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It's mine now untill it's determined how much I owe based on business expenses...

you must have missed that it was the nrst we were talking about. Under the nrst, business pays no tax. Under the nrst, business collects and remits [just like now] and business is compensated for doing so [unlike now.]

Anyway, don't you think a system that refrains from hiding taxes in prices and makes almost all tax visible and regularly paid will lead to downward pressure on taxes?

And wouldn't you like to sell your crap overseas for less - ie border-adjusted?

I have no interest in any further discussion of the FairTax with you.

My mind is made up & so is yours.

Any “dialogue” between us will be a waste of time.

Pick up your toys and go play in another sandbox.

Taxman wrote:

Go find another sandbox to mess up, John. I am tired of your drivel.

Taxman,

I believe you are sincere in your efforts to promote the “fairtax”. But I cannot help you and must side with our founding fathers who based our Constitution‘s original tax plan upon principles which do not change with the passage of time, e.g.,

1. the apportioned tax to be laid if Congress spends more than is brought in from imposts, duties and miscellaneous excise taxes which immediately addresses deficits should they occur, and does so in a manner which creates a very real movement of accountability for each State’s Congressional Delegation when the must return home with a bill in hand for their State’s Governor and Legislature to deal with

2. the rule of apportionment whenever any general tax is laid among the states which ties taxation and representation by the same standard and creates a fair-share formula in the wording of our Constitution, ending the political weapon of class warfare

3. taxing at our water’s edge as a first means to fill our national treasury which not only has foreigners filling our national treasury for the privilege of doing business on American soil, but provides the means to adopt an America first policy through taxes and trade

4. and let us not forget that by restricting Congress to raising internal revenue by taxes on judiciously selected articles of consumption, not only does the market place determine the amount of tax on each article selected, but when Congress is compelled to raising its revenue by taxing consumption, it becomes in Congress’ best interest to encourage a healthy and vibrant economy which in turn leads to a productive consumption and flow of revenue into the federal treasury.

We need to keep in mind the principles underlying our Constitution’s ORIGINAL TAX PLAN and how an adherence to them paved the way for American to become the most prosperous and powerful nation on the planet, while members of Congress were encouraged under it to be loyal stewards of our federal treasury and to practice fiscal frugality as opposed to spreading America’s wealth to the world’s highest bidders.

Perhaps someone of importance in the tea party movement or a concerned radio talk show host with a powerful mike will someday take up the cause and reintroduce America to the wisdom of our Constitution’s original tax plan which proved its worth, but which you seem to dismiss as drivel.

Regards,

JWK

“…a national revenue must be obtained; but the system must be such a one, that, while it secures the object of revenue it shall not be oppressive to our constituents.”___ Madison, during the creation of our Nation’s first revenue raising Act

I neither want, nor need your help.

Buzz off!

“” ‘NRST eliminates business taxes.

The nrst will help business’

Not if you’re a (Fairtaxable) service business or even a retail business.

The 23% fairtax rate is a income tax on the business gross, not a sales tax on the consumer.

Tally up your gross taxable receipts (AKA gross income), remit 23% to the feds...

Not a business tax?...HA! ‘’

And who do you get the income from, if not consumers???

Frequently asked questions regarding the “fairtax” answered.

Does the “fairtax” propose to lay a 23 percent tax upon the sale of all new manufactured property? YES

Does the “fairtax” require Mary and Joe Sixpack [as I described them at the top of the thread] to give the federal government a 23 percent cut of the action if they sell the property they have in their labor on weekends by cleaning and painting homes, making handyman repairs, baby sitting, cutting their neighbors lawns, etc.? YES

Will Mary and Joe have to file fairtax returns 12 times a year? YES

Will Mary and Joe still be subject to audits? YES

Will Mary and Joe have to keep any record Congress may dream up? YES

In addition to the 23 percent cut Mary and Joe must giver to government on the sale of their labor, will they also have to pay an additional 23 percent tax upon products they purchase. YES

If H.J RES. 16, the “fairtax” companion legislation to repeal the 16th amendment were adopted by the States, would Congress maintain the authority to lay and collect taxes calculated from incomes? YES! As were laid during the Civil War and upheld in Springer vs. United States.

Under the fairtax, would Congress maintain power to lay and collect taxes calculated from corporate and business profits and gains? YES As were imposed under the Corporate Excise Tax of 1909 and upheld in Flint vs. Stone Tracy.

Will the IRS be closed down under the “fairtax”. YES, but in its place two new tax collecting agencies will be created, the Excise Tax Bureau and the Sales tax Bureau, and the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms will also be collecting taxes!

Does the “fairtax” propose to send a monthly check to people who are not gainfully employed and on the public dole? YES

Why is the “fairtax” called a “progressive” tax by fairtax.org? Because it proposes to redistribute wealth under its family consumption entitlement.

Is the “fairtax” a proposal for a massive expansion of what Congress may tax? YES

What tax reform would accomplish real tax reform? Adding the following 32 words to our Consitution:

The Sixteenth Amendment is hereby repealed and Congress is henceforth forbidden to lay ``any`` tax or burden calculated from profits, gains, interest, salaries, wages, tips, inheritances or any other lawfully realized money

If these words were added to our Constitution they would restore our Constitution‘s ORIGINAL TAX PLAN as our founding fathers intended it to operate and force Congress to raise its primary revenue from taxes on articles of consumption, and would end the miseries we now experience under taxes calculated from “incomes”, which is what I thought the ringleaders of the alleged fair tax wanted!

Regards,

JWK

If we can make the majority of America’s families dependent upon a federal government check, [the alleged fair tax’s family consumption entitlement] we can then bribe them for their vote, keep ourselves in power and keep the remaining portion of America’s productive population enslaved to pay the bills ___Our Washington Establishment’s Marxist game plan, a plan to establish a federal plantation and redistribute the bread which America’s labor and business has produced.