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High Prices Won't Curb America's Thirst for Gasoline
Seeking Alpha ^ | April 05, 2011 | by Devon Shire

Posted on 04/05/2011 8:06:37 AM PDT by Red Badger

As an investor with significant exposure to oil prices, I’m always worried about something like the financial panic of 2008 that might trigger a quick drop in the commodity. One thing I’m not overly worried about is the American public kicking its addiction to oil any time soon.

For years I’ve always gotten a big kick out of analysts on CNBC talking about how $2 then $3 and now $4 per gallon for gasoline would kill the demand for the product in the United States.

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And that is a bit strange, considering that Canadians pay quite a bit more than Americans at the fuel pump. Last week AAA’s fuel gauge report showed that the average price per gallon in the United States was $3.59. In Canada we are at $5 per gallon in many parts of the country.

You would think that $5 per gallon would change your fuel consumption habits. It hasn’t. And $4 per gallon or even $5 per gallon in the United States isn’t going to change much, either. Sure, if the price of gasoline jumps from $3.50 to $5 in the span of six months, there will be some short-term reaction. But over the long run, Americans aren’t going to be willing to significantly stray from the personal freedom a car allows.

And if you think Canadians have it bad, consider some of these prices per gallon where citizens still drive cars on a regular basis (from AAA):

Turkey: $9.63 per gallon Norway: $9.27 per gallon Greece: $8.50 per gallon Denmark: $8.42 per gallon Sweden: $8.18 per gallon United Kingdom: $8.17 per gallon

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Government
KEYWORDS: auto; energy; fuel; gas
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To: Red Badger; All

You have to do some simple math to understand why oil use does not go down as much as you think it will when prices go up. About 28% of all oil use is non-fuel in nature. Demand in that 28% of the market doesn’t go down appreciably when the price of oil goes up.

So, using less gasoline only affects 72% of the market for oil. Also, there is a lot of fuel use that is inelastic. A certain amount of driving happens at all price levels. Local, state and federal government vehicles for example drive just at much as high prices as at low ones. Business related driving adjusts much less than the price of gasoline would suggest also.

Decrease is gasoline use starts with low income people and slowly leaks upward. As you reach higher income levels, people drive about the same miles no matter what the price (so far).

This is why gasoline use is defined as inelastic.


41 posted on 04/05/2011 8:57:33 AM PDT by SaxxonWoods (Throw away your papers, blow up your TV...and set yourself free.)
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To: Red Badger
As an investor with significant exposure to oil prices, I’m always worried about something like the financial panic of 2008 that might trigger a quick drop in the commodity

it was arguably the other way around, Einstein.

Also, America "thirsts" for gasoline about like you fat, stupid head "thirsts" for blood. America runs on gasoline, as does any modern civilization.

So your a big investor with a "significant" exposure to oil? I think youre a wannabe living with his mother.

42 posted on 04/05/2011 9:02:30 AM PDT by the invisib1e hand (You is what you am.)
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To: taxtruth
Nearly every day now I wake up and wonder what happened to America. I recently traveled to a third world country and while they are certainly not as well off financially, they are certainly much, much freer.

You literally cannot step out of bed without immediately bumping up against the onslaught of government regulations. Nearly every citizen is now a criminal some way some how because of all our inane rules and mandates.

Don't have a smoke detector in your house? You're a criminal. Not wearing a seatbelt? You're a criminal. Is you lawn mowed? Did you use the wrong fertilizer? And the list goes on and on and on.

What happened? I told my spouse that once Obama gets into office things would go fast. Her we are high unemployment, declining wages, inflation, crushing national debt, three kinetic military actions, and a country that has been transforming into a welfare state by the liberals and the corrupt MSM.

Honestly, it's hard to be optimistic about the future of this country. Everyone talks a good game about reducing the size of government and spending right up until it affects them, and then they go out in the streets and hold state capitols hostage and complain to high heaven that everyone is being cruel.

No one wants to work. No one is allowed to fail. Government is god and controls every thing and everyone, and the people are apparently fine with this.

