Germany to Hungary: New constitution breaches EU values (Bans Abortion, Protects Marriage)

euobserver.com ^ | 04/19/2011 | Leigh Phillips

[Cronos]

Some ideas of the EU are good -- there are a lot of border regions that have a mix of populations, dating back to the times when there were no nation states.

for example, the Basques and Catalonians are across France and Spain, the people in Brittany speak a Celtic language related to Welsh, the people of Alsace and Lorraine are frenchified Allemagnais Germanics, the Polabians are Germanised Slavs, the Balkans are filled with mixed ethnicities etc.

And the EU has enabled entities that cross borders like in South Tyrol -- diffusing a lot of tensions.

Also the chances of a European war are also dissipated by the EU.

However I agree that that is where the EU should end. No president of the EU.

Instead of this, the EU should be replaced with Christendom.

pnh - read my post above that there is no procedure to leave. Remember that the Eastern Europeans also got a lot of money from Germany etc. to build their infrastructure. And they have a lot of investment from Germany.

[Cronos]

Altogether it seems more like a “national accounting” change with not much really changing in what will go into the accounts, but the “national deficit” image is altered, for the benefit of the international financiers, by the inclusion of the “private pension” account balances back on the “reserves” side of the national government’s ledger

Thank you for that analysis, Wuli. The problem facing countries like Ireland and Portugal is also due to lack of investor confidence. Essentially if people want more interest for buying govt bonds, the countries rate of interest goes up, bankrupting it. It seems that the Hungarians used this slight of hand, to change the financing so that it looks like they have less debt or more assets, thereby preventing investment banking computers/analysts from downgrading their value and preventing bankruptcy.

[Cronos]

The press freedom is a hoax. What the Hungarian govt wanted (and I have it straight from local Hungarians) is to stop the press from consistently putting fear into people, from sensationalising news). The law says that a regulatory panel appointed by Parliament is empowered to monitor newspapers, television broadcasts and other media and to impose fines on journalists and news outlets for "unbalanced" or "offensive" reporting. -- how many times have we seen media "talk up" a riot or something? I've seen cases where media show a guy tossing a brick into a car window in a continuous loop and talk about riots when there were none. And that's just a case in point.

[cartan]

Sure, I don’t like the media myself. Sometimes, the constant commie propaganda is so insufferable that I can only watch soccer on tv and listen to the classical music radio stations (and turn them off during the hourly news).

The point is not that the media isn’t bad, the point is that a government agency that can decide what is “unbalanced” or “offensive” would be even worse. I know exactly what kind of stuff any agency set up by Merkel (or Obama) would find offensive. Even if the Hungarian agency will do things well during the first couple years—what happens when they lose an election and the socialists take over the government, and that agency? No thanks.

[dangus]

Poland is very deeply religious, and that religion, of course, is Catholic. But I am unaware of any Constitutional recognition of Christianity. But then what do I know about the Polish Constitution? (Hint: “Fried Potato Ravioli? Ew!”)

Spain sure as Hell isn’t Catholic, although I am hopeful that the Ents are emerging from their slumber.

[mas cerveza por favor]

The press freedom is a hoax.

Right. Media ownership is reserved to a tightly-knit cartel of globalists. However, any government monitoring office will be targeted for bribery, blackmail, and infiltration by the globalists.

[Impy]

This thread is from April. I missed hearing about this until recently. Very interesting. Needless to say the EU has been up in arms ever since.