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ISAF Policy: Catch-and-Release IED-Bombers (Afghanistan)
The Death of The Grown-Up ^ | April 12, 2011 | Diana West

Posted on 04/12/2011 5:45:35 PM PDT by Travis McGee

Recon Marine Cpl. Todd Love (above) got a hero's welcome in his hometown of Acworth, Georgia this week. Love lost both legs and his left arm in an IED explosion in Afghanistan a few months ago. The Washington Examiner story below by Sara Carter tells us that even if US forces had photographed the bomber in the act and captured him with bomb traces on his hands, they would then have had to feed him, clothe him ... and let him go.

This is another Afghanistan scandal that should get Congress pounding tables and demanding answers from the Pentagon and the White House. It should get readers doing the same. After all, we pay $350 million a day for this.

Carter writes:

Several Taliban detainees who had been captured in February after being observed placing bombs in the culverts of roads used by civilians and military convoys near Kandahar were fed, given medical treatment, then released by American troops frustrated by a policy they say is forcing them to kick loose enemies who are trying to kill them.

Despite what American soldiers say was a mountain of evidence, which included a video of the men planting the bomb and chemical traces found on their hands, there was nothing the soldiers who had captured them could do but feed and care for them for 96 hours and then set them free.

In another incident, members of a unit attached to 2nd Stryker Cavalry Regiment survived an attack by a suicide bomber on their convoy when his device failed to detonate. Soldiers managed to capture the would-be martyr, but he too was released after being held for four days.

"We put our lives on the line to capture the enemy," a soldier with the Stryker regiment told The Washington Examiner. "Since my deployment, every insurgent we've captured has been released."

Come again?

Since my deployment, every insurgent we've captured has been released."

International Security Assistance Forces officials contacted by The Examiner admitted that releases like these were common. The officials said ISAF forces can hold detainees for up to 96 hours, during which time detainees are "screened and a decision is made whether to release the individual, transfer them to appropriate Afghan authorities, or to the detention facility in Parwan [at Bagram Air Base]."

ISAF spokesman Lt. Col. John Dorrian said things are expected to change. He said Afghanistan's Ministry of Interior, supported by Combined Joint Interagency Task Force 435, is implementing a system for fingerprinting captured insurgents.

"This program is going to make a huge difference, dramatically reducing insurgents' ability to hide among the general population," he said. "It will also improve the ability of Afghan and coalition forces to gather evidence of insurgent activity that will hold up in court."

Since when do soldiers have to gather "evidence" on their enemies? Welcome to COIN.

However, the program is not yet operational. Like many plans associated with the Afghan war, there are many potential setbacks ahead.

Troops say top commander Gen. David Petraeus has not fulfilled promises he made to Congress last year to review and, where appropriate, change rules of engagement that have restricted troops' ability to stop the enemy.

Gen. Stanley McChrystal, former commander of coalition forces in Afghanistan. promised that ISAF would have control of at least 40 Afghan districts by the end of 2010. That promise also was not met.

Troops say it's impossible to hold the terrain when insurgents know that, if captured, they cannot be held.

The policy of releasing insurgents is expected to continue for now, officials said.

The Afghan legal system has no Western-style standards of prosecution that would allow suspected Taliban to be held in civil detention, ISAF officials said.

Um, the Afghan legal system (sharia-based) has no Western-style standards of anythiing.

"While there may be ample evidence to detain an individual, the same evidence may be insufficient to obtain an indictment or bring the detainee to an evidence-based trial," Dorrian said. "In other instances, individuals may be detained based on legitimate intelligence, but the intelligence may be classified and thus not able to be presented in open court. In some instances, this results in the individual being released."

ISAF general staff meeting.

James Carafano, senior defense analyst for the Heritage Foundation, said releasing suspected insurgents is not only a problem for U.S. troops but civilians who have been tormented under Taliban rule.

"The real issue is what is the right thing to do?" Carafano said. "Putting Taliban fighters back in the field who may kill or terrorize Afghan civilians as easily as U.S. soldiers is never the right thing to do. The U.S. troops will not be there forever --

Sez who?

-- and local officials need to start thinking about the long-term interests of their own people."

American troops say the policy is a morale killer.

How about just plain "killer"?

They say the inability to hold suspected insurgents is one of the reasons why the U.S. has been unable to suppress the Taliban.

Detainees can be held at various field detention facilities throughout Afghanistan. "Capacity is not an issue as to whether an individual remains detained," an ISAF official stated.

"How much more evidence do you need when they are captured on video and tested positive for ... chemicals on their hand?" a military official in Afghanistan said. "That's not enough evidence for our forces to transfer the detainees to a permanent facility before they try to kill U.S. troops again? It's unacceptable."

