Skip to comments.Donald Trump Explains Conversion to Pro-Life Side on Abortion
Posted on 04/08/2011 8:13:43 AM PDT by julieee
Donald Trump Explains Conversion to Pro-Life Side on Abortion
New York, NY -- Business mogul Donald Trump shocked attendees at the conservative CPC conference in February when he declared himself pro-life after years of supporting the pro-abortion position.
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Hannity was questioning him on social issues yesterday on his radio show. Donald is suddenly very socially conservative. However he pointed out to Hannity that putting social issues first in a candidate could get Obama re-elected, that Americans need to look at the mess we are in financially and with foreign powers.
I have seen this happen with a number of male friends.
You can’t always get what you want. But if you try sometimes, you just might find, you get what you need.
Deciding to run for president has caused stranger conversions in the past.
Should we be wary of him for flip-flopping? Maybe, but I’m glad to hear of anyone having a genuine change of heart on this issue. At least he is willing to talk about it and explain why he changed his position.
When’s the last time Romney was able to explain his flip-flops in a believable manner?
Nice to see someone move the other way for a change. The Democratic “Catholic” politicians who have made the Kennedyesque move to the pro-death side over the past several decades, falling in line with Democratic party dogma and tossing aside Catholic belief, has been sickening.
Did Hannity question him about how he would vet court nominees?
I was raised Catholic, all of my Catholic relatives voted for this worthless man in the White House. When I pointed out that Catholics should not support a man who believes in third trimester abortion they ignored me. Why are so many Catholics democrats? Makes absolutely no sense!
I went from pro choice to pro life overnight too. It does happen and I think Trump is likely sincere. I wish his so called conversion was based on the right premise though and not simply on emotion as he explained it. That right premise, of course, is that the baby is a PERSON with rights of its own.
Trump is just another self serving ass with a bad comb-over. Of course he’s changing his stand prior to the run-up. Nobody should be surprised.
I didn’t hear the whole interview so that I do not know. But that indeed is a great question! If Obama wins again the Supremes will be leaning left...
Social issues will be aimed at the Congress and Senate this time around thanks to Obama putting this economy and the nation in such danger.
I will give Trump the benefit of the doubt. People do change.
If the election were today I’d vote for the man!
You bet they'll be leaning left... heck more than just leaning they will BE left. Elections have consequences. At least this time we can say it BEFORE the election and not after like we usually do.
Elections Have Consequences
Lousy catechesis, in my opinion. Catholics are not taught the truths about faith and morals anymore and haven’t been for a while.
Take some time to pick up one of his books. You can see he’s honest and straightforward. You don’t get to be successful of work (making deals based on reputation) being dishonest.
Here’s a quote from Trump’s book, “The Art of the Deal”:
“My favorite reaction to the world’s tallest building came from columnist George Will. I’ve always liked Will, in part because he’s not afraid to challenge fashion, “Donald Trump is not being reasonable,” Will wrote. “But, then, man does not live by reason alone, fortunately. Trump, who believes that excess can be a virtue, is as American as Manhattan’s skyline, which expresses the Republic’s erupting energies. He says the superskyscraper is necessary because it is unnecessary. He believes architectural exuberance is good for us [and] he may have a point. Brashness, zest and elan are part of this country’s character.”
I am speaking of Catholic educated people in their 50’s and up. They should be ashamed.
I meant to say: you dont get to be successful in his line of work (basically making deals based on reputation) being dishonest.
I had an overnight chage myself. When I really took at the issue I saw the brutality and murder. Happened when I was in my 40’s.
Because they aren’t really Catholics.
When people wan a change, they tend to swing to the other extreme - I think that explains the draw of The Donald - the opposite of Obama
I was pro-abortion in my early 20's.
Listening to a nurse's testimony during the Fla.Senate abortion hearings changed my mind.
I will take him at his word.
>>I wish his so called conversion was based on the right premise though and not simply on emotion as he explained it.<<
Me too. It also makes me very suspicious of his conversion. Most men start out “pro-abortion” for obvious reasons. We then turn due to, usually, becoming Christian.
Maybe women change their stance due to emotions. Men don’t. And if Trump is not a social conservative, his story would only support him not wanting his wife to have one, but would still allow others their own “choice”, if you get my drift.
The more I think about it, the less I believe his sincerity. It doesn’t hold water.
Not so, they are all very involved, teaching, giving communion, deacons, on and on. I think most Catholics are hypocrites, and being raised so (12 years of Catholic schooling) I have seen enough to not have much respect for them in general.
So disagree if you will, but if I recall Obama carried most minorities (Mexicans) and many Catholics in his election bid.
My parents were Irish Catholic and always voted Dem.
My personal opinion -- which admittedly is based on limited exposure to the guy or his public conversations or writings -- is that his attention to detail (which is almost pathological, from what I understand) has probably been the biggest factor in his success.
I read an article about him a few years ago that included an anecdote from a contractor who was constructing a building in Manhattan for Trump. He described having Trump call him on the phone one day when the building was half-done, complaining about the quality of the work.
This is a paraphrase of Trump's complaint: "I stopped by the building this morning, and from the sidewalk across the street I can see that the balcony on the 12th floor is not aligned correctly!"
The contractor went out to the site and looked at it himself from ground level, and it looked perfectly fine. He went up and had it measured, and the thing was off from a perfectly horizontal alignment by something like a tenth of an inch.
