

Do nothing and foment a crisis to prevent any discussion of the big items is the Dem game plan....


“(CNSNews.com) - The fiscal 2012 budget proposal unveiled today by House Budget Chairman Paul Ryan (R.-Wis.) offers sweeping reforms in federal spending, including defunding and repealing the health-care law signed last year by President Barack Obama and converting the federal share of the Medicaid program into block grants to state governments.

The Republican proposal says one of its aims is “making sure that not a penny goes toward implementing the new [health care] law” enacted last year.

This includes repealing about $800 billion in new taxes that were built into the law.”


180 posted on 04/05/2011 6:36:58 PM PDT by WOSG (Carpe Diem)
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To: princess leah

“I wish the conversation would be more intellectual about serious matters like this.”

I agree. Boehner is playing it a lot smarter than the yahoos that criticize him - they would fall right into the Dem-media trap with their ‘lets shut it down’ attitude. Boehner has kept the GOP is a firm position of “we will fund the govt on these terms (cuts of $61 b), take it, have an alternative, or the shutdown is on your heads” ... much better.

” Bohner knows the dems want to shut the gov’t down so they can twist the truth to blame Republicans...the real battle is the 2012 budget”

Exactly!!! the 2011 is important, but its a warmup - the House GOP has done the right thing put enough cuts to get the ball rolling.

“... and I heard budgets don’t need a Presidential signature - it can go into effect without Obummer’s approval.”
NOT TRUE ... like any law it needs his approval or 2/3rd passage in Congress. So boehner has 2 folks to negotiate with, obama and Reid.

“This is just pre-show and they are proving the point that DEMS dont’ care about cutting spending”

exactly, polls are showing 50/50 ‘blame’ on shutdown.

” - Isn’t it about time we supported these guys instead of always criticizing them when they don’t jump up and down and fix IT ALL at once. The reality is that we are still in the minority in the senate and they need incrementally to stir the pot.”
... and they have done a pretty good job so far - they in fact did more than the 1994 Congress did in terms of spending.

” It took much longer than 3 months to get our debt to this point, it will take a whole lot longer to begin to draw it down.”

Yup. 60 years of socialistic Big_Govt empire-building cant be undone in one fell swoop.


181 posted on 04/05/2011 6:49:03 PM PDT by WOSG (Carpe Diem)
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To: dadfly

“what this all means is the either boehner is a fool (which would be preferable to the other alternative) or boehner is *afraid.*”

WRONG!

Boehner wrote a 1 week extension that cuts $12 billion for that one week *AND* funds DoD. It’s a nightmare for the Dems, it’s a stop-gap on GOP terms, but at the same time makes it clear that the Dems will take the blame for the shutdown if they dont agree to it or to HR1, the GOP 2011 budget plan.

PR-wise, we WANT the Dems to take the heat for the shutdown, because its the Dem gameplan to shut down the Govt and blame the Republicans for the ‘crisis’. The GOP wants to either (1) avoid the crisis by funding 2011 at better levels or (2) make it clear that Dems are to blame for lack of agreement.

The critics of Boehner ... “are clearly people here who don’t understand how the world works.”


182 posted on 04/05/2011 7:03:31 PM PDT by WOSG (Carpe Diem)
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To: cableguymn

“what about the last 3-4 weeks of continuing resolutions?”

Each continuing resolution had some level of cuts. Taking a small bite at a time as the ‘price’ for Democrat politics of delay.

what Boehner is doing smart here is he is raising the price, from $10b for 3 weeks to $12b for 1 week.


183 posted on 04/05/2011 7:05:39 PM PDT by WOSG (Carpe Diem)
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To: Fantasywriter

Why is it too much to ask for an actual budget? That is their job.”

Boehner and the GOP House are doing their job: They HAVE a real budget. They passed HR1, the 2011 remaining budget that the Pelosi House never got to.
And this week, Rep Ryan is putting forth the 2012 budget and blueprint for the long-term.
- it defunds Obamacare
- it saves $4 trillion + from 10 year budget deficit projection
- it undoes the obamacare tax hikes
- it sets us back to 18% of GDP fed spending level of the past, versus Obama’s massive govt overspending that took us to 25% of GDP.

The folks who are failing here are Reid and Obama. They have done nothing, they have criticizedthe GOP plans without putting up one of their own, and they are not negotiating in good faith.


184 posted on 04/05/2011 8:55:54 PM PDT by WOSG (Carpe Diem)
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To: WhistlingPastTheGraveyard

“It’s an empty threat the GOP is forced to take seriously because of their inability to counter Democrat lies. “

It’s the media-Democrat-complex trying to recapture the magic of Clinton and the 1995 shutdown. But some differences
1. Boehner has played his cards much better than Newt did, by making it clear the GOP is not trying to create a shutdown, but has a clear plan for funding the govt (with some level of cuts that are quite reasonable)
2. The people know that massive spending is out of control and are less tolerant of the Dem excuses and lies.
3. The liberal media monopoly aint what it used to be.


185 posted on 04/05/2011 8:59:41 PM PDT by WOSG (Carpe Diem)
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To: PAR35

You must be mistaken. I must also be 48 and currently working in one of the largest federal government agencies operating today. I must also be having daily and hourly conversations with management and long employeed veterans of the federal government, and I must be getting more current and inside information than you. You must also be looking at facts that are quite outdated.

Sp spend less time being arrogant and more time reminding yourself that some people actually do have better information than you.


186 posted on 04/06/2011 10:39:48 AM PDT by Badabing Badablonde (New to the internet? CLICK HERE)
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To: Badabing Badablonde
You must be mistaken.

Two shut downs under Reagan, one under Bush, two under Clinton. The employees always have their pay made up. There's no reason that the democrat controlled Senate and White House will not deliver to their unions this time.

48? You ought to at least be old enough to remember the Clinton shutdowns.

Your agency is AFGE (AFL-CIO) rather than an independent union, isn't it?

187 posted on 04/06/2011 5:06:57 PM PDT by PAR35
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To: PAR35

It doesn’t matter if I remember the shutdowns under Clinton, or Reagan for that matter. This shutdown is a completely different ball game, and this time federal government employees are being specifically targeted. All we have been told from Day 1 is that if we shut down, there will be NO back pay. Past shutdowns actually cost more money than was saved, so the measures being negotiated are such that they want a shut down that actually shows effectiveness.

We are AFGE, but they only listen to feedback from Baltimore and DC, and seldom give consideration to conditions in field and branch offices. The union reps have been fairly innocuous in DHHS.


188 posted on 04/07/2011 5:05:23 AM PDT by Badabing Badablonde (New to the internet? CLICK HERE)
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To: Badabing Badablonde
AFGE

I thought so. The independent unions have a bit more leverage with the democrats. They usually support the dems, but they make them work to earn it. The AFL-CIO's going to back the dems even if their employees get hosed. A good sized chunk of the TSA folks at airports are not AFGE, as are the IRS folks that will keep working and some other folks (FDIC certainly, OCC, probably, EPA folks may be at risk). Note this story:(sorry, no hot link- cut and paste)

Federal union begins lobbying Congress for shutdown back pay
http://thehill.com/blogs/on-the-money/budget/154719-federal-union-begins-lobbying-congress-for-shutdown-back-pay

189 posted on 04/07/2011 5:46:36 PM PDT by PAR35
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