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Atlas Shrugged The Movie--Time to Expand
A Shrugged Facebook ^ | 4/18/11 | A.S. Part 1

Posted on 04/18/2011 6:46:58 AM PDT by raccoonradio

THANK YOU. After an incredible opening weekend, it would appear it's time to expand. In only 300 theaters, Atlas Shrugged made 1.67 million dollars averaging $5,590 - 3rd only to Rio and Scream 4 in averages. Atlas Shrugged Movie = Free Market Working. Spread the word. This is our moment. Here we come.


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Should give hope to those too far away to see it. Parts 2 and 3 get made only if Pt 1 succeeds despite lib film critics who, as Ebert once put it, "hated, hated, HATED this movie"
1 posted on 04/18/2011 6:47:08 AM PDT by raccoonradio
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To: raccoonradio

Even if it doesn’t make it big (and I think it definitely will,) I think book sales will go through the roof over the discussion it’s started. Even the movie house manager where I saw it said he would be buying/reading it because of this premier and the discussion he’s had with patrons.


2 posted on 04/18/2011 6:54:07 AM PDT by fwdude (The world is sleeping in the dark that the Church just can't fight, 'cause it's asleep in the light.)
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To: raccoonradio

Of course Roger Ebert hated it—he’s a liberal. I won’t slam him, because I think the medical horror he’s enduring puts him off limits.


3 posted on 04/18/2011 6:57:12 AM PDT by American Quilter (DEFUND OBAMACARE.)
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To: raccoonradio

We have plans on Wednesday to drive into our nearest city to see it.


4 posted on 04/18/2011 6:57:53 AM PDT by wintertime
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To: fwdude

The book has moved to #4 on Amazon.


5 posted on 04/18/2011 7:00:48 AM PDT by snowrip (Liberal? You are a socialist idiot with no rational argument.)
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To: wintertime
What would really help is Rush & Sarah saying good things about the movie.

I'm going to see it a few more times over the next week or so. Fortunately, I live in the DFW Metroplex, so there are multiple theatres showing it.

6 posted on 04/18/2011 7:01:48 AM PDT by Night Hides Not (If Dick Cheney = Darth Vader, then Joe Biden = Dark Helmet)
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To: American Quilter
Of course Roger Ebert hated it—he’s a liberal MARXIST! COMMUNIST! .

There! Fixed it. It is time we called these people what they are: MARXISTS! COMMUNISTS!

Yeah! I am shouting.

7 posted on 04/18/2011 7:02:23 AM PDT by wintertime
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To: American Quilter

The same people who feel a sense of horror at the sight of a cross are going to hate Atlas shrugged - not because there is anything Christian about objectivism,

but because the truth offends those who prefer lies.


8 posted on 04/18/2011 7:02:30 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: wintertime

Yep, call ‘em Marxists, and when they complain, ask them to explain the difference between their ideology and that of Marx.


9 posted on 04/18/2011 7:03:17 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: raccoonradio

I look forward to seeing it, but I am currently out of the country. I did forward the trailer and links to everybody in my address book.

Unfortunately, to my total bewilderment, some ‘conservatives’ can’t get past Ayn Rand’s religious to see the value of her indictment of collectivism in the name of fake altruism.

I guess they’d rather fight over perfectionism with libertarians than defeat the collectivists who are disarming our defenses against radical islam.


10 posted on 04/18/2011 7:05:50 AM PDT by TexasGunRunner (Sarah Palin will defeat BHO, and will be one of the best presidents of our lifetime.)
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To: raccoonradio


11 posted on 04/18/2011 7:06:23 AM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet - Visualize)
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To: MrB
...but because the truth offends those who prefer lies.

Yes, that's exactly why a liberal gets angry when you try to have a rational conversation with one. A rational conversation with a liberal is impossible. When a liberal hears the truth she acts like the the wicked Queen in Snow White when the mirror on the wall tells the truth.

12 posted on 04/18/2011 7:13:01 AM PDT by stripes1776
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To: snowrip
The book has moved to #4 on Amazon.

Pretty good for a book that is 50+ years old.