I’ve been around it a long time
i don't buy that women abort babies because of men very often
quite the opposite actually...women abort babies because they don't want the responsibility or encumbrance which speaks as poorly about those women as one could
I have seen far more times where they man wanted the baby and the woman did not than vice versa since Roe which occurred in my 17th year
sometime in the mid 60s after the pill, something got in women's drinking water I guess and they lost a grand perspective on sex and pregnancy they once had
2 million babies a year...dwarfs all our holocausts
the bright side is that middle and upper class white girls who can afford babies seem to be having less abortions than in my day and now we just have to work on black and latino women are now having more than historically
most young women I know are against abortion now..in my peer group
upper middle class southern white
They may do Catholic things, they may say they are Catholics, but if they support abortion, they aren’t really Catholics. My ex-wife and her family are the same way. They lie to themselves, because it’s the only way to deal with the internal guilt.
His last minute political conversion at CPAC in February 2011 and his pandering to conservatives means NOTHING. Trump is another Romney.
Screw Romney, screw Trump!
That’s where the true test will be re: Trump’s pro-life conversion. If I’m not mistaken, we have some on the bench appointed by GOP presidents who have been a big disappointment.
Believe it or not, we know a woman who is now retired. She was the principal of a Catholic elementary school and is a democrat. I'll never figure it out.
I dont think we can overlook it but on that count what would concern me is a pattern of flip-flops that all go in the direction of what the base looks for. One issue does not concern me that much, after all, you dont want a president who is incapable of changing his mind.
I have no faith in Romney's supposed changes in thinking; the pattern says rank opportunism to me.
No thanks. My money can be better spent on conservative causes then on some flip-flopping, unprincipled liberal egoist scumbag. But I have read some of Trump's quotes from his book, "The America We Deserve" at Google Books.
On pages 206-208 & 218 Trump writes:
"... the goal should be clear: Our people are our greatest asset. We must take care of our own. We must have universal health care. Our objective [should be] to make reforms for the moment and, longer term, to find an equivalent of the single-payer plan..."
"The Republicans walk the NRA line and refuse even limited restrictions. I generally oppose gun control, but I support the ban on assault weapons and I support a slightly longer waiting period to purchase a gun".
Not only is Trump pro-abortion, he supports universal health care and strict gun control. FUDT!
Even my 94 year old mother in law and my 89 year old mother voted for him! And believe me, they are in church all of the time...makes me shake my head in wonder!
“I have seen this happen with a number of male friends. “
I find it impossible to see how someone can be pro abortion after witnessing a wife or someone else close to you being pregnant.
For me the abstract, all the shouting and sign carrying on each side of the issue, instantly became real. It became a person and a life.
To witness that and still be in favor of killing a baby, is the highest level of callousness and lack of humanity.
They need to be taught in the home, by the parents. And hopefully the Catholic schools will back them up. But there’s a lot of semi-Cath goulash out there...
The facts re; BC fraud, not natural born citizen:
How to reach Trump:
No problem in not believing him, but at least get your facts right, it wasn’t at the CPAC meeting that he changed his mind.
” Im pro-life, but I changed my view a number of years ago.
You say you think “most Catholics are hypocrites.” I would argue that people in general are hypocrites. Or, to put it more kindly, their actions fall short of their stated beliefs. But that’s human. Even the disciples couldn’t stay awake for an hour...
I changed mine watching the Columbine massacre on the internet. I realized that those annoying pro-lifers were RIGHT - acceptance of abortion as a legitimate solution had poisoned basic respect for life. The shooter kids had grown up knowing they and everyone else were expendable on a whim. It was just like a cartoon lightbulb.
Amen, I just have a really hard time with my family voting for this man, and being Dems! Has never made sense to me, I became a conservative in the 70’s and never looked back.
When I pointed out that Catholics should not support a man who believes in third trimester abortion they ignored me. Why are so many Catholics democrats? Makes absolutely no sense!
Well Democrats and also RINOs, mind you have the three trump cards:
1) Global Warming: I find this the one that appeals the most, even if you don’t devoutly believe in abortion, perhaps you are doing the world round a favor by approving legislation such as cap and trade to keep people safe? They even argue about the starving children in Third World Countries for additional emphasis.
2) War ethics: The GOP got us into unethical wars, especially the Iraq War. Here is where they count on you to believe that they are peace-loving and forget past Democrat actions, such as starting Vietnam with Kennedy and Johnson but suddenly turning around when Nixon took the presidency, or claiming that aerial bombings and missile strikes on Sudan, Afghanistan, Iraq, Bosnia, and Kosovo were really victories without blood, if you have a memory like my own, you would know they weren’t. The liberal logic, with the few exceptions which do speak against Libya
or Afghanistan, is just as warring and devastating on the nations of the Earth, basically pays off with the fact that our own children aren’t getting killed in the wars, so it’s okay. I don’t agree with this statement, but that’s their ethic, not mine.
3) Appeasement: There is the general idea, which is often argued, that if you legalize abortion, legalize drugs, or something along those lines, that you make it go down less. Mind you, applying this blanket reasoning to every case without additional reasoning is fallacious in nature. But the political assurance is that it is less likely to concern you.
4) You can’t legislate your morality on everyone else.
Either way, I figured out a long time ago that #3 was a cop-out, #1 is an exaggeration, and with regards to #2, it’s not the leadership that is inherently moral; it’s the duty of the populace to hold them accountable, which is the point of our dear Constitution, #4 is rediculous on the fact that well, if what you believe isn’t excercised somehow, there’s not much point to believing in it, plus other “religions” such as Islam, various Christian sects, etc, preach to me, and some messed up form of morality is being legislated on us anyways, that does not need, nor should, be passed in a decent society, so I will stop caring about my morality once the other side stops caring about theirs; which won’t come anytime soon.
Either way, most religious people I have known who are either loyal to true-left Democrats or RINOs justify their stance with one of those four points.
The same reason anybody is - they want to appear to others as educated, enlightened, compassionate and superior to others. Since there is almost ZERO Catholic evangelization on the problem of evil in the world, this is what you end up with.
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