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Jerry Brown: California, Country Facing ‘Regime Crisis’ Similar To The Civil War
CBS LosAngeles ^ | April 10, 2011 | losangeles.cbslocal.com/Dave Bryan

Posted on 04/11/2011 4:02:15 PM PDT by dragnet2

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To: Jim Noble
The only thing necessary for a true regime crisis is an alternative.

Someone - a governor, most likely, or someone who wants to be President but who doesn't want to "run" - must declare that the emperor has no clothes.

Then, events may take a surprising course.

Which puts what "the Donald" is currently doing into an entirely new light...

the infowarrior

81 posted on 04/11/2011 6:53:15 PM PDT by infowarrior
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To: Redcloak

13?

He’d have better luck juggling flaming chain saws.

I almost wished he’d try.


82 posted on 04/11/2011 6:55:49 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dragnet2

It’s been the Democrats’ dream for the past 33 years.


83 posted on 04/11/2011 7:02:29 PM PDT by Redcloak (What's your zombie plan?)
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To: Redcloak

Yeah, but a good percentage of them are homeowners...Trying to dig up 13, even for them, would be financial suicide.

People are having a hell of a time just keeping their jobs and homes...Resurrecting that, would be like gun to the head for a whole lot of people.


84 posted on 04/11/2011 7:10:54 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: infowarrior; Noumenon
I don't think Donald Trump has the political skills necessary - but I could be wrong.

I am quite impressed at how insistent the "system" has become at insisting that someone who wants to be President must "declare", years before the election, and that they them must "run" by a) raising money, b) transferring that money to the "system", and c) playing by rules laid down by the "system".

F*** that.

It's OUR election, it's OUR choice, and we should be FREE to make it.

The whole structure is rotten to the core. One good shove, and over it goes.

"But what dreams may come, when we have shuffled off this mortal coil, must give us pause..."

85 posted on 04/11/2011 7:11:21 PM PDT by Jim Noble (The Constitution is overthrown. The Revolution is betrayed.)
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To: Jim Noble
I don't think Donald Trump has the political skills necessary - but I could be wrong.

There is little difference between the skills needed for Trump to do his business and what you call 'political skills'. Its mostly salesmanship, in selling a real estate project, or a political and economic agenda. I, for one, would not sell Trump short on being a salesman.

I am quite impressed at how insistent the "system" has become at insisting that someone who wants to be President must "declare", years before the election, and that they them must "run" by a) raising money, b) transferring that money to the "system", and c) playing by rules laid down by the "system".

F*** that.
It's OUR election, it's OUR choice, and we should be FREE to make it.
The whole structure is rotten to the core. One good shove, and over it goes.
>

Which is precisely why I said what I said about now looking at Trump's recent activities in an entirely new light. It is entirely possible that Trump is attempting an 'end run' around 'the system'. This has not been seen since Reagan, although Palin is likely trying to emulate Reagan's methodology.

Trump, on the other hand, is going even farther than either of those two attempted go. He could actually be, in effect 'doubling down' on this strategy, to the nth degree. It's interesting to watch...

the infowarrior

86 posted on 04/11/2011 7:24:02 PM PDT by infowarrior
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To: jessduntno

If the Civil War was about states’ rights, why did the south rebuff Lincoln’s offer of a Constitutional amendment that would protect slavery in slave states? Up to that point, the slave-holding states had gotten almost everything they wanted from federal policy (Dredd Scott, Fugitive Slave Act, etc). Heck, Jeff Davis’s own VP said the Confederacy exists to permanently maintain the legal distinction between white and balck, and to defend the institution of slavery. Jeff Davis’ answer to the Emancipation Proclamation was to declare that all free blacks in the South and in northern areas conquered by the grays would now become permanent slaves.

Southern states had enacted censorship laws against abolition writings, and even included conscription of free white men against their will to form posses to search for escaped slaves. The Fugitive Slave Act made this federal policy for all states, slave and free, an obvious violation of states’ rights that no Confederate ever complained about. Dredd Scott, made by a southern SC Chief Justice, continued the South’s assault on federalism.

The Southern cause was never about freedom, either for blacks or whites. It was always about protecting the interests of a small, wealthy, planter aristocracy to the detriment of everyone else. That’s why WV split off from Virginia.

What has happened now is that the South lived under the yoke of Democrat tyranny and oppression for 150 years, and then finally woke up to what was going on and left the Democrats.


87 posted on 04/11/2011 9:44:38 PM PDT by Thane_Banquo (Mitt Romney: He's from Harvard, and he's here to help.)
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To: jessduntno; LS

For a fact-based conservative understanding of the South’s anti-freedom and even anti “states’ rights” politics prior to the Civil War, might I suggest A Patriot’s History of the United States by FR’s resident history whiz Larry Schweikart?


88 posted on 04/11/2011 9:52:52 PM PDT by Thane_Banquo (Mitt Romney: He's from Harvard, and he's here to help.)
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To: jessduntno; LS

For a fact-based conservative understanding of the South’s anti-freedom and even anti “states’ rights” politics prior to the Civil War, might I suggest A Patriot’s History of the United States by FR’s resident history whiz Larry Schweikart?