13 posted on 04/18/2011 7:13:56 AM PDT by 6SJ7 (atlasShruggedInd = TRUE)
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To: MrB

But Rand was an avowed atheist, and I’ve never understood why so many so called good “Good Christian Conservatives” seem to admire her

this is what she had to say about religion:

“he good, say the mystics of spirit, is God, a being whose only definition is that he is beyond man’s power to conceive- a definition that invalidates man’s consciousness and nullifies his concepts of existence...Man’s mind, say the mystics of spirit, must be subordinated to the will of God... Man’s standard of value, say the mystics of spirit, is the pleasure of God, whose standards are beyond man’s power of comprehension and must be accepted on faith....The purpose of man’s life...is to become an abject zombie who serves a purpose he does not know, for reasons he is not to question. “

“...if devotion to truth is the hallmark of morality, then there is no greater, nobler, more heroic form of devotion than the act of a man who assumes the responsibility of thinking.... the alleged short-cut to knowledge, which is faith, is only a short-circuit destroying the mind. [Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged]

Playboy: Has no religion, in your estimation, ever offered anything of constructive value to human life?
Ayn Rand: Qua religion, no - in the sense of blind belief, belief unsupported by, or contrary to, the facts of reality and the conclusions of reason. Faith, as such, is extremely detrimental to human life: it is the negation of reason. But you must remember that religion is an early form of philosophy, that the first attempts to explain the universe, to give a coherent frame of reference to man’s life and a code of moral values, were made by religion, before men graduated or developed enough to have philosophy. And, as philosophies, some religions have very valuable moral points. They may have a good influence or proper principles to inculcate, but in a very contradictory context and, on a very - how should I say it? - dangerous or malevolent base: on the ground of faith.”

and then there is what Jesus had to say about people like her who want to “go Galt” Matthew 25:41-46

“Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.
For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink,I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me. They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’ He will reply, ‘I tell you the truth, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’He will reply, ‘I tell you the truth, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’”


14 posted on 04/18/2011 7:15:27 AM PDT by Probonopublico
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To: Probonopublico

How does the last apply to “going Galt”?

My understanding of “Galtism” is that you stop supporting the machine of the moocher class.

I’ve done my best there, spending extra time and money to legally pay as little in taxes as possible,
but I still give to charity beyond the “requirements” of scripture, and I do so with a cheerful heart.


15 posted on 04/18/2011 7:18:29 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: fwdude
As one who is now making movies, here is some "insider info." First, book sales have nothing to do with repaying the investors who made the money. Books ride on the backs of movies, but movie companies are independent and have no claim on book royalties. This is important because it means that while the author of a book (such as I am) benefits from a film, the producers of the film get nothing with each new book sale.

Second, $1.6m would be terrific for my little documentary, but for a major motion picture shot for (they say) $10 million, it's not good. Your first weekend IS the movie. Few movies last past two weeks, and certainly not in 300 theaters. So producers look to make back cost on weekend one, then profit on everything after that. Dropoff for GOOD movies is often more than 50% after the first weekend.

Not saying this is always the case. There are a few films that "build" ("Slumdog Millionaire") and let's hope this is one.

Third, posted costs for movies are almost always lies. If they say it cost $10 million, it probably at least cost $12 million BEFORE "P&A," or the prints and advertising needed to put it in 300 theaters . . . all of which comes OFF THE TOP before the investors get a dime.

I happen to know the distributor of this film who did the deal for the P&A (I do not have the details of the deal), but he's a tough guy and I don't see him cutting the producers any breaks. In other words, I'm betting AS will need to show $15 million minimum before it makes a penny of profit.

Remember "Gettysburg?" Did ok. Then "Gods and Generals?" Total flop. Ever see "The Last Full Measure," the third book in the Shaara trilogy? Nope. "G&G" lost too much money, and even Ted Turner wouldn't put up for a third film. Perhaps the producers have a package deal whereby the $10m covers all episodes of AS (and I don't know if there are two or three planned) but if not, I'd like to see who ponies up another $10m when AS has a hard time repaying the first investors.