So don't accept it.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: afghanistanied

1 posted on 04/12/2011 5:45:38 PM PDT by Travis McGee
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To: Eaker; afnamvet; AK2KX; Ancesthntr; An Old Man; APatientMan; ApesForEvolution; aragorn; archy; ...

Please read this jaw-dropping aricle about the ROE in Afghanistan which causes insurgent bombers caught red-handed to be released to bomb and bomb again until they kill or maim Americans and our allies.

Madness. This will bring a level of morale as bad as I can imagine. Talk about bitter troops. Talk about abandonment of our troops by our generals in the name of PC uber alles.


2 posted on 04/12/2011 5:49:07 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Travis McGee

Love those geniuses Petraeus and McChristol! And Bush loved this PC crap as much as Obama.
If this is all just a crime to be handled in court,, why don’t we send in the FBI in a Crown Victoria?

We have become a joke.


3 posted on 04/12/2011 5:58:22 PM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
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To: Travis McGee

Nothing about this administration surprises me any longer. Pure evil.


4 posted on 04/12/2011 5:59:04 PM PDT by Czar (NRA Life Member)
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To: Travis McGee
"screened and a decision is made whether to release the individual, transfer them to appropriate Afghan authorities, or to the detention facility in Parwan [at Bagram Air Base]."

and just exactly WHAT does it take to get sent up the chain???

kill a reporter???

5 posted on 04/12/2011 6:03:31 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: DesertRhino; Chieftain

Good God! WTF!!!

i AM SO LIVID!!!

LETS JUST GET THE f ..OUT NOW.!!

Let the muzzies try something else and we can carpet bomb them to make Dresden in WWII look like childs play!!!


6 posted on 04/12/2011 6:04:30 PM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie (Where is the Great Santini NOW when we need him?)
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To: Travis McGee

Thanks for the article, Travis.

Diana West is on our side and is a good woman. I worked with her back in the 90s during the private property wars against the fascist pig clinton and that unutterable Nazi pig Bruce Babbitt.

We had that MF Babbitt nailed for terrorism when he brought along his eco-Nazi pigs to blow up the forestry building at Michigan Tech, but the jerks at the FBI refused to follow up. Ditto our state prosecutor.

Babbitt is getting real old, but I don’t want to see this pig die comfortable in a soft and warm bed.


7 posted on 04/12/2011 6:09:20 PM PDT by sergeantdave (The democrat party is a seditious organization and must be outlawed)
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To: DesertRhino; Chode; Czar; Squantos; CodeToad
This is not a photoshop. This is General Petreaus in Afghanistan last week, expressing cultural solidarity, or something.

That's our Commanding Buffoon on the left.

He's gone native. (spells it "The Holy Q'uran" now in correspondence. Our troops are so screwed.


8 posted on 04/12/2011 6:09:47 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: sergeantdave
Don't forget this one. Our new policy for female troops in A-stan.


9 posted on 04/12/2011 6:13:06 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Travis McGee

General Betrayus was chosen for a reason.


10 posted on 04/12/2011 6:13:58 PM PDT by B4Ranch (Allowing Islam into America is akin to injecting yourself with AIDS to prove how tolerant you are .)
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie

My thoughts exactly. I never thought I’d ever be saying this, but pull the troops out, and carpet bomb the muzzies next time they put up their heads. We are morally incapable of fighting them effectively in any other way, and our troops shouldn’t be subjected to this reckless disregard for their lives.


11 posted on 04/12/2011 6:19:20 PM PDT by jim35 (Tea Party former Republican)
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To: Travis McGee

No effing way. Is this a joke? Seriously.


12 posted on 04/12/2011 6:20:55 PM PDT by jim35 (Tea Party former Republican)
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To: Travis McGee

Dead men tell no tales... why “capture” them?

Bring our Brave troops home... NOW!


13 posted on 04/12/2011 6:33:19 PM PDT by JDoutrider
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To: Travis McGee

That’s not cool, seeing our women dressed in modified, ass-kissing burkas.

What’s cool is dead enemy by as many numbers as necessary.

semper fi, sailor.


14 posted on 04/12/2011 6:36:37 PM PDT by sergeantdave (The democrat party is a seditious organization and must be outlawed)
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To: JDoutrider

Remember the recently swept-under-the-rug scandal of “rogue” army “killer teams?”

(Remember when our troops were ALWAYS on “killer teams?” When killing the enemy was their job?)

Connect the dots between this “release” policy and soldiers on “midnight mayhem” missions.

A blind man can see what’s going on, with or without a NOD.


