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Extinguishers banned as a fire safety hazard
Metro.co.uk ^ | April 14, 2011 | Metro.co.uk

Posted on 04/14/2011 10:05:32 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Fire extinguishers could be removed from communal areas in flats throughout the country because they are a safety hazard, it has emerged.

The life-saving devices encourage untrained people to fight a fire rather than leave the building, risk assessors in Bournemouth decided.

There are fears that their recommendation, which has seen the extinguishers ripped out of several private, high-rise flats in the town, could set a national precedent.

Under the Fire Safety Order of 2005, fire assessments must be carried out to 'eliminate or reduce risk as is reasonably practical'.

But Mike Edwards, who lives in one of the blocks, said he was 'absolutely staggered' that risk experts thought it a safe decision.

'They are worried we will point them in the wrong direction or use the wrong extinguishers,' he said. 'But if you are trapped in a burning building, you will work out how to use one.'

The 61-year-old claimed his neighbours were now worried sick that a fire could break out.

Dorset Fire and Rescue defended the move, saying: 'Obviously, in some cases, an extinguisher could come in useful but, with new building regulations, every escape route should be completely fireproof.'

The Royal Society for the Prevention of Accidents backed their removal because different extinguishers should be used on different types of fire.

But the Department for Communities and Local Government denied it would see them removed from all flats.

'Fire and safety regulations make clear that appropriate safety equipment must be provided,' said a spokesman.

Independent health and safety consultant Anthony Petitt suggested training people in their use – 'otherwise it's just putting people at risk'.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: apartments; ban; bournemouth; evacuation; fire; fireextinguishers; firesafety; nannystate
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1 posted on 04/14/2011 10:05:40 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks
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To: Eric Blair 2084; paltz; SheLion; Gabz; Hank Kerchief; 383rr; libertarian27; traviskicks; ...

British Nanny State PING!


2 posted on 04/14/2011 10:07:20 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Follow me on Twitter @mpetrie98)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Of course, we mere mortals could not be expected to use such a complicated machine as a fire extinguisher.

It takes an advanced degree in (choose an appropriate worthless, no brainer lib arts degree) to operate it properly.


3 posted on 04/14/2011 10:10:07 AM PDT by Da Coyote
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Sounds like the Brits think the cannisters would be used in terrorist activity.


4 posted on 04/14/2011 10:11:53 AM PDT by Zuben Elgenubi
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Absolutely astounding.

Baa! Baa! Baa!


5 posted on 04/14/2011 10:11:57 AM PDT by Jack Hammer
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Lee Doren is right, the Onion is not going to be able to stay in business much longer. You can’t make this stuff up fast enough.


6 posted on 04/14/2011 10:11:57 AM PDT by Clock King (Ellisworth Toohey was right: My head's gonna explode.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

When’s the last time someone died because they didn’t know how to use one. Chances are....if you don’t know, you’re going to flee. It’s what we do.


7 posted on 04/14/2011 10:13:58 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Couldn’t they just register them?


8 posted on 04/14/2011 10:15:14 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

I swear to God I am not getting enough sleep. Why? Because the sheer idiocy coming from the world’s ‘leaders’ is so incredible I don’t want to fall asleep and miss anything so friggin hilarious. Sad, pathetic and ultimately dangerous, but still hilarious in its stupidity.


9 posted on 04/14/2011 10:15:22 AM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

"Do you know what that fire extinguisher did? It exploded in my face. I mean, what is the point of a fire extinguisher? It sits there for months, and when you actually have a fire - when you actually need the bloody thing - it blows your head off!"

10 posted on 04/14/2011 10:15:22 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Next it will be a crime if a regular peon citizen tries to use a fire extinguisher to put out a fire, rather than a government union fire fighter.


11 posted on 04/14/2011 10:19:31 AM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
Will British apartment dwellers have to smuggle them in? "Blimey, that's not a fire extinguisher. It's an urn for my grandpa's ashes."
12 posted on 04/14/2011 10:20:42 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice! Tea Party extremism is a badge of honor.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
The Royal Society for the Prevention of Accidents..

Just a hop-skip-skip-drag-trip across the street from the Ministry of Silly Walks.


13 posted on 04/14/2011 10:21:58 AM PDT by Clock King (Ellisworth Toohey was right: My head's gonna explode.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
The UK has truly and unrecoverably become an Insane Asylum.

And making matters worse, the most demented have risen to the positions of power.

14 posted on 04/14/2011 10:22:52 AM PDT by sjmjax (Politicans are like bananas - they start out green, turn yellow, then rot.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

You know, water drowns thousands of people a year. It is really DANGEROUS!! I wonder if they stop using water to extinguish fires?!


15 posted on 04/14/2011 10:23:54 AM PDT by momtothree
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
How many large fires have been avoided by the quick use of a nearby extinguisher?
Just like in the gun debate, nannynites are so worried about unlikely scenarios that they forget about the much more common beneficial uses.

