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Florida murders: Britons 'forced at gunpoint to go to run-down housing estate'
daily mail ^ | 4-22-2011 | james cooper

Posted on 04/22/2011 7:21:12 PM PDT by Stayfrosty

Police investigating the murder of two British tourists in Florida believe they were ordered at gunpoint into a run-down housing estate where they were robbed before being shot dead.

(Excerpt) Read more at telegraph.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Front Page News; US: Florida; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: blackcrime; blacks; florida; ghetto; holderspeople; unitedkingdom; usanextafrica; violence
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To: Farmer Dean

We shoot woodchucks at 400 yards,larger varmints at that distance would be so easy..


Yep, and no harder to do than killing a rattle snake. And you don’t have to see the mess at that distance.


41 posted on 04/22/2011 10:46:38 PM PDT by unkus
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To: shadowcat

Where’s the “Dats wasist” kid?

That’s disgusting. You were smart to leave. I’d have honked the horn to get their attention and then flipped them off.


42 posted on 04/22/2011 10:52:40 PM PDT by unkus
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To: Georgia Girl 2

Yeh pretty much we are always armed at night in our house and in our yard.


Stay safe.


43 posted on 04/22/2011 10:53:39 PM PDT by unkus
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To: Guenevere
..why didn't these guys have a ride....especially with relatives close by?....Longboat Key is not within easy walking distance to Sarasota......but it's not that far either.


Because the Brits are used to walking. It was only a 20 minute walk or so to the IHOP I gather, no problem for two fit (but somewhat drunk?) young guys.

A taxi would have been much better...

44 posted on 04/22/2011 10:58:19 PM PDT by az_gila
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To: Stayfrosty

A while back I was following the Jack Wheeler murder. Frequent descriptions to explain his disappearance and subsequent murder were always along the lines of ‘wandered into a known high-crime area’

Haven’t we had enough of ‘known high-crime areas’? How many billions have we taxpayers poured into ‘projects’ and ‘urban housing’ (and its public-assistance inhabitants), only to have created areas where citizens fear to tread. Is it any different, say, than the islamic takeover of sections of French cities where French police dare not enter? Or the takeover of entire regions in Somalia and sudan by genocide? Why do we let this go on?

Warehousing citizens in ‘urban projects’ is an abysmal failure. Either we occupy these sections (and I do mean occupy, as in military) or we pull them down but we can’t continue to ignore the problem and expect the problem to fix itself.


45 posted on 04/22/2011 11:24:30 PM PDT by blueplum
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To: unkus

“This will not end well for the black Democrats!

Things like this haven’t phased them in the past. Why now?”

They have used up, the race card is why!


46 posted on 04/22/2011 11:33:12 PM PDT by Cheetahcat ( November 4 2008 ,A date which will live in Infamy.)
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To: Stayfrosty; Travis McGee

No worries average cracker today won’t bust a grape on a black thug and they know it

Most hipster class white boys today would hand up their little sister before their I-Pod


49 posted on 04/23/2011 12:53:03 AM PDT by wardaddy (ok...Trump beating on Obama---Sarah----Michelle.....any of them are ok for now---tain't picky)
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To: unkus

Indeed.Superior marksmanship has many benefits.


50 posted on 04/23/2011 3:15:15 AM PDT by Farmer Dean (stop worrying about what they want to do to you,start thinking about what you want to do to them)
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To: Stayfrosty

Don’t ever go to the secondary crime scene. Make them hurt you in public and your chances of survival rise many fold.


51 posted on 04/23/2011 6:22:14 AM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: Stayfrosty

I don’t think it is a race thing, other than the fact that blacks are disproportionately impacted by the government’s/liberal’s war on the family.

You should see what black on black crime looks like. Actually, you’d not notice because there’s so much of it not a tenth of it gets reported.


52 posted on 04/23/2011 6:24:17 AM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: Gena Bukin

Spot on. The entire decision to live a life of crime is botched.

Like if criminals were so brilliant they’d be what? Honest.


53 posted on 04/23/2011 6:25:44 AM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: 1010RD

“Like if criminals were so brilliant they’d be what? Honest.”
/////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////

Members of congress?


54 posted on 04/23/2011 7:21:45 AM PDT by RipSawyer (Trying to reason with a liberal is like teaching algebra to a tomcat.)
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To: Farmer Dean

I’ve got the “itch”. There are a lot of people with the itch. Enough said.


55 posted on 04/23/2011 8:47:24 AM PDT by unkus
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To: Stayfrosty

I don’t think it’s black and white, so much as savage vs decent folk.

Go to Los Angeles, and you’ll find hispanic characters in the same mold as these. Go to Minnisota/Wisconsin, and they’re Vietnamese. Go to Chinatown, and their Chinese. Go to Washington state, and they’re rail-thin White Tweakers.

I find more and more, that every time I post here, I’m couching things in evolutionary circumstances, but again, I see it here. We evolved as a species to exist in groups of Competiting Warriors, who were free to cull those who were problematic, absent teh whining of some effete Liberal wimp.