89 posted on 04/11/2011 9:53:05 PM PDT by Thane_Banquo (Mitt Romney: He's from Harvard, and he's here to help.)
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To: Thane_Banquo

If the Civil War was about abolition, why did Lincoln campaign on shipping all Negros to another country?

President Abraham Lincoln was always against slavery on moral grounds. However, he was not an admirer of the black man, did not believe blacks should be granted the rights of American citizens, and did not wish that they be a part of American society. He believed that all blacks should be removed from the United States and resettled in some other country.

Lincoln on slavery: “The monstrous injustice of slavery... deprives our republican example of its just influence in the world- enables the enemies of free institutions, with plausibility, to taunt us as hypocrites- causes the real friends of freedom to doubt our sincerity, and especially because it forces so many really good men amongst ourselves into an open war with the very fundamental principles of civil liberty.”

Lincoln on Southerners: “If slavery did not exist amongst them, they would not introduce it. If it did not now exist amongst us, we should not instantly give it up.”

Lincoln on freed slaves: “My first impulse would be to free all the slaves, and send them to Liberia, to their own native land. But a moment’s reflection would convince me, that whatever of high hope (as I think there is) there may be in this, in the long run, its sudden execution is impossible.”

Lincoln on social equality: “What then? Free them, and keep them among us as underlings? Is it quite certain that this betters their condition? I think I would not hold one in slavery, at any rate; yet the point is not clear enough for me to denounce people on.” “What then? Free them, and make them politically and socially our equals? My own feeling will not admit of this; and if mine would, we well know that those of the great mass of white people will not... A universal feeling, whether well or ill-founded, cannot be safely disregarded.”

Lincoln’s Emancipation Proclamation actually freed no one. He did not free any slaves in areas of the country controlled by the federal government. He freed only slaves in areas in rebellion, precisely where he had no control.


90 posted on 04/11/2011 10:04:51 PM PDT by jessduntno ("Money...can't exist unless there are goods produced and men able to produce them." - Rand)
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To: EGPWS

Simple. The Democrats have spent more....than the Republicans have.


91 posted on 04/11/2011 10:20:35 PM PDT by screaminsunshine (Obama Sucks and so do the RINOS.)
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To: dragnet2
And in so-called conservative states, at major hospitals such as Parkland hospital in Dallas Texas, they are churning out nearly 1000 anchor babies per month...

That may be true (and yes, it's a nationwide problem now), but at least Texas has American reinforcements moving here at the rate of 1,350 a day.

California? Not so much, unfortunately. If they would follow the example of those "so-called" conservative states you mentioned, perhaps the exodus out of California would turn around.

I read the VDH excerpt posted by Noumenon upthread, and it breaks my heart. He is convinced that California is now a de facto northern state of Mexico. That is a truly devastating thought.

92 posted on 04/11/2011 10:36:20 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Jim Noble

Beautifully summarized. Perfect.


93 posted on 04/11/2011 10:51:01 PM PDT by Psalm 144 (Voodoo Republicans - Don't read their lips. Watch their hands.)
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To: Noumenon

That’s just what California has become. And a lot of the damage came courtesy of Dubya Bush and his illegal alien coddling pals.


94 posted on 04/11/2011 10:52:23 PM PDT by Pelham (Islam, mortal enemy of the free world)
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To: Windflier
And in so-called conservative states, at major hospitals such as Parkland hospital in Dallas Texas, they are churning out nearly 1000 anchor babies per month...

That may be true

Oh it's true, in fact I read where that hospital is home to more illegal anchor kids than *any* hospital in the U.S.

95 posted on 04/11/2011 10:55:30 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Thane_Banquo

The Southern cause was never about freedom, either for blacks or whites. It was always about protecting the interests of a small, wealthy, planter aristocracy to the detriment of everyone else. That’s why WV split off from Virginia.”

Most asinine analysis possible. There was nothing that propelled the “winners” but conscripts, money and fear. The south rode for the planters? You have to be joking. You have turned true history on its head and spanked it.


96 posted on 04/11/2011 11:00:11 PM PDT by jessduntno ("Money...can't exist unless there are goods produced and men able to produce them." - Rand)
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To: dragnet2
I read where that hospital is home to more illegal anchor kids than *any* hospital in the U.S.

I see that you've totally missed the whole point of my post to you, again.

(...big sigh...) Buddy, you've simply got to stop being so reflexively defensive about California. Try to stop taking others' criticisms so personally.

The rest of us are basically pissed off that a whole chunk of our country is so freaking dysfunctional, is all. Do you honestly believe that we're sitting here rubbing our hands in glee at all your troubles?

We really aren't. It's our country, too.

97 posted on 04/11/2011 11:07:49 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Windflier
Hey, that's right, you're the one that was crying about negative articles regarding Texas, saying it was unconservative to post them and against forum rules to do so....lol

Yeah, I remember you...Run along now strango.

98 posted on 04/11/2011 11:15:05 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Pelham
And a lot of the damage came courtesy of Dubya Bush and his illegal alien coddling pals.

Yep...

99 posted on 04/11/2011 11:15:57 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: La Lydia
The “divide” is between those who are paying in to the government and those who are being paid by the government.

As dear old Dad always said, "When the parasites outnumber the hosts, it's all over."
That threshhold has apparently been breached in California.

100 posted on 04/11/2011 11:19:20 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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