16 posted on 04/14/2011 10:27:18 AM PDT by BitWielder1 (Corporate Profits are better than Government Waste)
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To: BitWielder1

I meant before they became large.


17 posted on 04/14/2011 10:28:55 AM PDT by BitWielder1 (Corporate Profits are better than Government Waste)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

The first and only time I ever used a fire extinguisher it was to put out a small fire in an office building. I figured it out and I believe most folks would.


18 posted on 04/14/2011 10:30:03 AM PDT by muir_redwoods (Obama. Chauncey Gardiner without the homburg.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Thanks for the ping!


19 posted on 04/14/2011 10:33:05 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

“Fire extinguishers could be removed from communal areas in flats throughout the country because they are a safety hazard, it has emerged.”

Communication alert.

I have always thought “a flat”, in the everyday language of the U.K., is “an apartment”.

How can one apartment have a “communal” area? Is there some part of an apartment that is open to everyone else?

Maybe the education system in the U.K. is as bad as the education system in the U.S. and what the reporter meant to say was “removed from communal areas of apartment buildings” and not “removed from communal areas in flats”.

Or maybe I am simply wrong about what is and is not private in a flat in the U.K.


20 posted on 04/14/2011 10:33:38 AM PDT by Wuli
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
'Obviously, in some cases, an extinguisher could come in useful but, with new building regulations, every escape route should be completely fireproof.'

But, but, but.....what if there's a fire inside the fireproof escape route?

Every story like this I read, another one of my brain cells goes off and weeps in a corner.

21 posted on 04/14/2011 10:33:58 AM PDT by libertarian27 (Ingsoc: Department of Life, Department of Liberty, Department of Happiness)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

The dysfunctional bureaucratic mindset at work here is that there is more safety in absolute risk aversion than allowing people to have the tools to address a exigent hazard if they choose to do so.

This is only the latest manifestation of of the very same mindset that seeks to entirely ban public ownership firearms and indeed prohibits the use of any weapon in self defense.


22 posted on 04/14/2011 10:34:20 AM PDT by theBuckwheat
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Because, you know, why would we want to put out the fire when it’s somebody’s stove on fire, when we could let the entire building burn down. Did these Einsteins stop to think that fleeing might be safer for the INDIVIDUAL than fighting it, but the people on adjacent floors are in much GREATER danger because we let a four-alarm fire develop than they would have been from the small fire? I thought libs were all about the greatest good for the greater number! [facepalm]


23 posted on 04/14/2011 10:36:41 AM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
This might be new in GB, but I remember hearing talk about this back in the late 1980s when I was in college. They were talking about possibly removing fire extinguishers from the dorms for just that reason, as well as the fact that they were occasionally stolen and used in pranks.

Mark

24 posted on 04/14/2011 10:39:18 AM PDT by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

When seconds count, the fire department is only minutes away.


25 posted on 04/14/2011 10:39:44 AM PDT by C210N (0bama, Making the US safe for Global Marxism)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Two handed face palm material. The Brits left there with IQ’s over 80 must be drinking heavily or planning to leave.


26 posted on 04/14/2011 10:43:37 AM PDT by poobear (FACTS - the turd in the punch bowl of liberal thought!)
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To: Da Coyote

It doesn’t take an advanced degree. You just have to be a card carrying member of the fire fighter’s union.


27 posted on 04/14/2011 10:50:46 AM PDT by bolobaby
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Don’t be too hard on them.
America is not far behind.

More and more US companies are instructing employees not to touch the extinguishers and call “trained” emergency responders within the company.


28 posted on 04/14/2011 11:23:35 AM PDT by SJSAMPLE
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
If they are not able to understand the simple 3-step operating instructions on the clearly visible label, I'm not sure I want these people on the streets driving, or even walking on the streets where they may step out into traffic.
29 posted on 04/14/2011 11:24:34 AM PDT by NavyCanDo
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To: NavyCanDo

There has been a drumbeat for decades ,centered around “call 9-1-1 “, that emergencies can ONLY be handled by government trained and certified persons,who just happen to be union members.


30 posted on 04/14/2011 11:31:13 AM PDT by hoosierham (Waddaya mean Freedom isn't free ?;will you take a credit card?)
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To: sjmjax
The UK has truly and unrecoverably become an Insane Asylum.

...and most of their worst ideas take about 5 years to show up here...
31 posted on 04/14/2011 11:43:16 AM PDT by BikerJoe
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To: Still Thinking

With residential sprinklers, you’re unlikely to have the fire spread.


32 posted on 04/14/2011 11:45:41 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Sherman Logan

True, although it isn’t ideal to try to put out a grease fire with water. Probably work anyway, though, as the grease eventually all burns off and the non-grease stuff it might have ignited is all sodden now.


33 posted on 04/14/2011 11:49:11 AM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: hoosierham

“ONLY be handled by government trained and certified persons,who just happen to be union members.”