The Liberal reviles that concept because they revile Darwin, and as they continue to try and create a uniform, non-competitive utopia, they create unnatural circumstances where government (tax-payer stolen) money flows into these areas, and keeps these savages with free time, instead of working to put food in their mouths. Then they create circumstances where everyone is supposed to be disarmed, so we are all good little uncompetitive automatons there. Then they complain if we imprison a savage for too long, or if LE pursues his imprisonment too aggressively, because it’s not fair to the savage. Even Cops must have their hands tied, lest they prove too competitive with the Criminal class.

100 years ago, some Man in the town would have dropped these gang bangers with an SAA long beofre they killed someone, and the Sheriff would have judged it warranted under the legal auspices of “They had it comin’.”

I’m not saying we need to go back to that, but clearly we would benefit from less welfare to these areas, more powers to LE to deal with these types of creeps, less Liberal interference in the Criminal Justice system, and free, open or concealed carry, absent any licensing system, for everyone - out of towners included. Cops should also have more personal discretion in law application. If we trust them with a gun and badge, we should trust their judgement to deal with problem offenders.

This is a Liberal problem far more than it is a race/color problem. Liberals want to change Darwin’s rules, and impose an unnatural state of affairs upon our species, and it just doesn’t work. Here, it offers the savage advantages they would never have otherwise, and as a result, good people die.


56 posted on 04/23/2011 9:06:03 AM PDT by AnonymousConservative (www.AnonymousConservative.com - see the evolutionary origin of Liberalism and its purpose in nature)
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To: doc1019
>Once out of the ghetto, the thought patterns might change
>when confronted my hunters and gun owners that acutely
>know how to shoot

One interesting fact I picked up way back. An LE organization (I can't remember which one, but FBI feels right) surveyed crooks who shot cops. Turns out many of them, when they get a gun, want to shoot it, and will procure ammo and find an isolated area to shoot.

Many turned out to be better shots than the average LE officer was back then. Not that a practiced law abiding shooter wouldn't have an advantage, but the crook could be more formidable than you'd think such a moron would be.

57 posted on 04/23/2011 9:19:47 AM PDT by AnonymousConservative (www.AnonymousConservative.com - see the evolutionary origin of Liberalism and its purpose in nature)
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To: sinsofsolarempirefan
Warehousing them is the best solution. They have to live somewhere (unless you are looking for some kind of ‘final solution’ to the problem) and it is better that they live amongst themselves than spread out amongst everybody else....

The problem is that the known high-crime areas were easy for potential victims to avoid, so the Feds started the Section 8 Housing voucher program, with rental vouchers that could be used in any number of privately owned apartment or rental homes, right next to citizens who are paying their own rent.

There are still "bad areas" to avoid, but more and more of this crime is seeping out into formerly nice suburbs.

58 posted on 04/23/2011 9:36:53 AM PDT by Trailerpark Badass (I'm sick of damn idiots)
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To: 1010RD; Travis McGee; Squantos; Pelham
I don’t think it is a race thing

I can tell you from a lifetime of always living in areas that are from 25% to 99.5% black that it is most definitely a RACE THING. I have listened literally to decades from the early 80s when I was mid 20s and this sort of group think really took off in the black community instigated by academia and revisionism that whites owed them, westerners were the bogeyman of all culture historically and that violence against us was appropriate and that our women...especially blonde were sacrificial fruit to be coveted. I have listened to precisely those sort of diatribes with my own ears many times. And yes I have fought against it...with all I have. If I had not I would not be sitting here typing today. Blaming the cultural disintegration and poor behavior of a group simply on poor government policies is a cop out and gives them a pass for their own destructiveness. It's the soft bigotry of low expectations.

That said, I can't blame a black thug for thinking your average white boy is a wuss today...they are. The ones who aren't are rare or overseas doing the bulk of the fighting.

Mississippi, NYC, Miami, Haiti, Brasil, Sierra Leone, Jamaica, Coastal Colombia. Now I live in rural middle Tennessee and am spared all of that. But whites here with zero experience for the most part are very very naive unless they are old school and native and venture into Nashville's less desirable areas.

If it makes you feel any better, it was not not like this in my youth that bad old days of white oppression and all. Black culture was still problematic but acting out a hatred for whites was very rare..only in black panther rhetoric. I was partly raised by loving black women and was around scores in our family employ and enjoyed them and felt very welcomed and secure with them. When I meet a younger black man or woman today with whom I feel that connection it's more rare than common and my wife and I often lament the dearth of that.

There is a resentment towards whites from blacks all over the world ...some worse...some better. It's just how it is. Liberals would say "can you blame them?"...I'd say "hell yes"

black on black crime is not reported so much mainly because the media loathes making blacks look bad , hell they even refuse to call black crime or illegitimacy the huge problems they are.

What they do love more than anything to report of white on black crime..rare as it is..it fits their template.

59 posted on 04/23/2011 9:51:46 AM PDT by wardaddy (ok...Trump beating on Obama---Sarah----Michelle.....any of them are ok for now---tain't picky)
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To: Georgia Girl 2

“Yeh pretty much we are always armed at night in our house and in our yard.”

Wow, that’s no way to have to live your life. You should think about moving to lilly-white central or northern New England. We don’t even have to lock our doors at night and peoples’ lives revolve around their kid’s school and sports.


60 posted on 04/23/2011 11:01:08 AM PDT by balls (0 lies like a Muslim (Google "taqiyya"))
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