This is just to provide a little insight, not to throw cold water on things, but Freepers tend to think that a couple of hundred conservatives in a theater can somehow "make" a movie. Doesn't work that way. We are in the business of making conservative films that MAKE A PROFIT because we can show that our production and message can reach a larger population than only conservatives. We'll see in a few years if we've succeeded.

16 posted on 04/18/2011 7:18:36 AM PDT by LS ("Castles made of sand, fall in the sea . . . eventually." (Hendrix))
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To: stripes1776

My favorite logical conversation stopper is

“what, besides your own opinion, do you base your ideological assertions on?”


17 posted on 04/18/2011 7:19:37 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: LS

Who made the decision to show it in only 300 theatres? Whoever did, the producers were screwed by them.


18 posted on 04/18/2011 7:25:12 AM PDT by Prokopton
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To: raccoonradio

My son and gf drove an hour to see it. They said it was just awful — trite characters, shallow plot, poorly done, a liberal tilt — even the conservative characters were liberal. Do not waste your money.


19 posted on 04/18/2011 7:27:56 AM PDT by bboop (Stealth Tutor)
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To: Prokopton

“Who made the decision to show it in only 300 theatres?”

No large National Distributor would pick it up.
It’s politically incorrect.

Just 3 weeks ago, it was going to be in only 54 theaters. Fan demand caused several more to be added.


20 posted on 04/18/2011 7:29:13 AM PDT by tcrlaf (2012 Slogan: "You'd Have To Be Insane, To Vote For Hussein!")
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To: Probonopublico

This is the same pap you posted in another thread.

Who are you to say who is Christian and who is a conservative?

Do you have a litmus test for Christians? Do you sit in judgment of whether other self-proclaimed Christians have faith enough to meet your needs or not? What are your needs and why do you seek to control others?

The collectivists are destroying America. Obama and his minions are systematically undermining everything good about our country, robbing us of our liberty, and dismantling any defenses we have against radical islam.

On the other side, islamists are inserting radical jihadist who openly intend to behead every Christian, Jew, atheist, agnostic, Hindu, Buddhist, wiccan, shintoist, etc. who refuse to renounce their faith in favor of allah.

Meanwhile, you’re worried about the religious beliefs of somebody who died 30 years ago.

Seriously?!?!?!

Rand’s work celebrate the potential of the individual. They show collectivism and the false altruism of progressive government as the inherent evil they are and promote.

...but you want to condemn her works because you have a disagreement about her personal faith.

Why do you care?

Do you also repudiate any political support from Mormons and Jews?

When you are in the hospital desperately in need of a transfusion, do you stop the doctor to ask if the blood is from a white...er...Christian donor? You wouldn’t want papist or Mormon blood, now would you?

Please, in the name of God, realize we are in a struggle for our country and our liberty, including the right to practice our chosen faith. We don’t need the internecine circular firing squad.


21 posted on 04/18/2011 7:36:50 AM PDT by TexasGunRunner (Sarah Palin will defeat BHO, and will be one of the best presidents of our lifetime.)
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To: LS; snowrip
Just a little critiquing of your critique.

Your typical pattern of opening weekend numbers doesn't necessarily work here. This is one that will have to build. The type of people initially likely to see Atlas Shrugged are those people championed in the film - busy people, earning a living and juggling busy schedules. They aren't your typical liberal hacks with time on their hands and wide open blocks of time to burn trying to decide which next atrocious "blockbuster" they want to see on an opening weekend. As I mentioned in an earlier thread, the theater I attended was sold out, and according the manager, so were the other showings.

As far as book sales, so what if the film doesn't benefit? Those who advocate the lessons of this story don't care how the values depicted are disseminated. This isn't just "entertainment," it's a worldview. The more people exposed to it and awakened to the irrationality, oppression and poverty of the Leftist worldview, the better - and we know that. But if people are buying the book, they will be more likely to want to see the film. This franchise breaks all the usual patterns, I'm happy to say.

22 posted on 04/18/2011 7:38:22 AM PDT by fwdude (The world is sleeping in the dark that the Church just can't fight, 'cause it's asleep in the light.)
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To: fwdude

I’m not hopeful the book sales will help.

