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Hoo Boy, Wisconsinís Going to Get Uglier
NRO ^ | April 11, 2011 | by Daniel Foster

Posted on 04/11/2011 12:55:37 PM PDT by library user

I heard Ramona Kitzinger, the Democratic observer at the Waukesha County canvass, say on Friday that the numbers announced by county clerk Kathy Nickolaus at the end of the canvass “jibed.” Now, by all appearances, she’s lawyered-up, and released a statement largely recanting her Friday comments and sowing doubt about what Nickolaus may or may not have done with the 15,000 missing votes. The whole thing is worth a read, but this is my favorite part:

“. . . with the enormous amount of attention this has received over the weekend, many people are offering my statements at the press conference that the “numbers jibed” as validation they are correct and I can vouch for their accuracy. As I told Kathy when I was called into the room, I am 80 years old and I don’t understand anything about computers. I don’t know where the numbers Kathy was showing me ultimately came from, but they seemed to add up. I am still very, very confused. . . “

The thing people need to understand about this is that there is — if Nickolaus is telling the truth — a clear chain of custody of the vote numbers in question. The unofficial database sent by Nickolaus to the state the night of the election either has Brookfield votes or it doesn’t. More crucially, Brookfield either sent their vote totals to Nickolaus or they didn’t. If they did, there should be an electronic paper trail and the numbers that came out of Brookfield city hall should match the numbers Nickolaus reported after the canvass. If you still think this was fraud, you’re implicating not just Nickolaus but the city of Brookfield itself.

The other thing to remember is that the discrepancy, as I understand it, is between official and unofficial numbers. The unofficial numbers were wrong. The official ones were right. The unofficial numbers were unofficial precisely because they were electronically transferred from municipalities to the counties and eventually to the state, in large part so that outfits like the Associated Press could call the election on Tuesday night. The official numbers were official precisely because they depended on a thorough examination — observed by Republicans and Democrats — of the actual voting tapes.


TOPICS: Editorial; News/Current Events; US: Wisconsin
KEYWORDS: kathynickolaus; ramonakitzinger; waukesha; wisconsinshowdown
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To: library user
“I went over everything and made sure that all the numbers jived up, and they did.”

“I’m the Democratic vice chair of Waukesha County, so I’m not going to stand here and tell you something that’s not true,” Kitzinger said.

Now: "I'm old and of feeble mind and I'm confused."

Well here's a new wrinkle in the Democrat's well-worn "nuts and sluts" strategy... agreeing to call yourself NUTS!!

21 posted on 04/11/2011 1:13:13 PM PDT by Obadiah (I don't mind Obama's vacations. It's his coming back that bothers me.)
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To: library user

Get rid of electronic ballots.

They are a magnet for mischief, lawsuits, fraud. They will generate an endless series of contested elections.

Get rid of them.


22 posted on 04/11/2011 1:16:16 PM PDT by Steely Tom (Obama goes on long after the thrill of Obama is gone)
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To: montag813
When you pull a Franken, Reid, it's the old fooled once-twice-three times lesson learned. Vote counts and reports are going to become like a game of Texas Hold'em from here going forward.

IMHO, end all election return reporting, period! The certified totals should be sealed in each voting district by law, and then opened one at a time starting from A and ending at Z, only after all official vote counts arrive at one central location. That includes all absentee ballots. Any found after that shall be null and void.

23 posted on 04/11/2011 1:17:55 PM PDT by blackdog (The mystery of government is not how Washington works but how to make it stop)
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To: cripplecreek

Many years ago I took a temp gig in Chicago to report numbers to the NES from the Medinah Temple building in downtown Chicago.

My job was to record phoned in vote numbers on paper and run them over to the keypunch operators. I was focusing on the 1982 gov. race between Stevenson and Thompson.

While I am sure that computer networks etc. speed some things up, the fact is that someone is going to have to say, write or type in numbers before they get combined and reported, as the AP does not (yet) have an ethernet cable plugged into the voting machines.