43 posted on 04/05/2011 9:04:33 AM PDT by Obadiah (I don't mind Obama's vacations. It's his coming back that bothers me.)
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To: Red Badger

He’s like a gold bug, for crying out loud. “Oh, no, my speculative position is going to go nowhere but up.”

What would you call him, an “oil slick?”


44 posted on 04/05/2011 9:11:38 AM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: ScottinVA

“Of course, it always helps those in power to own the media, which will dutifully tamp down passions by giving the subject minimal treatment.”

Bingo, last time around the MSM was harping on it every night on the national news. Now its crickets.


45 posted on 04/05/2011 9:17:19 AM PDT by woodbutcher1963
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To: rbosque
They stand to benefit from higher gasoline prices.

Some states do add sales taxes to fuel costs, however, most states tax the fuel at a per-gallon rate. The fed rate on fuel has been 18.4 cents/gallon for gas and 24.4 cents/gallon for diesel for years now. So, in actuality, the higher the price of fuel, the lower the effective tax rate (again, the exception being where sales taxes are tacked on to the price).

46 posted on 04/05/2011 9:44:46 AM PDT by IYAS9YAS (Rose, there's a Messerschmit in the kitchen. Clean it up, will ya?)
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To: Red Badger
Emission standards in America destroy fuel mileage to begin with so the government can have an excuse to make profit for keeping the air clean.This is a LIE!It's designed to be a profit center for government so Americans will have to pay more fuel tax.The air in Germany was fine with our 55MPG diesel but the air in LA stunk when we landed and we rented the same car we rented in Germany which was only 28MPG and ran like CRAP compared to our Euro counterpart.Everything about government in America smells in our opinion like CRAP.
47 posted on 04/05/2011 9:47:15 AM PDT by taxtruth (Don't end the fed,jail the fed!)
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To: Red Badger

Operant conditioning.


48 posted on 04/05/2011 9:50:53 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: Oberon
Now that the gas prices are so high, the fuel savings fully compensates for the car payment

I've considered my own situation, and cannot foresee a substantial reward for giving up my gas guzzling SUV. I'm a city dweller, and drive around 10k miles per year. If my fuel efficiency trebled, and gas prices increase $2/gallon, I'd be saving around $1,000/year. Considering the concessions I would have to give to gain the fuel efficiency, no way.

49 posted on 04/05/2011 9:53:55 AM PDT by Mr. Bird
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To: SaxxonWoods
About 28% of all oil use is non-fuel in nature.

That sounds too high. Do you have a source for that information?

Petroleum Product Supplied http://eia.doe.gov/dnav/pet/pet_cons_psup_dc_nus_mbblpd_m.htm

50 posted on 04/05/2011 9:55:29 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer (biblein90days.org))
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To: Darteaus94025; CaptainAmiigaf

“The next time a liberal needs an ambulance, police car, limo, airplane, fire truck, etc. I DEMAND that they end their addiction to oil and go without!”

CLAP, CLAP, CLAP.....”BRAVO, BRAVO!” (That statement is priceless!) CLAP, CLAP, CLAP!


51 posted on 04/05/2011 9:56:42 AM PDT by Mrs. B.S. Roberts
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To: IYAS9YAS; rbosque

33 States now have a sales tax as part of their gasoline tax.

http://gasbuddy.com/Tax_Info.aspx


52 posted on 04/05/2011 9:59:37 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer (biblein90days.org))
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To: Mr. Bird
Considering the concessions I would have to give to gain the fuel efficiency, no way.

Well, we needed to be looking for a third vehicle anyway, as I have two teenagers who require mobility. Their mom and I are tired of chauffering them everywhere. Our conversion van has been relegated to around-town errand-running and extended vacation trips. For us, the decision made sense; your mileage may vary.

53 posted on 04/05/2011 11:05:20 AM PDT by Oberon (Big Brutha Be Watchin'.)
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To: thackney
That sounds too high. Do you have a source for that information?

Here's a decent chart that shows approximate percentages of what we get per barrel of oil.