Rand’s work is difficult to read. She takes 10 pages to make a story point that could be made in one page. She does not have an easy to read style.

The book is (imho) prophetic in a number of ways. Govt loans that are really a way to take over businesses, the easing of laws for certain industries, crony capitalism, people going off to college and comming back with an impractical “idealistic” worldview, profit being used like a swear word, etc... But getting people to slog through the book could be tough.


23 posted on 04/18/2011 7:40:27 AM PDT by Brookhaven (Moderates = non-thinkers)
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To: LS

I read an interview of the primary investor who had the rights to the film He stated the movie had to gross $100M to break-even because about 50% of gross goes to the theaters/distributors.

There were also several different interviews and articles placing total cost at $12M, $15M, and $20M. I’m inclined to believe the later figure, as the others were from prior to release.

It will be a horrible shame if they don’t make enough to justify making additional films. Many people just don’t take the time to read or can’t get past the first 100 pages.

Even I stopped at 100 pages, then started over again 4 years later.

If a movie has the potential to burn slow, but steady, it might be this movie. Atlas Shrugged has sold millions over the years, but its word of mouth recommendations that keeps it alive. I doubt there was every a blockbuster release for the book.

While the book doesn’t generate money for the movie, it does suggest an deeper interest. If it continues playing in smaller venues late at night for months (like Rocky Horror) to a dedicated following, it might still make it.

Thanks for the info on how it works.


24 posted on 04/18/2011 7:48:17 AM PDT by TexasGunRunner (Sarah Palin will defeat BHO, and will be one of the best presidents of our lifetime.)
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To: Brookhaven
I think you underestimate the ability of good people to tackle the book. I'm not a bookworm by any means, but I did it. Sure, the mind-numbed products of the government education system of the past 40 years won't be able to break the cover, but there is a solid block of readers who still have the necessary ability.

Yes, it was a major flaw in Rand's novel to be so repetitive and not as concise as she could have been; I chalk this flaw up to the fact that English is not her first language and she needed to be absolutely sure she made her points, as painstaking as it was.

25 posted on 04/18/2011 7:48:40 AM PDT by fwdude (The world is sleeping in the dark that the Church just can't fight, 'cause it's asleep in the light.)
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To: raccoonradio
My fiance and I went to it on Saturday night and thoroughly enjoyed it.

Given the massive scope of the book, they did a pretty good job of staying to the storyline.

I would have liked them including more of the dialogue in the Reardon's aniversary party, particularly the drivel by Simon Pritchart, the author Balph whatever and such. It would have increased the understanding of the background.

All in all, we are really looking forward to Parts 2 and 3! It was a very good start to an important message.

26 posted on 04/18/2011 7:50:14 AM PDT by Redleg Duke ("Madison, Wisconsin is 30 square miles surrounded by reality.", L. S. Dryfus)
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To: Probonopublico
You know, I understand that you cannot wait to get to heaven and that is your total focus, but God did give us this earth and he told us to be fruitful and multiply.

The Earth is not just a holding tank on the route to Heaven. If that is how you see it, then you are like the servant that buried his master's money in the ground.

27 posted on 04/18/2011 7:53:22 AM PDT by Redleg Duke ("Madison, Wisconsin is 30 square miles surrounded by reality.", L. S. Dryfus)
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To: LS

Are you saying that a $5,590 per screen average is weak? What would you consider a good per screen average?


28 posted on 04/18/2011 7:56:05 AM PDT by kevao
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To: bboop

Maybe they walked into the wrong theater, go see it yourself, we thought it was great and really hope they make parts 2 and 3.


29 posted on 04/18/2011 8:05:36 AM PDT by east1234 (Cut, Kill, Dig and Drill!)
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To: bboop

I disagree with all of that.


30 posted on 04/18/2011 8:14:55 AM PDT by The Wizard (Madam President is my President now, and in the future)
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To: LS

While it may not be enough, I suspect they will do fairly well in DVD sales. Many of us in smaller communities, miles away from the 300 theatres, will gladly buy, maybe even gift it. It’s a shame it couldn’t get more backing....