You may have hit on the real reason.


34 posted on 04/14/2011 11:49:49 AM PDT by NavyCanDo
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
Are these nimrods lighting up potato peels and inhaling the smoke again?

Lord have mercy!

35 posted on 04/14/2011 11:59:58 AM PDT by Cheapskate (Play loud and carry BIG sticks!)
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To: Alamo-Girl

You’re welcome.


36 posted on 04/14/2011 12:03:12 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Follow me on Twitter @mpetrie98)
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To: blueunicorn6

Perhaps a waiting period would suffice.


37 posted on 04/14/2011 12:05:49 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Follow me on Twitter @mpetrie98)
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To: Clock King

I’d love to see the return on Monty Python’s Flying Circus.

Oh... wait...


38 posted on 04/14/2011 12:08:07 PM PDT by Peter W. Kessler (Dirt is for racing... asphalt is for getting there.)
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To: Wuli

I don’t know about where you live, but up here in the frozen North, our apartment blocks have these indoor common areas called “HALLWAYS”, and “FRONT ENTRIES”, and “FOYERS”, and “LAUNDRY ROOMS” that all qualify as what the Brit press calls “communal areas”.

I suppose that you’ve never heard of such like...


39 posted on 04/14/2011 12:18:31 PM PDT by Don W (You can forget what you do for a living when your knees are in the breeze.)
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To: poobear
The Brits left there with IQ’s over 80 must be drinking heavily or planning to leave.

Or just planning to extinguish an fires on their own without asking permission first.

40 posted on 04/14/2011 12:20:41 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: Don W

Flats: Brit apartments. Just like you don’t always say “Apartment BLOCK”, why would a Brit call the same style structure “a group of flats” when referring to something we all are assumed to understand when the adjective “communal area” is added?


41 posted on 04/14/2011 12:21:48 PM PDT by Don W (You can forget what you do for a living when your knees are in the breeze.)
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To: Clock King
Lee Doren is right, the Onion is not going to be able to stay in business much longer. You can’t make this stuff up fast enough.

We have reached the point where the speed of thought is challenged by the expansion rate of boundless stupidity.

42 posted on 04/14/2011 12:23:46 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: Still Thinking
True, although it isn’t ideal to try to put out a grease fire with water. Probably work anyway, though, as the grease eventually all burns off and the non-grease stuff it might have ignited is all sodden now.

You need to seriously rethink the water idea. That idea is so bad, I sent this link to all of my friends and relatives!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZ-G4Fgvbyk&feature=related

43 posted on 04/14/2011 12:25:15 PM PDT by dickmc
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To: Peter W. Kessler

Monty Python was not a comedian, he was a prophet.


44 posted on 04/14/2011 12:25:35 PM PDT by Clock King (Ellisworth Toohey was right: My head's gonna explode.)
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To: libertarian27
Every story like this I read, another one of my brain cells goes off and weeps in a corner.

Yep. My thought was that if they simply purged the oxygen from the escape routes, it would be much more difficult to have fires in them...(not much for human survival, but...)

45 posted on 04/14/2011 12:27:20 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: BitWielder1

“How many large fires have been avoided by the quick use of a nearby extinguisher?”

When my toaster oven burst into flames I used one that had been on the wall for five years. Kept me from having to grab the darn oven and toss it into the sink.


46 posted on 04/14/2011 12:38:12 PM PDT by Rebelbase
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To: Still Thinking; neverdem; SunkenCiv; steelyourfaith
The Brits left there with IQ’s over 80 must be drinking heavily or planning to leave.

Or just planning to extinguish an fires on their own without asking permission first.

Or, as the great Winston once said, “All we have to fear is fire itself ...”

47 posted on 04/14/2011 12:44:16 PM PDT by Robert A. Cook, PE (I can only donate monthly, but socialists' ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: Still Thinking
Well, yes, but in the meantime, there will be 30 foot fireballs. See Mythbusters on grease fires.
48 posted on 04/14/2011 1:05:00 PM PDT by Jagermonster (They will not force us. They will stop degrading us. They will not control us. We will be victorious)
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To: Jagermonster

Bitch, bitch, bitch!


49 posted on 04/14/2011 1:36:22 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: Don W

The writer did not refer to “apartment buildings”, or “communal areas in apartment buildings”.

The writer used “flats”, the plural of the singular “flat”. Using the plural does not refer to the “apartment building” but to ALL of “the flats”, individually.

“The flats” do not each have a communal “foyer”, the building they are in may. “The flats” do not each have “common hallways” within them; the building they are in may. “The flats” do not each have a “front entrance” from the street; the building they are in may. Etc., Etc.

Communal areas are WITHIN the apartment building that contains “the flats”, not within “the flats” themselves.

The reporter mis-spoke; likely from a poor education.


50 posted on 04/14/2011 2:18:44 PM PDT by Wuli
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