15 posted on 04/12/2011 6:37:02 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: sergeantdave

Our troops are not in that business anymore. It’s the New COIN, coined by Petreus. Armed Peace Corps. Hearts and Minds on steroids. Enemy can put down a weapon in a firefight and walk away, we can’t shoot them. WE let them try try again until they kill some of us. That is the Petreaus Plan: to convert them to niceness by our display of niceness. Medals for taking bullets without firing back.


16 posted on 04/12/2011 6:39:26 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Travis McGee

>>This will bring a level of morale as bad as I can imagine.

I am not at all sure this isn’t intentional. It is certainly a top Occam’s Razor explanation.

It is time to get out of Afghanistan. Actually, time was up probably 7-8 years ago. We should have stopped at “punitive expedition” and not gotten into “nation building”.


17 posted on 04/12/2011 6:51:10 PM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: Travis McGee
The officials said ISAF forces can hold detainees for up to 96 hours, during which time detainees are "screened and a decision is made whether to release the individual, transfer them to appropriate Afghan authorities, or to the detention facility in Parwan [at Bagram Air Base]."

What ever happened to "Blindfold, last cigarette, and summary battlefield execution as an Illegal Combatant"?

18 posted on 04/12/2011 7:00:02 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: Travis McGee
I'm sure I'll get a lot of flack for this blanket statement, but I think anyone would have to be certifiably nuts or dumb as a back of rock to put their life in the hands of the U.S. military leadership (all the way up to the White House).

As I get older, I find myself identifying myself more and more with the Nathaniel character from the movie Last of the Mohicans. He was challenged by a British officer about his reluctance to volunteer for a militia to help the British Army fight the French in 1757. The officer asked him: "You call yourself a patriot, and loyal subject to the crown?!"

. . . to which he replied: "I don't call myself subject to much at all."

19 posted on 04/12/2011 7:01:23 PM PDT by Alberta's Child ("If you touch my junk, I'm gonna have you arrested.")
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To: Alberta's Child
Correction: That's "dumb as a bag of rocks" in the first sentence. It's getting late. LOL.
20 posted on 04/12/2011 7:12:18 PM PDT by Alberta's Child ("If you touch my junk, I'm gonna have you arrested.")
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To: Travis McGee

“Enemy can put down a weapon in a firefight and walk away, we can’t shoot them.”

My earliest recollection of combat came from my Uncle Louie who killed a bunch of enemy Japs at New Guinea (sp) in World War II.

To the best of my recollection, he didn’t allow an enemy to set down a weapon and walk away. If he had, I’m sure my cousins would have never been born. And my Uncle Louie could not have relayed his various excursions about New Guinea to me.

My father dropped really big bombs on Nazi heads. He took me to AO Smith when I was a kid and showed me mock-ups of bombs. He was right - those were really big bombs. Most Americans don’t know that manufacturers were very proud of what they did to save America. Many offered weekend tours.

Time to hit the rack. Best wishes to you and yours.


21 posted on 04/12/2011 7:41:47 PM PDT by sergeantdave (The democrat party is a seditious organization and must be outlawed)
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To: Travis McGee

I’d say something, but anyone who has ever read any of my posts on Iraq and F ghanistan already knows what I have to say about this sh!+.

http://www.pfcdavidlawrence.org/


22 posted on 04/12/2011 8:03:32 PM PDT by bigheadfred (Beat me, Bite me...Make Me Write Bad Checks)
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To: Travis McGee

I have a young friend who’s a SEAL; he’s concerned about the ROE and the new regs concerning the SEALs.


23 posted on 04/12/2011 8:08:21 PM PDT by Vor Lady
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To: Travis McGee
(Remember when our troops were ALWAYS on “killer teams?” When killing the enemy was their job?)

Indeed.

Long gone are the days Uncle Sugar would pay us to seek out and kill those communist sons of bit#hes and even make the combat pay tax free!

Now the nation's "leader" is one of them... WTF happened to us?

24 posted on 04/12/2011 8:45:03 PM PDT by JDoutrider
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To: Travis McGee

This is what happens to a politicized army. Having the military subordinate to the civil authority is not the same as what we have today. We have military commanders and troops, subjected to the UCMJ, being told what to do and how to do it by people not subjected to the UCMJ.


25 posted on 04/12/2011 8:48:40 PM PDT by CodeToad (Islam needs to be banned in the US and treated as a criminal enterprise.)
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To: Travis McGee
And this is where my brother-in-law is heading...a truck driver in the land of the IED...great.

The Royal Navy is in a similar boat (no pun intended) concerning the pirates off Somalia.

26 posted on 04/12/2011 8:52:51 PM PDT by Stonewall Jackson (Democrats: "You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy.")
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To: Travis McGee

When we no longer can be the military we must be, that is complete and total disrespect to the troops that serve. When their leaders mimic anyone but America, that is an insult to the Americans. If we ain’t good enough then we should leave.


