Skip to comments.Extinguishers banned as a fire safety hazard
Posted on 04/14/2011 10:05:32 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks
Fire extinguishers could be removed from communal areas in flats throughout the country because they are a safety hazard, it has emerged.
The life-saving devices encourage untrained people to fight a fire rather than leave the building, risk assessors in Bournemouth decided.
There are fears that their recommendation, which has seen the extinguishers ripped out of several private, high-rise flats in the town, could set a national precedent.
Under the Fire Safety Order of 2005, fire assessments must be carried out to 'eliminate or reduce risk as is reasonably practical'.
But Mike Edwards, who lives in one of the blocks, said he was 'absolutely staggered' that risk experts thought it a safe decision.
'They are worried we will point them in the wrong direction or use the wrong extinguishers,' he said. 'But if you are trapped in a burning building, you will work out how to use one.'
The 61-year-old claimed his neighbours were now worried sick that a fire could break out.
Dorset Fire and Rescue defended the move, saying: 'Obviously, in some cases, an extinguisher could come in useful but, with new building regulations, every escape route should be completely fireproof.'
The Royal Society for the Prevention of Accidents backed their removal because different extinguishers should be used on different types of fire.
But the Department for Communities and Local Government denied it would see them removed from all flats.
'Fire and safety regulations make clear that appropriate safety equipment must be provided,' said a spokesman.
Independent health and safety consultant Anthony Petitt suggested training people in their use 'otherwise it's just putting people at risk'.
British Nanny State PING!
Of course, we mere mortals could not be expected to use such a complicated machine as a fire extinguisher.
It takes an advanced degree in (choose an appropriate worthless, no brainer lib arts degree) to operate it properly.
Sounds like the Brits think the cannisters would be used in terrorist activity.
Baa! Baa! Baa!
Lee Doren is right, the Onion is not going to be able to stay in business much longer. You can’t make this stuff up fast enough.
When’s the last time someone died because they didn’t know how to use one. Chances are....if you don’t know, you’re going to flee. It’s what we do.
Couldn’t they just register them?
I swear to God I am not getting enough sleep. Why? Because the sheer idiocy coming from the world’s ‘leaders’ is so incredible I don’t want to fall asleep and miss anything so friggin hilarious. Sad, pathetic and ultimately dangerous, but still hilarious in its stupidity.
"Do you know what that fire extinguisher did? It exploded in my face. I mean, what is the point of a fire extinguisher? It sits there for months, and when you actually have a fire - when you actually need the bloody thing - it blows your head off!"
Next it will be a crime if a regular peon citizen tries to use a fire extinguisher to put out a fire, rather than a government union fire fighter.
Just a hop-skip-skip-drag-trip across the street from the Ministry of Silly Walks.
And making matters worse, the most demented have risen to the positions of power.
You know, water drowns thousands of people a year. It is really DANGEROUS!! I wonder if they stop using water to extinguish fires?!
I meant before they became large.
The first and only time I ever used a fire extinguisher it was to put out a small fire in an office building. I figured it out and I believe most folks would.
Thanks for the ping!
“Fire extinguishers could be removed from communal areas in flats throughout the country because they are a safety hazard, it has emerged.”
I have always thought “a flat”, in the everyday language of the U.K., is “an apartment”.
How can one apartment have a “communal” area? Is there some part of an apartment that is open to everyone else?
Maybe the education system in the U.K. is as bad as the education system in the U.S. and what the reporter meant to say was “removed from communal areas of apartment buildings” and not “removed from communal areas in flats”.
Or maybe I am simply wrong about what is and is not private in a flat in the U.K.
But, but, but.....what if there's a fire inside the fireproof escape route?
Every story like this I read, another one of my brain cells goes off and weeps in a corner.
The dysfunctional bureaucratic mindset at work here is that there is more safety in absolute risk aversion than allowing people to have the tools to address a exigent hazard if they choose to do so.
This is only the latest manifestation of of the very same mindset that seeks to entirely ban public ownership firearms and indeed prohibits the use of any weapon in self defense.
Because, you know, why would we want to put out the fire when it’s somebody’s stove on fire, when we could let the entire building burn down. Did these Einsteins stop to think that fleeing might be safer for the INDIVIDUAL than fighting it, but the people on adjacent floors are in much GREATER danger because we let a four-alarm fire develop than they would have been from the small fire? I thought libs were all about the greatest good for the greater number! [facepalm]
When seconds count, the fire department is only minutes away.
Two handed face palm material. The Brits left there with IQ’s over 80 must be drinking heavily or planning to leave.
It doesn’t take an advanced degree. You just have to be a card carrying member of the fire fighter’s union.
Don’t be too hard on them.
America is not far behind.
More and more US companies are instructing employees not to touch the extinguishers and call “trained” emergency responders within the company.
There has been a drumbeat for decades ,centered around “call 9-1-1 “, that emergencies can ONLY be handled by government trained and certified persons,who just happen to be union members.
With residential sprinklers, you’re unlikely to have the fire spread.
True, although it isn’t ideal to try to put out a grease fire with water. Probably work anyway, though, as the grease eventually all burns off and the non-grease stuff it might have ignited is all sodden now.
“ONLY be handled by government trained and certified persons,who just happen to be union members.”
You may have hit on the real reason.
Lord have mercy!
Perhaps a waiting period would suffice.
I’d love to see the return on Monty Python’s Flying Circus.
I don’t know about where you live, but up here in the frozen North, our apartment blocks have these indoor common areas called “HALLWAYS”, and “FRONT ENTRIES”, and “FOYERS”, and “LAUNDRY ROOMS” that all qualify as what the Brit press calls “communal areas”.
I suppose that you’ve never heard of such like...
Or just planning to extinguish an fires on their own without asking permission first.
Flats: Brit apartments. Just like you don’t always say “Apartment BLOCK”, why would a Brit call the same style structure “a group of flats” when referring to something we all are assumed to understand when the adjective “communal area” is added?
We have reached the point where the speed of thought is challenged by the expansion rate of boundless stupidity.
You need to seriously rethink the water idea. That idea is so bad, I sent this link to all of my friends and relatives!!!!
Monty Python was not a comedian, he was a prophet.
Yep. My thought was that if they simply purged the oxygen from the escape routes, it would be much more difficult to have fires in them...(not much for human survival, but...)
“How many large fires have been avoided by the quick use of a nearby extinguisher?”
When my toaster oven burst into flames I used one that had been on the wall for five years. Kept me from having to grab the darn oven and toss it into the sink.
Or just planning to extinguish an fires on their own without asking permission first.
Or, as the great Winston once said, “All we have to fear is fire itself ...”
Bitch, bitch, bitch!
The writer did not refer to “apartment buildings”, or “communal areas in apartment buildings”.
The writer used “flats”, the plural of the singular “flat”. Using the plural does not refer to the “apartment building” but to ALL of “the flats”, individually.
“The flats” do not each have a communal “foyer”, the building they are in may. “The flats” do not each have “common hallways” within them; the building they are in may. “The flats” do not each have a “front entrance” from the street; the building they are in may. Etc., Etc.
Communal areas are WITHIN the apartment building that contains “the flats”, not within “the flats” themselves.
The reporter mis-spoke; likely from a poor education.