Chaos on House floor as Democrats try to unsettle GOP budget

The Hill ^ | 04/15/11 | Pete Kasperowicz

[COgamer]

I disagree. It’s the dems who were tacky here, but the so-called conservatives who only planned to vote for the bill when they believed it would fail. The ones who changed their votes to prevent it passing are the brats here. All talk until something might actually happen, then backpedal as fast as they can.

[mmercier]

I understand the history, and post this with no ire to your person, honor or standing.

The Jewish were in the last run of the extermination process that began with the retarded, senile and other criminal types not deemed responsible enough to kill in a controlled manner.

One major problem the Waffle Scutzstaffen faced was suicide of key personnel... Go figure. It takes some digging, but the documentation is available. The Germans write everything down, (it is a trait) and save it all. The nice ones in Switzerland have documents regarding issues explaining the nazia recruited sociopaths from prisons that were not exterminated in prior operation.

There was a whole process that began decades before in order to establish a civil mechanism to absorb and deny the reality of the so called final solution. These are ugly things, but things that must be understood. The Swiss will toss your account number to the irs before giving the account number of a man who killed thousands in the name of hitler.

[newzjunkey]

Yeah, I don't get that either. I hadn't heard of a "more conservative budget" proposal before. Off the cuff, though, would passing something "more conservative" have been a bad thing?

No because it means the "Ryan budget," condemning us to 30 more years of deficits, becomes "middle ground."

Thanks to this maneuver by the Democrats, the lie has been laid bare and the "Ryan budget" has become the Republican extreme.

This means they shall settle for some substantially weaker, meaning there's no hope of balanced budget again in their lifetimes.

It also means taxes will rise.

[La Enchiladita]

Conservatives need to become more pragmatic, study strategy and tactics and realize this is politics, which is war by other means.

A brief satisfaction followed by a stunning reversal and eventual defeat would invalidate everything we have gained, so far.

That's how I see it. It's tedious hard work vs. momentary drama that accomplishes nothing. Even Tea Party cheeleader Mike Gallagher is calling for the angry right wing to be rational.

[La Enchiladita]

The House can stop this any time it wants. They don’t have to wait for any one else.

It's emblematic of this Tea Party approach to not even try to work with Republican leadership, and focus more on stopping all procedures, all proposed legislation. They are the Caucus of NO. Where will that get us?

[MontaniSemperLiberi]

If our Representatives in the House choose to spend $750B on Defense and the Senate wants to spend $780B on defense, the House hasn’t stopped the Senate from doing anything. They simply have to send the Senate a bill that spends $750B on defense. It would be up to the Senate do decide to accept that or not. If they vote it down then the Senate has decided to stop it. The Senate can’t MAKE the House vote for a $780B defense bill.

It seems like you’re buying into the progressive argument that government perpetuates itself unless the House, Senate, Executive and SC all agree to change it. That’s simply not true. The opposite is true. Government stops unless they all agree. That is how our constitution was written and stands today.

[La Enchiladita]

I know what I think. I don’t need you to tell me what I think; you’re wrong anyway. Because we do not agree does not mean I need a lecture from you. Like it or not, politics is the art of compromise.

[MontaniSemperLiberi]

You’re right it is the art of compromise. However a Party wants to stop something and has 1/2 of 1/3 of the government, under our constitution, it negotiates from a position of strength not weakness.