Basically, a barrel of oil is 42 US gallons. There is a small production gain of approximately 2.2 gallons - so net product is 44.2 gallons from a barrel.

gasoline 19.5 (44.1%)
distillate fuel oil (Includes both home heating oil and diesel fuel) 9.2 - (20.8%)
kerosene-type jet fuel 4.1 (9.3%)
residual fuel oil (Heavy oils used as fuels in industry, marine transportation and for electric power generation) 2.3 (5.2%)
liquefied refinery gasses 1.9 (4.3%)
still gas 1.9 (4.3%)
coke 1.8 (4.1%)
asphalt and road oil 1.3 (2.9%)
petrochemical feedstocks 1.2 (2.7%)
lubricants 0.5 (1.1%)
kerosene 0.2 (0.5%)
other 0.3 (0.7%)

Off the top, fuel accounts for approximately 79.4% of use (gasoline, fuel oil, jet fuel, residual fuel oil). That leaves about 20.6% for non-fuel use.

54 posted on 04/05/2011 11:08:03 AM PDT by IYAS9YAS (Rose, there's a Messerschmit in the kitchen. Clean it up, will ya?)
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To: IYAS9YAS; thackney
And now for the link to the chart....

http://www.txoga.org/articles/308/1/WHAT-A-BARREL-OF-CRUDE-OIL-MAKES

55 posted on 04/05/2011 11:10:03 AM PDT by IYAS9YAS (Rose, there's a Messerschmit in the kitchen. Clean it up, will ya?)
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To: IYAS9YAS

fuel - gasoline 19.5 (44.1%)
fuel - distillate fuel oil (Includes both home heating oil and diesel fuel) 9.2 - (20.8%)
fuel - kerosene-type jet fuel 4.1 (9.3%)
fuel - residual fuel oil (Heavy oils used as fuels in industry, marine transportation and for electric power generation) 2.3 (5.2%)
mostly fuel - liquefied refinery gasses 1.9 (4.3%)
partly fuel - still gas 1.9 (4.3%)
mostly fuel - coke 1.8 (4.1%)
not fuel - asphalt and road oil 1.3 (2.9%)
not fuel - petrochemical feedstocks 1.2 (2.7%)
not fuel - lubricants 0.5 (1.1%)
fuel - kerosene 0.2 (0.5%)
not fuel - other 0.3 (0.7%)

That looks more like 85~89% fuel to me.


56 posted on 04/05/2011 11:54:48 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer (biblein90days.org))
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To: thackney
That looks more like 85~89% fuel to me.

More than likely. That's why I just took the top four. It already put us at 80% fuel use, which is higher than what was previoulsy posted (using 28% non-fuel use).

I didn't know for certain what other items may/may not be used for fuel.

I knew kerosene was, but at 0.5%, it wouldn't have mattered if I included it. I figured liquefied refinery gasses were likely to include propane, but wasn't 100% on that, either.

57 posted on 04/05/2011 12:06:46 PM PDT by IYAS9YAS (Rose, there's a Messerschmit in the kitchen. Clean it up, will ya?)
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To: IYAS9YAS

I believe the refinery gases are mostly propane.

Some of the terms are defined here if that helps.

Category: Petroleum Refining & Processing
Topic: Refinery Yield
Definitions
http://www.eia.doe.gov/dnav/pet/TblDefs/pet_pnp_pct_tbldef2.asp

Cheers


58 posted on 04/05/2011 12:11:16 PM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer (biblein90days.org))
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To: Red Badger

The fundamental issue is not the price, but the availability.

There is a big difference between “expensive” vs “sorry, we’re out”.


59 posted on 04/05/2011 12:17:07 PM PDT by ctdonath2 (Great children's books - http://www.UsborneBooksGA.com)
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To: ctdonath2

Then it becomes ‘priceless’................


60 posted on 04/05/2011 12:28:43 PM PDT by Red Badger (I've posted a total of 1,714 threads and 64,019 replies as of 04-04-2011)
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