31 posted on 04/18/2011 8:27:59 AM PDT by PoplarBluffian
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To: TexasGunRunner

I guess they’d rather fight over perfectionism with libertarians than defeat the collectivists who are disarming our defenses against radical islam.
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There is no doubt that you are correct.

They are the “My Way or the Highway Christians” who, while good-hearted for sure, simply cannot accept the ideas formulated by an atheist like Rand. It’s just not in their DNA. Note that there is an opposing group of “My Way or the Highway Rand Fans” who are on the absolute opposite pole. They see Marxism embedded in Christian beliefs and find that simply unacceptable.

Debate with of these groups is difficult at best. Not as hopeless as debating liberals but it is something like that - very hard to make points.


32 posted on 04/18/2011 8:42:44 AM PDT by InterceptPoint
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To: TexasGunRunner
I agree.

We (a party of 6) saw the movie in Houston on Friday. It was quite thrilling. I will go again next weekend. And the next and the next for as long as it's in the theaters. I waited too long for this moment to not enjoy it every chance I can.

33 posted on 04/18/2011 8:48:00 AM PDT by kathie4guv (Vote Kathie Glass for Texas governor for a secure border.)
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To: TexasGunRunner
I agree.

We (a party of 6) saw the movie in Houston on Friday. It was quite thrilling. I will go again next weekend. And the next and the next for as long as it's in the theaters. I waited too long for this moment to not enjoy it every chance I can.

34 posted on 04/18/2011 8:48:10 AM PDT by kathie4guv (Vote Kathie Glass for Texas governor for a secure border.)
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To: kathie4guv

Wow, I am jealous!! I’m overseas. I hope it is still in theaters by 12 May.


35 posted on 04/18/2011 9:02:48 AM PDT by TexasGunRunner (Sarah Palin will defeat BHO, and will be one of the best presidents of our lifetime.)
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36 posted on 04/18/2011 9:03:53 AM PDT by TheOldLady
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To: raccoonradio

PSA of 5500 is mediocre at best.


37 posted on 04/18/2011 9:07:34 AM PDT by karnage
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To: kevao

For a 300-screen release, $8000 PSA starts to get attention. $10,000 is looking good. Anything above 10K can’t be ignored. $5500 is mediocre.


38 posted on 04/18/2011 9:12:34 AM PDT by karnage
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To: karnage

My ticket was only $7.25. I was expecting to pay $10-11 and would have done so to up the box office receipts for this movie. Ticket prices for other movies were higher. Why would tickets be priced this way? I haven’t been to a movie theatre in years so I don’t know how these things are determined....


39 posted on 04/18/2011 9:16:25 AM PDT by Fu-fu2
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To: karnage

If it is a per screen average, why would the number of screens alter the calculus of what is good or mediocre? Doesn’t an average take into account the number of screens?

How do you know what is mediocre vs to be noted vs not to be ignored?

Does per screen average take into account showings? If it is 300 screens with only 2 showings per night versus 300 screens with 7 showings per night, wouldn’t the fewer showings alter what is mediocre vs notable?


40 posted on 04/18/2011 9:25:36 AM PDT by TexasGunRunner (Sarah Palin will defeat BHO, and will be one of the best presidents of our lifetime.)
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To: Probonopublico
Judges ends with the idea ..”In those days there was no king in Israel, every man did what was right in his own eyes.”
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Man does not learn. As long as man lives doing good and not evil, and wickedness, and worships Jehovah and his son Jesus Christ. Which is not onerous. We are free to do or choose our individual choices.

‘Thou shall have no other gods before me.

Thou shall not make any graven image or likeness of anything that is in heaven above,or in the earth beneath, or in the water under the earth. Thou shall not bow down to them.

Thou shall not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain

Honor thy father and mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the LORD thy God gives thee.

Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy
Do not kill (murder),
Do not steal,
Do not lie.
Do not covet, .... anything that is they neighbors,
Do not bear false witness against his neighbor,
Do not commit adultery,

These are good commands and makes for a civilized, honest, good society and life. For good not for evil.