For my $4 an hour, I could have easily made mischief if I wanted, as the damage would be done while they tried to figure it out (unless they had controls ... there were well over a hundred people in that room). Nearly every precinct has several machines, every town has numerous precincts, every county has numerous towns, and large mid-western states have dozens of counties.

It is inane to expect 100% accuracy from such a process. It would be catastrophe to centralize voting in order to achieve that type of unofficial accuracy.

As it turned out, I thought I would be the first guy to know who won. In fact, I was among the last. When one is constantly recording numbers at such a small level from all over the state (I was getting mostly Chicago suburbs), you really can’t get a sense of who’s winning because the numbers are all over the place (unless it’s a blow out). Thompson won, but it was closer than this race (1/7 of 1%), NO ONE was talking about the results and I didn’t even know how close it was until I got back to my dorm.


24 posted on 04/11/2011 1:19:09 PM PDT by Dr. Sivana (There is no salvation in politics.)
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To: library user

To this point all I’ve heard is that the wrong numbers were sent to AP. I’ve not heard anything wrong was transmitted to the state. Even so, that’s why they’re called ‘unofficial’.

I’m getting tired of the implication that somehow Nickolaus manufactured votes and there is a questionable chain of custody. There was a perfect chain of custody from casting to tabulation, the only error was transmission of the results to the AP, an unofficial body.

The libs can smear and obfuscate all they want, there are no manufactured votes here. For their argument to hold true that would mean that Brookfield had zero votes, an impossibility. The Dems are trying to disenfranchise these votes on false claims of fraud.


25 posted on 04/11/2011 1:20:29 PM PDT by Free Vulcan (Vote Republican! You can vote Democrat when you're dead.)
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To: RoseofTexas

I will be surprised if you are not right. I think there will be many ballots yet to be found, and will be able to get them included based on this perception of improper action that the dems have now created in WI.


26 posted on 04/11/2011 1:21:25 PM PDT by NEMDF
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To: blackdog

“The prestige of the UW isn’t much more credible than a coin toss, so I can see the line of reasoning.”

Umm, if you’re calling a coin toss heads you’ll get it right 50% of the time. Do you really feel UW is more credible than that?


27 posted on 04/11/2011 1:21:25 PM PDT by saganite (What happens to taglines? Is there a termination date?)
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To: library user
While everyone is busy looking at Waukesha County, no one is watching the other counties that haven't reported their vote counts yet:

From the GAB (Government Accountability Board) website:

Crawford, Milwaukee, Oneida and Sauk counties are still being worked on, and will be posted as soon as possible. Milwaukee County will likely not be posted until Wednesday at the earliest.
Milwaukee is the county to watch!
28 posted on 04/11/2011 1:23:11 PM PDT by jellybean (Bookmark http://altfreerepublic.freeforums.org/index.php for when FR is down)
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To: Free Vulcan
Good . Let the leeches spend millions on this challenge . These fools are second raters . First , Tiny Tim Pawlenty or Little Mitch are not the Governors here . Second . the thugs have shown themselves to be second raters. There is no way they come up with enough votes to overturn . The Pubs played it right , let the hag claim the win with 204 votes then drop the stink bomb .
29 posted on 04/11/2011 1:28:46 PM PDT by fantom (,)
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To: jellybean

They haven’t reported their vote counts yet??!!


30 posted on 04/11/2011 1:31:16 PM PDT by Fu-fu2
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To: saganite
Umm, if you’re calling a coin toss heads you’ll get it right 50% of the time. Do you really feel UW is more credible than that?

Are you familiar with the rule of 50-50-90?

31 posted on 04/11/2011 1:31:31 PM PDT by Colonel_Flagg ("It's hard to take the president seriously." - Jim DeMint)
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To: RoseofTexas
again I will GO ON RECORD saying “THIS election will ALSO be stolen from right under our NOSES!” The FIX IS IN...bank on it...it’s a DONE DEAL! BUT, I’d gladly to EAT CROW with Hot Sauce if I’m wrong!