27 posted on 04/12/2011 8:53:00 PM PDT by CodeToad (Islam needs to be banned in the US and treated as a criminal enterprise.)
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To: Travis McGee

Given that Obama is not willing to do what is right, we need to get the heck ASAP.


28 posted on 04/12/2011 9:27:51 PM PDT by PghBaldy (Like the Ft Hood Killer, James Earl Ray was just stressed when he killed MLK Jr.)
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To: Travis McGee

He’s thinking about his post-retirement stints at various think tanks and institutions. In return they will set him up as some sort of modern day Patton and give him all sorts of accolades. A few decades from now our boys will ride out to do it all again in their Petreus Armored Vehicles.


29 posted on 04/12/2011 9:34:18 PM PDT by Eyes Unclouded ("The word bipartisan means some larger-than-usual deception is being carried out." -George Carlin)
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To: Travis McGee
It's time to pull the plug on this clusterf*ck and bring the troops home. All they are doing now is burning American lives and money, for naught.

There are plenty of real enemies they can fight on this side of the ocean. They won't have to look far. They are all over the place. They can start in a place that begins with "W" and ends in "D.C.".

30 posted on 04/12/2011 9:34:34 PM PDT by Gritty (Washington no longer has a government; rather, it has a gangster regime - Jeffrey Kuhner)
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To: Travis McGee
words fail...
31 posted on 04/12/2011 9:52:48 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Travis McGee

This is willful sacrifice of our people for PC bullshit. We need to leave. These higher ups have absolutely no right to ask the troops to operate this way. This is madness.


32 posted on 04/12/2011 11:01:39 PM PDT by headstamp 2 (We live two lives, the life we learn and the life we live with after that.)
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To: Travis McGee
Obama has American blood on his hands. It is clear where his sympathies lie. He is a traitor of the greatest magnitude. Shame on America for electing this evil man.

Petraeus is a politician but not a general. No general abandons his troops to the mercy of the enemy.

Bring our troops home...TODAY!

33 posted on 04/13/2011 3:59:33 AM PDT by afnamvet (Patriots Rising)
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To: Travis McGee

Is COIN COunter INsurgency? Or something else?


34 posted on 04/13/2011 5:53:35 AM PDT by ConjunctionJunction
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To: ConjunctionJunction

Yes. And the “new COIN” is the ultra-touchy-feely-don’t-shoot-back version espoused by Petreaus. He has stocked his staff with like-minded true-believer yes-men.

If American troops are killed or maimed, well, you can’t make an omelet without breaking a few eggs.


35 posted on 04/13/2011 6:09:18 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Travis McGee

There are things I’d like to say now, but I don’t want to get banned. Let me just say WTF and leave it at that. If we aren’t going to allow our troops to shoot back, then just bring them home.


36 posted on 04/13/2011 6:19:02 AM PDT by ConjunctionJunction
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To: Travis McGee

I am an old Viet Nam guy. I have been following the Afghanistan ROE issues.

The reality is that either we clean up the ROE or we must get out. We must make the choice now. McChrystal was right. Petraeus is wrong. This cannot be allowed to go on. If this takes military disobedience of the POTUS, so be it.

What you are watching, folks, is what is known as a “debacle”.


37 posted on 04/13/2011 6:26:06 AM PDT by Iris7 ("Do not live lies!" ...Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn)
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To: Travis McGee

When my son’s unit had the ROE brief, the Army lawyer sent to talk to them set up scenerios regarding the ROE. By the end of the brief he told them that with their attitude he would be seeing them again because he would be prosecuting them in the future.


38 posted on 04/13/2011 9:07:34 AM PDT by panthermom (Proud Mom of an Infantry Soldier)
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To: panthermom

Incredible. He should document everything. Our military is being wrecked.


39 posted on 04/13/2011 10:27:01 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Iris7

It’s disgraceful that not one single general I can think of has resigned over this and related issues-open gays, women in active combat, women wearing head scarves etc.

At least old COL David Hackworth had the integrity to resign and go public.


40 posted on 04/13/2011 10:31:31 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Travis McGee

Hmmmm seems they might get blowed up real good planting those IED’s..... prisoners of this caliber are not worth having. Put em on their own devices and function as designed is how I would handle such BS ROE’s.....


41 posted on 04/13/2011 3:23:47 PM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But have a plan to kill everyone you meet)
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To: Travis McGee
What is the leader of U.S. combat operations in Afghanistan doing out of uniform? Far worse, what in the hell is he doing dressed up like a raghead?

He should be relieved of his command.

42 posted on 04/14/2011 2:05:46 PM PDT by Czar (NRA Life Member)
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