41 posted on 04/18/2011 9:27:50 AM PDT by geologist (King James Bible only answer to the troubles of this life is Jesus. A decision we all must make.)
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To: Fu-fu2
Why would tickets be priced this way?

Well, the theater can probably afford to show that movie cheaper than the others. The won't have to pay for security to deal with fist fights or people sneaking in, and they won't need a pressure washer and a bobcat to clean up afterward.

42 posted on 04/18/2011 9:29:17 AM PDT by tacticalogic
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To: Brookhaven
Rand’s work is difficult to read. She takes 10 pages to make a story point that could be made in one page.

If it's that easy, why don't you write a book. Cover the same themes, make it entertaining, and simplify it enough so the masses can enjoy it too...

43 posted on 04/18/2011 9:32:22 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (explosive bolts, ten thousand volts at a million miles an hour)
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To: tacticalogic

Bwahahahahaha...that’s a riot...er...in this case the lack of one!


44 posted on 04/18/2011 9:33:06 AM PDT by TexasGunRunner (Sarah Palin will defeat BHO, and will be one of the best presidents of our lifetime.)
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To: tacticalogic

You might be right! The theatre was very clean, no popcorn and sticky stuff on the floor. And a very polite audience, no screen talkers or crying babies....a very pleasant experience!


45 posted on 04/18/2011 9:38:35 AM PDT by Fu-fu2
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To: Dead Corpse

If it’s that easy, why don’t you write a book. Cover the same themes, make it entertaining, and simplify it enough so the masses can enjoy it too...


In the same class of statement as “if we can put a man on the moon, why can’t we...” Pretty much pointless.

I’ve said in the past that the points she makes in the book are almost prophetic. Certainly her insight is pretty deep. But the fact is her writing style hard to read. It just is what it is.

Recently I downloaded some short stories in epub format from a site that has areas for new and little know authors. I didn’t really look at the author’s names, but just read the some that had descriptions that looked interesting. After I finished one, I thought “that was a great read.” It was so well written that I forget I was even reading. Turned out it was an old short story by Frank Herbert (author of Dune).

I’ve read Dune several times, just for the fun of reading. It deals with complex ideas, yet (imho) it doesn’t bog down and is an entertaining read.

Atlas Shrugged (imho) is a hard read. I’m not critisizing the ideas found in the book, but the writing itself is hard to handle. That’s just (again imho) just the way it is.


46 posted on 04/18/2011 10:21:59 AM PDT by Brookhaven (Moderates = non-thinkers)
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To: tcrlaf
Just 3 weeks ago, it was going to be in only 54 theaters. Fan demand caused several more to be added.

An article in the LA Times stated the movie will be screened in 1000 theatres this coming weekend.

Judging by the theatre list on the website, it's looking better day by day.

47 posted on 04/18/2011 10:29:57 AM PDT by Night Hides Not (If Dick Cheney = Darth Vader, then Joe Biden = Dark Helmet)
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To: bboop

I saw it first showing (admittedly bargain matinee, $6) and loved it. Would have paid full price. Will buy DVD.


48 posted on 04/18/2011 10:30:14 AM PDT by raccoonradio (..)
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To: karnage

LMAO. If a per-screen average of under $10,000 for a 300-screen release is bad, then by your definition, the film “RIO” must a dismal failure: 3,826 screens and a PSA of only $3,248.

Check the numbers for yourself:

http://www.the-numbers.com/charts/today.php

“Atlas Shrugged’s” PSA ($1,428) is 44% of “RIO’s” and it’s number of screens is only about 10% of “RIO’s”.

That tells me that had AS been shown on 3,800 screens this weekend, it would have easily been #1.


49 posted on 04/18/2011 10:34:35 AM PDT by kevao
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To: Probonopublico

thot you might find this interesting...

Piper on Rand:
http://www.desiringgod.org/resource-library/articles/the-ethics-of-ayn-rand


50 posted on 04/18/2011 10:41:23 AM PDT by jonno (Having an opinion is not the same as having the answer...)
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