If you are right, then there needs to be a war. No more civility. If the elections are meaningless, then the laws are meaningless.

32 posted on 04/11/2011 1:33:19 PM PDT by Repeal 16-17 (Let me know when the Shooting starts.)
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To: saganite

Good point I suppose. Good thing they have not produced retail pregnancy tests there. The upside is that they sell for six dollars but only cost a quarter to produce.


33 posted on 04/11/2011 1:33:21 PM PDT by blackdog (The mystery of government is not how Washington works but how to make it stop)
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To: montag813
If she did what I think she did...report 1,500 and hold back the 15,000, then she is a genius. Prosser was ahead by 742 votes, and the Dems did exactly what they did in Franken, Gregoire, et al: found just enough votes to miraculously put them up by 2-300 “votes”. By holding back, Nickolaus forced the Dems to shoot their cheating wad, and then put it far out of reach.

I hope this is what she did. I'd like to think the GOP is getting smarter about these things.

34 posted on 04/11/2011 1:33:45 PM PDT by Lakeshark (Thank a member of the US armed forces for their sacrifice)
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To: jwalsh07

Beginning with that howler: “there should be an electronic paper trail.” sd


35 posted on 04/11/2011 1:36:58 PM PDT by shotdog (I love my country. It's our government I'm afraid of.)
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To: library user

And by the way - didn’t the AP read the totals for Prosser wrong - they read a 9 as a 7, so that even before the Brookfield totals came in, Prosser had actually retaken the lead.

Kloppencommie must feel like a idiot running in front of the microphones, waving her arms and claiming victory based on an “unofficial” vote tally given to a wire service.

And, as someone pointed out, the whole purpose of the canvassing is to insure that all totals and votes are reported. As a Freeper said upthread - they were all set with the 200 vote margin and they figured they’d be able to jimmy up the 20 votes here or there needed should the recount/canvas show Prosser starting to lead.

8,000 votes - well, that’s going to be a little hard. Also, were there not reports of ballots being shredded after being counted in a precinct heavily for Prosser? Is there an update anywhere?


36 posted on 04/11/2011 1:39:29 PM PDT by Right Cal Gal (Ronald Reagan: "our liberal friends....know so much that isn't so...")
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To: library user
The official numbers were official precisely because they depended on a thorough examination — observed by Republicans and Democrats ...

So, 5 minutes after all the precincts were "in", kloppendanger was publicly declaring herself the winner and pushing Prosser to concede while knowing behind the scenes that Prosser was actually the winner. She was trying to pressure or trick the winning candidate to concede.

37 posted on 04/11/2011 1:40:45 PM PDT by C210N (0bama, Making the US safe for Global Marxism)
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To: Obadiah

Maybe she lied to her diary, too. Democrats are known to do that.


38 posted on 04/11/2011 1:44:12 PM PDT by Defiant (When Democrats lose voters, they manufacture new voters instead of convincing the existing voters.)
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To: Fu-fu2
They haven’t reported their vote counts yet??!!

No!

Although, since my last post, I see Oneida County has now reported. Prosser won that county by just under 400 votes. Which I don't think changed much since election night. I don't know what's taking so long with Crawford and Sauk counties. They're not that big.

39 posted on 04/11/2011 1:44:26 PM PDT by jellybean (Bookmark http://altfreerepublic.freeforums.org/index.php for when FR is down)
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To: Right Cal Gal
Kloppencommie must feel like a idiot running in front of the microphones, waving her arms and claiming victory based on an “unofficial” vote tally given to a wire service.

She was doing exactly what her handlers told her to do. ALWAYS declare victory as soon as possible. Then, if anything changes YOU are the victim. The election is being stolen from YOU, no matter what happens after you have declared victory. This is Election Stealing 101, and reference can readily be found in 'The Handbook of Election Stealing for Democrat Dummies', Chapter 8, pg. 214, (second paragraph from the bottom).

It's basic stuff. I really wish the Republicans would learn it.

40 posted on 04/11/2011 1:48:28 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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